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Are you over the Daybreak Game Company layoffs shock yet? Nope, neither am I. But my shock is compounded by dread over the fate of the studio's games. While Daybreak has reassured players that it's still got teams working on most of its MMOs (and I myself argued yesterday that most of the games are probably safe), some of the studio's titles seem more vulnerable than others, especially given last year's infamous purge. Of course, getting H1Z1, PlanetSide 2, and Landmark players to agree on who's in the most trouble is a daunting task. Let's put it to a vote in our shiny new poll: Which Daybreak title's future seems the most in jeopardy to you?

Which Daybreak MMO seems most vulnerable?

  • DC Universe Online (4%, 47 Votes)
  • Dragon's Prophet (46%, 490 Votes)
  • EverQuest (8%, 81 Votes)
  • EverQuest II (4%, 41 Votes)
  • EverQuest Next (19%, 208 Votes)
  • H1Z1 (5%, 58 Votes)
  • Landmark (8%, 91 Votes)
  • PlanetSide 2 (5%, 58 Votes)

Total Voters: 1,074

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LoremIpsum
LoremIpsum

DCUO seems to be their money maker, so I assume that'll be left alone. For the others..


Dragon's Prophet - I've played it, hated it. I remember seeing the unveil at an SOE live and commenting on how bad it probably was going to be. As someone said below, though, the game didn't belong to SOE. It'll probably be sold back to Runewalker, or picked up by someone else.


EverQuest: Loved it, in 1999-2001. It was what brought my family into video gaming. We spent incredible amounts of time here, but we eventually moved on to bigger and better as most people did. I'm not sure keeping this around just because it was really influential in the gaming industry in the day is a smart move, though. I predict this will sunset.


EQ2: I love this game. I've played in since release, off and on. I'm absolutely heartbroken to say that after 10 years, my guild of 200 people came to be a handful logging in day after day. Poor management working with a skeleton crew (talented and passionate, but not enough people) made worse by the layoffs. I predict this will be sunset, too.


EQN: When more details of this game were given two years ago at SOE Live, I polled the guildies that were there on if they thought it'd be good. They all said the same thing: the graphics are super disappointing, but combat is intriguing. Combat came to Landmark (they said that Landmark was a testing bed for Next) and we were all disappointed. I predict this will be dead in the water, or after many years of near radio silence on the game, it will flop shortly after launch.


H1Z1: People seem to like this game, but the market is flooded with zombie titles right now. Despite this, I think this will stay for now.


Landmark: The general discussion forum are filled with players bored to tears, me being one of them. You just can't get into the game as a new player, or someone who's not very skilled in "voxelmancy". This is Minecraft on crack, and it took away what makes Minecraft great: anyone with time and a vision can make anything from simple blocks. Landmark is way too complicated and does not accommodate new players, causing people to leave in droves. Seriously, log onto any server and see how many people you can find. Very few. I predict this will not launch. I hope this will not launch.


PS2: I liked this game a lot, but they've just lost their creative director. With some quick staff hires they might keep this going. I predict this game will stay afloat.


7BitBrian
7BitBrian

EQ2 and DCUO showing the lowest votes.


And you know what this makes sense. They're the most stable games atm and are pulling in the regular influx of cash for the company.

Ekphrasis
Ekphrasis

Vulnerable to closure? Not sure.

Vulnerable to significant changes? EQN and Landmark.

With the recent and noteworthy departures from Daybreak combined with the fact that both of these titles aren't complete and launched, I'm conscious that there could be sweeping changes before we see them.

I'd hazard a guess and say focus will shift to developing EQN primarily with Landmark incorporated into it but with features trimmed down / out. Private Equity will want to see quicker returns. That might mean that aspirational / effort intensive / innovative features get dropped to move the product or the door and generating revenue. Our i could be completely wrong. Time will tell.

cald
cald

Dragons prophet possibly but its not really one of their games they just publish it so I dont think they spend much on it.

I dont think they will drop any of their own games and I think both Landmark and EQN will do just fine.

Sinaptic
Sinaptic

The faster smed is out of the industry the better.

mmofan
mmofan

EQ1 has been such a successful game for them.  Over 15 years and still going.  How about finally giving us a sequel to EQ1?  I guess they don't like success.

Nucleon
Nucleon

If I was DBG, I'd cancel Dragon's Prophet. Next for EQ, in order to not piss off some people that are in your core audience I'd open source the code for EQ but then shut it down within the year. Then I'd switch EQ2 into maintenance mode, moving their personnel into EQN. 

Nate Woodard
Nate Woodard

I realize that Dragon's Prophet seems to be the most likely choice.  However, if I'm to look at everything I know of the Group Formerly Known As SOE, I'm saying to myself.. with the mass exodus of all the people working on EQ the next project to get axed will be EQ related.  I would hope that one of the older titles will get it, but from my standpoint, I don't think they even have the capital to develop the new title at the moment.  We'll see.  I hope everything works out for them in the long run.

Rebel Engie
Rebel Engie

Smedley is not an option to be selected?

I know he is not technically an MMO, but more people seem to be subbed to his Twitter than all players of SOE games combined.

