EverQuest emulator group gets a ‘written agreement’ with Daybreak

Who says MMO emulators are illegal? Not Daybreak, apparently, as the firm has entered into a “written agreement” with the creators of an EverQuest emu known as Project 1999. Co-manager Sean Norton posted on the emulator’s forums today outlining a document that “formally recognizes Project 1999 as a fan-based not-for-profit classic EverQuest emulation project.”

Norton says that the agreement establishes certain guidelines that the staff must follow, which will allow them to update the emulator “without risk of legal repercussions.” Norton also says that the 1999 release schedule will change so as not to conflict with Daybreak’s upcoming EQ progression server.

Daybreak posted its own notice on the official EQ website earlier today.

[Source: Project 1999 forums; thanks Ryan!]
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pwschomp5
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pwschomp5

Do it for CWA!

MJ Guthrie
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MJ Guthrie

Sinder Budukahn Except a wait is better than being shut down!

WandaClamshuckr
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WandaClamshuckr

It demonstrates the flip-flopping fickleness of the gaming community.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

melissamcdon Zariarn That’s exactly my thought Melissa.

usagizero
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usagizero

Skyewauker dirtyklingon SallyBowls1 LordOfBread “The emulators / private servers don’t profit from anything.”

This is really not that important. Simply using copyrighted material is enough for a huge penalty. There also isn’t a nice precedent setting case yet, to get the suits eager to do it. Blizzard sued a bot maker, and won for seven million, and that was just for that usage. All it will take is a suit and win for against either emu makers or private servers, and it’s all over.

greywolfe_joystiq
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greywolfe_joystiq

that’s really awesome :)

Gylnne
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Gylnne

Blackomen jauffins ponders how one announcement can make a company good.

Gylnne
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Gylnne

Bojan1975 It is being worked on but may take a few years, not by daybreak but fans.

Gylnne
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Gylnne

Norton says that the agreement establishes certain guidelines that the
staff must follow, which will allow them to update the emulator “without
risk of legal repercussions
In other words Daybreak can tell them what to do, nice.

WildarX
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WildarX

melissamcdon It currently does NOT support Luclin graphics models.  At this time, P99 is up to the Kunark expansion and will update to Velious sometime this fall.  The Velious expansion should allow us to use Velious icon sets for buffs and spells.
I understand the reluctance to go back to the old models, but folks who maintain and develop P99 work hard to try and capture the look and feel of those early years.  I think they do an outstanding job and the P99 community is very active and dedicated.

melissamcdon
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melissamcdon

Zariarn because they want to close EQ and allowing a fan-run-server will help minimize the public backlash?

melissamcdon
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melissamcdon

Skyewauker dirtyklingon SallyBowls1 LordOfBread You do not have to profit from stealing something to make it still stealing.  “unauthorized use” … simply put

melissamcdon
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melissamcdon

WildarX TronSheridan So it doesn’t have the updated Luclin graphics?   That would be a deal breaker for me… EQ looked twice as good overnight… couldn’t go backwards from that

Skyewauker
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Skyewauker

dirtyklingon Westguard Sorenthaz If you stream private server play on twitch, it normally gets banned.

Skyewauker
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Skyewauker

dirtyklingon Skyewauker LordOfBread Yea, the code that was leaked was NGE code.  The developers were once asked during the NGE why they couldn’t offer legacy servers and the response was that they didn’t have the code anymore.  I dunno if that were true or not.
The emu guys did reverse engineer and build their own engine as a result of that.  They have some stuff going on now with the Engine that has sparked a tad bit of controversy.

Skyewauker
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Skyewauker

syberghost SallyBowls1 LordOfBread It really doesn’t matter.  SOE / DBG arent going to come after you.  The source code has been online for a long time now and the links to it , the pastebins, etc, are still up.  They have done nothing to remove them.  Even then, this code is for SWG NGE anyways.  Its not even for the pre-cu stuff, which makes up 99% of the emulator developers.

Skyewauker
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Skyewauker

dirtyklingon Skyewauker SallyBowls1 LordOfBread Nah, Disney couldn’t… the same reason Blizzard can’t.  The emulators / private servers don’t profit from anything.  In this case, even less so for SWGemu because SWG isn’t live anymore.  They aren’t stealing potential customers.
I have inside info on this matter from the SWGemu guys.  I have seen the email correspondence back and forth.  The arrangement is official, even if its unofficial or not in public view, if that makes sense.

rottenrotny
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rottenrotny

This is such awesome news. Good for Daybreak.

WildarX
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WildarX

TronSheridan Yes, but over the past 16 years, Everquest has evolved and is currently very different from what it was back in 1999.  Project 1999 is a EQ emulator dedicated to try and emulate what the game when it was new.  I like P99 a lot and does a great job of reminding me what I loved (and hated) about EQ when I started in playing it in 2001.

TronSheridan
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TronSheridan

I’m cornfused.  Can’t you still play Everquest?

Bojan1975
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Bojan1975

And Vanguard EMU?

PizzaDoh
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PizzaDoh

ZephW This might be the first good move daybreak has made, even including the last ~5 years the team was under SoE.

SomniumWintersun
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SomniumWintersun

Ironwu That’s exactly what’s been keeping me from hopping into this (as i would love to!). I played the game way back in 2001-2004/5ish, but the only “box” i had was the gold version even though i have basically every expansion (not the last 2-3 or so) as I have gone back a few times since then for a month or so before seeing basically everyone just multi-boxing and not wanting to group.

