Rumor: WildStar coming to Steam as a free-to-play title in August [Updated]

WildStar is coming to Steam, according to third-party scraper site SteamDB.info. When and for how much is less clear, given that Carbine and NCsoft likely didn’t want this information in the public eye, at least this early.

SteamDB uses SteamKit to “interface with the Steam network” and gives “more insight into the Steam database” by tracking applications and packages as well as keeping tabs on all changes.

Elsewhere, Redditors are comparing Steam codes for published games with those from the WildStar leak, but thus far there is no definitive business model information to be had.

Update: An anonymous Carbine employee allegedly verified by Reddit moderators has come forward to confirm the business model shift.

“As has oft been discussed around here, Wildstar is going to be changing its business model in August (tentatively of course, patch stuff etc) to a Hybridized Free to Play model. Now thankfully it is not going Pay to Win, I suppose you could call it “Freemium” in a way as a lot of the stuff that the paid accounts will get is buffs to experience/rep/renown etc gain and character slots and the like, no direct power buffs or anything like that. MTX (Microtransactions) will be included moving forward as well and you will hear more about that very soon.

Steam release should be by the end of this year or January at the absolute latest. It should definitely be before the China release. The China release is slower because we have to change every asset that has bones or blood or teeth or eyeballs and all of that stuff that they are not fond of. Some whole zones, specifically those with the Strain, have to be overhauled.

Hey there! Steam integration has been coming for a while, Valve was in our office here in Orange County back in January. We are trying to get Wildstar to be THE MMO for Steamboxes, IE, Wildstar will be preinstalled with every system. It should be happening before the China launch that’s for sure. Ok, Content Cycles may be hard to explain/understand but I will try. The PLAN is for content to stay at the quarterly cycles that they are now. We have soft and hard locks for everything. That SHOULD not change however we are losing employees left and right, for example our dungeon and raid team is 4 people, we have 5 class designers, hell even our QA team is about 7 people for Wildstar and a few of those people are leaving as well in a few weeks. We have lost 2 Art Directors in less than 8 months along with several Producers. That being said, we have A LOT of features pitched and planned. It was something like 100+ pitched for 1.4.0. Obviously nowhere near all of them will get in but that is just to show you that there is a lot of content being created, whether it gets proper testing, integration, design, etc is another story.

[Regarding the mood in the studio:] It’s not great. From top to bottom we have handfuls of people leaving every week, there was a stretch where we averaged at least 5 people leaving a week for 5 weeks. As you all probably know we’ve had 2 Art Directors leave within 8 months, a handful of Producers have left, we still have no Studio Head to replace Gaffney, hell even our Wildstar specific QA is down to about 7 people and a few of them are leaving in the next couple weeks as well. We’ve had 4 designers from different Feature Teams leave in the past 7 work days as well. There is no transparency and everyone is always fearful of what will even be here 2 months from now. The place is ran very poorly by people who have the biggest egos that fight over everything.

We have not been able to independently verify the source, who as of this morning appears to have been banned from Reddit (again-again) thanks to mods with a grudge, so please heed the giant “rumor” tags. With thanks to The_Grand_Nagus and Dante for the tip.

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Hurbster
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Lights_andMusic Hurbster I do have an amd card. And the game runs just fine at 60+ fps. Could not be happier.

dorn2
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TronSheridan Lethality 
The problem isn’t so much that anyone cares about how you spend your time/money.  The problem is you come on here whining for F2P when you have nothing to offer.
1. You aren’t putting time into the game so you bring nothing to other players.
2. You aren’t supporting the game with cash.
3. You aren’t even offering useful feedback on a website like this.
Frankly most of the people who whine for F2P could just not whine about it and spend a fraction of that time mowing lawns.  By the time they were finished they’d have enough to pay for years of gameplay.

dorn2
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jauffins Lethality TronSheridan 
Does his opinion even matter then?  I mean why is he even talking if he has no time for this hobby?  From a normal players point of view he’s a non-entity.  He won’t impact the game.  People won’t get to play with him (because he isn’t on).  He obviously won’t support development.

dorn2
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Armsbend 
Their PCs.  What kind of crack are you on?  You’re on a PC right now.  You already bought one of those “pieces of shit”.

