Greed Monger officially calls it quits

After staff defections and general developer drama earlier this year, there really wasn’t much hope for the future of Greed Monger. Now there is no hope whatsoever, as the team has run out of funds and is unable to even get a smaller title out the door to backers.

Programmer James Proctor delivered the bad news to the community: “With no means of funding and Jason [Appleton] refusing to take GM back from us, we are forced to admit defeat and close GM down […] I’m sorry things have had to end this way and will do everything in our power to make things right in the future.”

Greed Monger raised over $100,000 in crowdfunding in 2012, promising that it would create “a crafting-focused sandbox MMORPG.”

Source: Official forums. Thanks to EponyxDamor and Leilonii for the tip!
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Kaloth
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Kaloth

You know, I was almost about $500 in the hole for this game. I had the pledge made and all, but backed out a couple days before the KS run finished up.
I was super keen on playing this, as it promised to be something I could see myself investing most of my game time into. So why back out? On the advice of a friend, I did a little research on the lead guy, Jason. Turns out he didn’t have a good track record with … well … anything. So pledge cancelled. I still had hopes it would come to fruition, but it would be money I spent after the game was released, not before.
Right now, I’m sitting here being all smug and happy that I put 10 minutes to do a google search into this guy before 100% committing my money to the project.
That said, I’m sad the project never worked out, as it was promising, and I’m also sad that so many folks have lost their money and will never get anything in return for it.

Kililin
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Kililin

I dont get why people call KS an investment, its a donation not an investment.
Whats more, with most gaming projects you are donating to profit oriented business companies, i would expect something more than a sticker for providing company funds. The receiving companies dont even have to publish business reports etc. but would have to do this with every other investment strategy.

Jacra
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Jacra

eLdritchMD No, it wasn’t, Wurm had Notch and his guys and they aimed for non-animated single male avatar, no equipment shown. I’ve seen Wurm start and grow, that was completely different.

Jacra
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Jacra

Zariarn The problem is that Kickstarter neither asks nor controls what the money is spent on and thus what “assets” would be (a new car could be if it is bought by the Kickstarter fund …).
It says projects have to refund if they don’t follow through but Kickstarter does not enforce that. So basically Kickstarter reaps in all the money but does no due diligence to keep track or enforce them.

Jacra
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Jacra

Jaed Anyone pouring money into a project of people with zero shipped titles under their belt is … more than gambling (clearing throat). That wasn’t new back in 2012 even or in 2005 or whatever. And MMO’s are worse than offline games by far in terms of complexity/difficulty.

JesLyck
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JesLyck

TehAcidBaron JesLyck  I am very aware of this, in this case I dont believe. There has been a ever been, a chance to get a product. Many use the analogy gambling in this case, it is one of those street phony games.

Thewigit
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Thewigit

Dear Greed Monger Community Members,
I am the community manager for Utherous.  I wanted to reach out to the supporters on the forums here to offer you a consolation for your dedication to the Greed Monger project that was recently canceled.
Since its Kickstarter, several members of our development team have supported and followed Greed Monger. As an indie team, there are always doubts about direction and demand for your product, however, seeing Greed Monger’s early success and community growth served as an inspiration for us as we were going through early development.
Having worked on many games, several of our developers know the pitfalls that come with game creation.  While Greed Monger’s current situation is more common than you would think, Kickstarter and crowdfunding are causing fans to be more directly affected. After several discussions, our team has decided to extend an olive branch to the Greed Monger backers in light of their recent announcement to cancel the project.  We would like to help those individuals who have supported indies in our genre, and to mitigate the disappointment they may be feeling right now.
We have 100 alpha invites we can extend to the Greed Monger community right now.  These invites will get you in early on the dev cycle for Utherous, as well as a full copy of the game upon release (which will include the first month of subscription). We are considering extending some kind of offer to any community members in excess of the aforementioned 100, but cannot commit until we can accurately gauge the interest level.  Apologies for the vagueness here, but we will try to do something for anyone posting http://utherous.com/forums/topic/greedmonger-give-away/after 100 person cutoff.
Our hope is that our donation of these keys will inspire other indie teams in this space to also reach out and support the fans and for the fans to continue to support us indie developers.  Ultimately, we are making games for you and the relationship between devs and backers needs to remain strong for this segment of the industry to survive. While we obviously can’t prevent future projects’ cancellations, we will do everything in our power to let you know that we appreciate your support.
Follow the instructions http://utherous.com/forums/topic/greedmonger-give-away/.
Best Wishes and Happy Gaming,
Snowpelt
Utherous Community Manager