Golden_Girl
Golden_Girl

@Rebel Engie It's the Brad McQuaid factor - lots of people are interested to see just what bit of stupidity will come out of his mouth next :-p

Rebel Engie
Rebel Engie

Dragon Prophet has not received the attention it needed (like Vanguard back in the days).

Half the customer base are turned off it because of blatant technical issues, like random crashes that never been fixed. Then the posted "workarounds" that involve installing obsolete platform software to make it work...  (by fans, not even by tech support, mind you)

Mismanagement at its finest.

Golden_Girl
Golden_Girl

@Rebel Engie "Mismanagement at its finest."

That should be They Break Games' company slogan :-p

Nanulak
Nanulak

EQN and Landmark in my mind will be looking at sever cost cutting and realignment.  EQN is headed down the wrong path.  People are not looking for super hero's with super powers in the EQ world.  In my opinion they want the EQ world with he new features that EQL was developing like a build-able world but with more traditional characters and classes.


Landmark in my opinion is a corporate masterpiece.  We will get the community to help us build EQN and make them pay for the privilege of doing it.  They will be our long term bug testers, our art department (we own it all via copyright.  And in the long term it actually worked better than anyone expected as the community discovered techniques and "features" that we did not intend or plan on, but now will be features. 

I actually see the landmark model getting used again in the gaming community as it was a great time and money saver for the developing company.

Jarin
Jarin

@Nanulak Lots of early access games doing similar, with several I'm following just wholesale incorporating mods into the base game. Some even getting the modders themselves to work as volunteer coders. Great deal for the devs, but it always rubbed me a bit wrong.

thatchefdude
thatchefdude

I went from 95% hype to about 10% for EQN after this Daybreak takeover....


I am absolutely gutted that what is IMO the grandaddy of MMOs (Everquest), which looked to really be shaking things up big now looks to be suffering big time....


I'm really pissed, the only thing on the horizon that interests me now is the expacs for XIV and GW2

Rheem Octuris
Rheem Octuris

The thing is Daybreak doesn't actually develop Dragon's Prophet, just publishes it. So while they may cut the game loose from their repertoire, it would continue to exist as an independent MMO or be picked up by another publisher.


For those who don't know Dragon's Prophet was made by Runewaker Entertainment, a company out of Taiwan. They are also responsible for Runes of Magic.

tobascodagama
tobascodagama

Maybe it's just me, but EQN was already smelling a bit like vapourwear... I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped it and launched Landmark as a full sandbox MMO in its place.

devin007
devin007

haha Dragon's prophet by a landslide. That game is bad. I just hope EverQuest Next is still on track

karmamule
karmamule

I tried Dragon's Prophet twice and it was painfully bad.  I wouldn't shed a tear if that went away, other than out of sympathy for any people staffing it.


I'm most worried about EQN going away because I really liked the ambitious vision it had. My other worry is that in order to get it to the point where it makes them some money they'll forego some of that ambition and revert to something mundane and characterized more by monetization than innovation.

ManastuUtakata
ManastuUtakata

(Off topic/meta)

Nice, I only get to vote only once to see the results this time! Thank you! <3

Walpurgisnacht
Walpurgisnacht

I've never heard of Dragon's Prophet but I know 100% that it will be shutdown.

Nate Woodard
Nate Woodard

@Walpurgisnacht Runes of Magic, considerably worse than Dragons Prophet, is still running right now.  The sad truth is, some company will buy Dragon's Prophet up [if] Daybreak decides to drop it.


The Daybreak title does not fit the former SOE.  I'm pretty sure I'm just gonna call them The Group Formerly Known As SOE.  It rolls of the tongue just as easy.

salidar
salidar

Bunch of "The end is nigh!" type peeps in this comment stream. Seriously tired of all the apocalyptic "Every game is going to close" BS I see from some certain people here, who take it upon themselves to post, repeatedly, trying to shout down any suggestions anyone else makes.


I voted Dragon's Prophet only because there was no option for None of the above. Because that is what I think. None of the above. I think Columbus Nova knew exactly what they were getting, and what they were getting into. They are also not newcomers to investing in gaming. I think any company that can generate 2 Billion in assets knows how to forecast for the future, and knows how to keep revenue generating products going. I expect a rocky road ahead as we all get through this transition, but I don't expect any games to close, certainly not the franchise line, their only licensed product or one of their two niche role MMOs. They might, and I stress might, drop DP but I wouldn't even lay good money on that.

Nordavind
Nordavind

If Daybreak follows the same trend as SOE, the game which are threatened are the ones where the CR/CM stops posting/answering in the forums. It was a certain sign of death a few months down the road for any SOE game.

I0Shift0I
I0Shift0I

Before you all shitcan Dragons Prophet, give it a try over a weekend. Try to give it 8-12 hours playtime and you might be surprisingly addicted to it. I still play it from time to time but I will however say it's the WORST game I have ever enjoyed.

danhogarth
danhogarth

My greatest worry is not that an Mmo I'm looking forward to doesn't get made, its that they take it and console-ify it for bonus cash generation. EQ Next on PS4? That is my fear. I hope it's a stupid worry and that I'm wrong!