Lights_andMusic
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Lights_andMusic

Hurbster Hope you don’t have AMD !

Lights_andMusic
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Lights_andMusic

Tridus 

“At some point, *adults* have to just face reality”

Quite the assumption to make about the age of a certain poster, imho ;)

Lights_andMusic
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AdeptusEnginus Lethality TronSheridan /thread.  Someone please sticky/auto-answer this whenever someone asks about F2P vs B2P vs Subs.  

I’ll watch fast and furious on TV, but I’m not about to pay $15 to see it in a theater (especially since I KNOW it’s going to be on TV in 6 months for free/already sunk cost anyway)

Armsbend
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“We are trying to get Wildstar to be THE MMO for Steamboxes, IE, Wildstar will be preinstalled with every system.”

You’d be crazy to buy one of these pieces of shit.

Bango
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Lethality With a bit of luck, NCSoft will just shut the game down so that you can keep your precious little community intact.

Strangepowers
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Strangepowers

Lethality jauffins TronSheridan LOL good thing that’s not your call to make!

adamph1974
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Kayweg I see what you did there. :P

Kayweg
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Kayweg

All we need for confirmation now is a leaking Valve…

Space_Ghostal
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For it is worth Carbine my muti-game guild is planning on playing again once you decide to go F2P/B2P. Just as long as we are not nickle and dime to death.

RicharddeLeonIII
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adamph1974 Good chance NCsoft news lurkers are CoH fans who want to resurrect that game :P…a true jesus zombie mmo revival so to speak, hehe.

adamph1974
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All of you shhhhhhh. Being in a funeral home for a game is an inappropriate place to have an argument. Have some respect.

TronSheridan
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TronSheridan

Lethality TronSheridan How I spend my time in money holds zero relevance for you.  Why do you care so much?

BradleyFlewelling
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BradleyFlewelling

People are still commenting here wow guess there is still a lot of Interest in this game wether ita good or bad i do t know

RicharddeLeonIII
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RicharddeLeonIII

Lethality jauffins TronSheridan The only kind of player that adds value to an MMO in the eyes of the developer is one that pays money, whether or not that player actually plays.  Thats the only goal of an MMO developer, dont kid yourself.  Community, alturism, the betterment of humanity is all nothing compared to the almighty profit.  Their goal is to get people to pay something, anything.  No company is immune to that need even carbine and ncsoft.

Whatever the payment method, whatever the disadvantages and advantages, the goal is to get people to pay something, anything in order to stay in operation.  Until there is a company that doesnt need to pay its own bills, you wont see an MMO that will stick on a method that doesnt bring in money including staying with a subscription if that isnt bringing enough people to even try the game.

Midgetsnowman
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sray155 Lethality I suspect either he’s just a troll who’s very devoted to his craft, or he likes basically going to ludicrous levels of hyperbole just to “win”

sray155
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Lethality sray155 I’m not the one claiming my time is too valuable to wait for a movie to be on Netflix or play a game that I wouldn’t pay for.

Lethality
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sray155 Lethality Who responded to who now? Yeah.

Lethality
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jauffins Lethality TronSheridan Then that’s not really the kind of player that adds value to an MMORPG.

jauffins
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sray155 Lethality 
loooooooool

jauffins
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Lethality TronSheridan 
I think the idea is he would probably play it so casually so as not to justify the subscription fee.

Midgetsnowman
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RicharddeLeonIII Midgetsnowman

Thats a copout and you know it.

Why? because the average consumer for MMos doesnt give two shits that you’ve been out a year and wow has been out a decade. They care about which game has more fun shit to do. Just because you arent as old and venerated a property means nothing except to people who are already wildstar fans.

Midgetsnowman
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Lethality sray155 because certainly the fact that a movie at home means not having to deal with crowds, driving,or overpriced popcorn cant possibly be good reasons to wait.