GoldenHornet
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GoldenHornet

Hey NCSoft, anybody listening?  This is how you do it…

#SaveCoH

melissamcdon
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melissamcdon

Daybreak would probably like to sell original Everquest to a 3rd party, this might be the first step.

Paaperclips
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Paaperclips

Very cool! I really wish more companies would do this with older games. :) First Meridian 59 goes open source and now DBG gives an official OK to Project 99. Things are definitely starting to look better for these older games surviving long into the future!

mrnastybutler
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mrnastybutler

I…I think hell froze over.  This is really cool!  Props to both P99 and Daybreak for this!

Wiexlon
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Wiexlon

Not to mention, Daybreak even posted some praise for them on their own forums. That’s pretty awesome.

Kanbe
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Kanbe

Wait…..is this positive news c omming from DANG? Either the world is about to end or they wanted to get some positive PR before some big, horrible announcement.

Wiexlon
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Wiexlon

Ironwu That’d be great. Every week, I read about someone that can’t obtain a copy by whatever means, for whatever reason and therefore do not end up playing on the EMU.

Wiexlon
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Wiexlon

mjfife85 FFXIV is the only game that tends to pull me away from P99 as well. Such a great game of the modern era.

SeanNeubert
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SeanNeubert

I really hope this is a good thing, I have a lot of respect for the P99 team. They have done an amazing job and is the only true classic EQ server.
For some reason this “agreement” has that “do this, or else!” kind of feeling about it. Not mentioned here is that this agreement required the P99 to delay their upcoming (and long awaited) Velious expantion release by a few months so that Daybreak could better capitalize on their own progression server.
Long term, I hope this might lead to some cool crossover projects with the P99 team.

syberghost
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syberghost

Remember the doom and gloom about these folks going from being owned by an extremely hands-on Japanese company that’s super anal about rights management, to an extremely hands-off Russian company that doesn’t give two fraks about rights management.

This is the fruit of that; they get to think like gamers, not like suits. For better or worse; this is an example of better.

syberghost
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syberghost

SallyBowls1 LordOfBread a dev who’s READ the SWG source code probably shouldn’t be allowed to work on SWGemu, because it opens you up to having to sit in a court and prove that you didn’t use any of that code in your work, when the nature of programming is such that solving the same problem in the same language means you’ll likely have many places where your code coincidentally looks identical.

If you send an email with the subject “SWG source code” and a big zipfile attached to an SWGemu dev, he’ll most likely delete it unread.

syberghost
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syberghost

Nicolos because the legal ramifications, especially for a California company, are seriously insane. “Owe everybody who ever worked on the project retroactive overtime pay” kind of insane. “Pay retroactive FICA plus penalties” insane.

Such things have to be done very, very carefully, and they’d rather make games.

Lethality
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Lethality

I am guessing this probably means EQ will be going into some sort of maintenance mode, and this will help keep old-timer interest.

BKone
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BKone

goldstariv Denice J Cook True. And it’s heartwarming they recognize the historic value of EQ. The game is as groundbreaking as Wolfenstein 3d was.

Mezla
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Mezla

A step in the right direction for all those CoH emus

nowrar
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nowrar

Good to hear.

Sinder
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Sinder

Zariarn Part of the agreement was that P99 would delay the release of the Velious expansion so that the official Progression server would get less competition when it released. If they had not done this the 2 releases would be reasonable close to each other. This is actually a move to reduce the competition between the two surprisingly enough.

Sinder
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Sinder

Budukahn One thing they did was make  P99 agree to DELAY the release of an emulated expansion on P99. Daybreak was going to release progression servers that give a semi-classic experience but they knew that the P99 release would compete with their new progression server. So technically both do win but I know a bunch of people on P99 will be upset at the wait. I’m cool with it, i think its a very fair trade in the end.

Blackomen
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Blackomen

jauffins Took the words right out of my mouth. And daybreak was approaching EA games levels of evil before this.

mjfife85
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mjfife85

I really like the P99 server when I was playing through it a few years ago. If I wasn’t stuck on FF14, I would be playing that instead

Skyewauker
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Skyewauker

SallyBowls1 LordOfBread SOE , well DBG, has this same deal with the swgemu guys.  They have been operating without legal repercussions for over 2-3 years now.

Skyewauker
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Skyewauker

LordOfBread The source code has been leaked lol.

jauffins
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jauffins

Finally, something positive out of Daybreak Games?!

_Ariel_
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_Ariel_

Because good ideas that don’t come directly from the managment clique are considered garbage.

DoctorOverlord
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DoctorOverlord

That very cool to hear.  Hopefully more MMO companies will follow this great example of intelligent PR building.

CthulhuDawg
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CthulhuDawg

pudgybunnybry I would login day 1

Ironwu
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Ironwu

Well, P99 requires the Everquest : Titanium edition of the game, and will work with nothing else.
I am hoping that DGC will allow P99 to distribute this (very small; 4gb) version of the game.
Because, right now, there is no legal way to acquire this version, if you do not already have it.
Oh, you can buy it on E-Bay, or Amazon 3rd party sellers, but it will cost $100+.
Note that the key is not used for P99, so it does not matter if the copy has been registered or not.
Lets hope DGC does the whole right thing, and not just a half-hearted gesture.

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