Reihen
Reihen

With the high costs involved of acquiring and implementing new technology (Storybricks, Voxelfarm, soEmote, etc) and paying a leading development team (Dave Georgeson's A+ Team) to focus on innovation and unproven technology in the MMO segment, EQN is  currently 100% loss with zero income for the moment.

I fear for the future of EQN but I hope that a title like Dragon's Prophet will see the axe long before anything from EQ does.

EO_Lonegun
EO_Lonegun

I think all the games are vulnerable. All the news about DGC is negative. DGC hasn't done anything since it's the acquisition to help their public image or the games under their control.

Faction 3
Faction 3

DCUO & EQ anything are pretty safe.


* EQ has that lineage of MMO royalty, where even the name just says "Profit".


* DCUO has the financial success, and most importantly, the DC license. Which comes with the ability to tie in any DC movie that drops, like they did with the Green Lantern (although the movie sucked major ass). And that means "straight-cash homie"..

Faction 3
Faction 3

@Hurbster

I forgot about this as well. DCUO is the only game in the current portfolio with Cross-Platform gameplay. At least that I know of...



A Dad Supreme
A Dad Supreme

@Faction 3  Agreed. Pretty sure DCUO is the safest of the lot.

It probably pulls in more income than EQ1 and EQ2 combined.

I'm not sure about EQ2's spot though. It seems the shakiest of the lot. EQ1 is the 'flagship', so I doubt that's going. Given they have EQN still coming (according to them), I could see them shutting 2 down and keeping the original and the latest release.

We all know the middle child gets ignored. :P

syberghost
syberghost

@Faction 3 @Hurbster PlanetSide 2 is currently beta testing on PS4. That's an important port, because the engine is used in EQN, Landmark, and H1Z1, and will be used in other projects. The first port opens up a lot of doors for the future.

cald
cald

@A Dad Supreme @Faction 3 I will have to have a look around for an article i read recently.. it basically said EQ2 was still one of the most profitable titles for SOE due to all the micro transactions and stuff that still take place. If I get time to look for the article I will link it.

BryanCole
BryanCole

Dragons Prophet. At this point I would rather it get axed before the others and probably should be axed even if this whole takeover hadn't even happened, lol

McSleaz
McSleaz

Dragon's prophet is easily the crappiest game on the list, and h1z1 is just another crappy wannabe dayz clone. The everquest series and dcuo is where all their money comes from, so those games are safe.

PaganRites
PaganRites

I disagree on H1Z1. H1Z1 is beyond DayZ development wise, and offers more features. As a day 1 DayZ player I haven't gone back since H1Z1 went early access. It has a steady population and more features. No reason to.

I think H1Z1 will be a core game for Daybreak.

Koolthulu
Koolthulu

I think anything not EQ related is probably in trouble, with Dragon's Prophet going first. Although I'm worried that EQN will be scrapped with any current work being merged into Landmark.

Satyros
Satyros

Firms love stable cash-cows and shiny dollars. Games like WoW.
They loathe investing said dollars to never-before-done experiments that inspire people.
Which is why we have 100 wow clones and just a couple of fresh ideas (and those are indie).

Landmark is safe because it has its audience. Tweak it a bit, make them pay to use certain matterials/tools and you have a steady revenue.
EQ1 and 2 have their niche audiences too. Their population is stable and they make money with minimal cost/risk.
H1Z1 will be their focus. I bet air-drops will be the least troublesome feature of that game in the future.

Their next step after the assurances help settle the dust would probably be to start quietly moving the team from EQN to Landmark.
If we see no EQN updates in the next month, we'll have our answer.

mbbrazen
mbbrazen

I think the EQ franchise is safe. They may need to re-consider that separation of EQN and Landmark and just make it one game. Let the early access people from Landmark continue as early access for EQN. I don't know Dragons Prophet, but really does the world need another zombie game?

Damonvile
Damonvile

I don't think that company is done being "sold" so all of them are at risk. They're just publishing dragons prophet and I doubt there is much profit in doing it, so that will probably be the first to go.

The sad part about all this is I doubt an investment firm cares about how iconic EQ is to the mmo genre and would probably have no problems shutting it down.

MaxSand
MaxSand

@Damonvile Very true, they don't care about the sentiment attached to it but they will care that it is a Name brand, a franchise with a history and a following. If they can be persuaded that those things are going to mean big sales on EQN or Landmark, they won't close it, but profit is all that is going to make or break these games now, out of our hands. It could go any number of ways, as the data can be looked at in numerous scenarios. All we can do is hope it all goes well.


You might be right about them being Resold.......

Blinkenn
Blinkenn

@MaxSand @Damonvile I'm sure they'll be taking a hard look at EQ/EQ2 sub numbers, what's disheartening is looking at the EQNext youtube video's and the worldwide gameplay premier didnt even break 500,000 views compared to the almost 1milion views the H1Z1 launch trailer received. It shows a company like CN that there's a marked lack of interest, and lack of interest doesnt equal revenue.