Jesus, man, you’re like the ideal corporate slave buyer, your views are practically a how to on how to minimize personal convenience and maximize corporate profit while cheering.

RicharddeLeonIII
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Lethality sray155 While true that time is the most important currency, thats something that everyone has to spend in equal amounts to enjoy a medium at the same levels.  You have to spend 2 hours to enjoy a movie that you paid for, which is the same 2 hours that someone else uses to watch the movie on TV.  Time expenditure is equivalent for everyone.  Its the ancillary costs that everyone has control over.
People may be willing to spend time to watch a movie or play a game, but not willing to spend the dollar cost to do so.  Thats why F2P is so popular, when a dollar cost goes down to 0, the value they gain from spending time increases for most people.
I pay 15 dollar a month on one sub, but play a dozen or so different MMOs getting a value on variety, a smorgasbord of settings if you will.  I’ll throw a few dollars here and there to a game, but only appropriate to the amount of time i spend on said game.

sray155
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Lethality sray155 Given how much time you spend arguing with strangers over the Internet, for what appears to be simply the sake of arguing, I find that claim to be highly unlikely.

Lethality
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sray155 Actually no. If a movie is not worth my time now it’s not worth my time ever… it’s not a cost thing. My time is more valuable than all of it.

RicharddeLeonIII
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Midgetsnowman RicharddeLeonIII It isnt fair to compare wildstar with any other MMO older than itself since quantity of content depends on time and money spent by the developer.  Thats one problem of younger MMOs, there’s no way it can compete content wise with an older mmo that has had a chance and development money spent on expansions.  It would be like comparing WoW with EQ1, everquest easily out-quantifies wow on content, but WoW has more polish on what it does have.

sray155
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So you’ve never looked at a trailer for a movie and said “I’ll wait until it’s available on Netflix”?
Same principle at work.

AdeptusEnginus
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Lethality TronSheridan Value differs from individual to individual, and most people do not operate on extremes when it comes to consuming entertainment. It is possible for someone to find a game fun, but not fun enough to spend money on, which is exactly what happened to me when I tried ESO during it’s recent freekend. It was fun, I enjoyed it, but I have other games to enjoy and I didn’t enjoy it enough to buy it at full price right now, especially when I can spend my time playing things I’m currently enjoying more and eventually pick it up at a steep discount.
Someone might enjoy Wildstar but not enjoy it enough to feel they would be getting enough value out of the box price + 15/m, especially in a market ripe with alternatives.
You essentially answered your own question. “It’s a decent game, why not pay to play?” Because to that person, it is not a GREAT or even GOOD game, it is only decent. To them, decent probably means not worth the price of admission. I know I would not pay a subscription fee for a “decent” MMO, especially when “decent” in these days tends to mean “free to play within six months” and I’ll get to try it with zero down and all the improvements that they made since launch.

I LOVED Wildstar until I hit the halfway point of the attunement wall and the weight of how tedious everything was smacked me across the face. There just wasn’t enough to do to justify spending time in the game beyond dungeons and eventually
raids, and I want to actually want to play an MMO I’m actively paying for, not just logging in on raid days to get people attuned or repeat the same content weekly. That is subsequently why I dropped Wildstar for XIV, because despite the latter’s vastly inferior combat scheme, it has an abundance of activities which range from genuine heavy challenge to immensely casual romps, whichever fits the current mood.
Maybe that has changed for Wildstar, maybe there’s things to do now…but many, like me, are already ingrained into some other game and are not going to just drop our established funtimes to give Wildstar a second chance, especially if it may turn out the game still doesn’t justify the cost to us on an individual basis.

Opportunity and timing is a big deal too. Wildstar’s major sin wasn’t just that it missed the mark, but that it missed the mark right before Warlords of Draenor dropped. It didn’t manage to grip it’s majority playerbase when it needed to the most, and a large chunk of it’s audience abandoned it right back to WoW for the mass of new content. Now, Heavensward is right around the corner. Why should I go back to Wildstar when XIV will give me a major reason to jump right back over in less than a month’s time? I’m not going to pay for both because MMOs are too time intensive and I know I wouldn’t be able to squeeze enough value out of both at the same time to justify it. it’s the same kind of logic.

mrnastybutler
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TronSheridan I thought this game should have been B2P at launch.  While it was good, it did not measure up to a monthly subscription good.  I would have still liked to see it go B2P instead of F2P but that will not stop me from playing it.

Lethality
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TronSheridan That was my point, actually. So your time is worth 0 since you’ll play a free game you don’t like?  And if it’s a decent game, why not pay to play?

TronSheridan
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Lethality TronSheridan Why not?  It’s a decent game, but not decent enough to pay $15/month for (very few of those exist…well zero in my book).

Lethality
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TronSheridan “I will install and play it when it goes F2P”

Why?

TronSheridan
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TronSheridan

Pretty much the most unsurprising news headline this year.

Cosmic Cleric
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Midgetsnowman Cosmic Cleric dionm01 Subscription players are more dedicated to the game they are subscribed to, as they have “skin in the game”, where F2P types are usually locusts, going from one game to another, not caring about being “good citizens” in the game.  They are usually more disruptive, overall.
Generalizations, yes, but they usually hold true, at least that has been my own personal experience.  /shrug

Midgetsnowman
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Estranged Xephyr ArchDevi Because they like the interpretations of the rules that allow them to be an ass without any repercussions.

Midgetsnowman
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Cosmic Cleric dionm01 The riff-raff thing is exactly why I walked.

I find it utterly disgusting to be paying money to subsidize the fun of people who only want a game to have a sub so they can imagine theyre a better breed of player than the average free to play player.

Midgetsnowman
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RicharddeLeonIII

Its also far more content-barren than wow is currently , and frankly, most gamers care about if the content that now is compelling, not whether its polished.

wildstar, at least when I last played, was not very compelling at level cap.

AdeptusEnginus
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Lethality Midgetsnowman wahnsinnicK Personal opinions aside, that isn’t a reason they would buy it, that’s a reason they would play it. There’s a distinct difference; one would make them interested enough to buy into it in the first place, while the other one would make them stick around in it after they bought it (which didn’t happen for most people who DID buy it, so it is safe to say that the majority disagree with your assessment.)

Wildstar is unknown to the majority consumer-base, and what information is out there about it is largely negative in regards to impressions and opinions, the main factors that drive sales in this youtube era we live in. It doesn’t have the pull of the IP like Elder Scrolls did, so Buy2Play probably would not be a good thing for them. They are so deep underwater that they need to ensure there is as little barrier to entry for potential customers as possible. A B2P option might result in the game failing it’s second chance, because there just isn’t enough positivity out there to make the average gamer justify the entry price over any of the other themepark options.

PizzaDoh
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Lethality Midgetsnowman wahnsinnicK ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

It has a lot of problems in the game design.

Cyroselle
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Yes, please please please devs, take the B2P pill instead of F2P!
I’m not saying it’s always the case, but I’ve seen way too many games get poisoned by the latter model.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

That performance description made my night!!!
Spot on too!

RicharddeLeonIII
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He is kinda right based on the age of the game. All the other examples have had years to add to their content. At 1 yr old wildstar is more polished compared to 1yr old wow etc

Midgetsnowman
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Lethality Midgetsnowman wahnsinnicK well, at least you’ve finally given up the ghost and outright admitted you’re trolling.

Because thats way past the Threshold of “is he joking or not” and straight into “he cant possibly be serious”

Lethality
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Midgetsnowman Lethality wahnsinnicK Nope, it is more feature-rich than all of those games, including WoW.

Midgetsnowman
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Lethality Midgetsnowman wahnsinnicK

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh thats a good one. Delusional, but a good one.

Now, I will say wildstar is a half-decent themepark. But the best? Only if the only people allowed to enter the competition is wildstar. Otherwise TSW, Neverwinter, STO, DDO, WoW, FF14, SWTOR, and a half dozen other games are miles ahead of wildstar

Lethality
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Midgetsnowman wahnsinnicK because its the best theme park out there, period.

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