carson63000
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carson63000

Edany (AmberACurtis) carson63000 I thought that was the good news? Ba-dum-TISH!

AlanSpurlock
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AlanSpurlock

talast They can not release the sauce.. because they did not actually create the mmorpg code. That was done by a framework that is made for Unity. You can google it… but I don’t want to plainly say the name. We want to distance ourselves from this guy as much as we can.

toomanywowclones
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toomanywowclones

Armsbend Jaed Well look at his works:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koji_Igarashi
You know you are going to get a game and whatever perks you want. I don’t see any issues here. Why should he have to come out of the pocket to make a game when there are people who would like to pre-order or get unique backer perks.

toomanywowclones
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toomanywowclones

Damonvile James has to be one of the dumbest developers to walk the face of this planet. He had a chance to leave, he left, cleaned his slate. Then comes back a few days later and takes the project and responsibility from Appleton, then quits 3 weeks later. Talk about dumb…

toomanywowclones
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toomanywowclones

JesLyck no it wasn’t, it was two guys with zero experience thinking they could make an mmo and failed.

toomanywowclones
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toomanywowclones

Appleton and Proctor have to be the two biggest jokes in MMO history. I actually feel happy for the backers as they don’t have to put up with the lies anymore.

Edany (AmberACurtis)
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Edany (AmberACurtis)

carson63000 Uhhhh….. You’re kidding.. right? Because the quote that he delivered to the community was exactly after the linked text of what he said to the community…. 

Read. It’s fundamental. FFS….

BigMikeyOcho
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BigMikeyOcho

AilsaN10 I’ve backed a bunch and have yet to see a single one besides MassivelyOP deliver that product on time. However, the products did come eventually. I also backed projects that I believed would actually succeed and produce and had a solid enough concept.

SoMuchMass
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SoMuchMass

carson63000 How about the fact that he said the game was shutting down?

Jaed
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Jaed

AilsaN10 I’ve backed a number of KS projects and while a bunch are still in development, I’m really happy with the level of communication and progress. Three of the projects I’ve backed are already live, so I’m generally quite happy with Kickstarter.

AilsaN10
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AilsaN10

Most people who back games on Kickstarter are aware they are taking a risk and that the money likely will not be refunded if the project fails. Those that are not aware of this have misplaced the blame on the company/developer. The only person you should be mad at is yourself. Consider this a lesson learned and move on. I know my opinion will piss people off.
I have backed a total of 6 projects on KS: 1 board game, Massively Overpowered, and 4 Video Games (3 are still in development and the fourth successfully released several months ago). Of the 6 investments, three have yet to come to fruition. There have been lots of Kickstarters that have interested me but I don’t give money to most of them.

AilsaN10
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AilsaN10

Not everything on Kickstarter is a scam. Let’s not forget that Kickstarter helped us save this very site.

Armsbend
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Armsbend

groo the wanderer  Also:  Groo is awesome.

Armsbend
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Armsbend

groo the wanderer Thank you.  I’ll be plain:  gamers as a whole are gullible and stupid.  As a consumer group the are lower than fast food groupies.  Fast food groupies have been known to have standards in the past and demand basic safety and value.  Gamers ask for more each and every time they get their teeth kicked in by apologist who use the latest buzz word like “entitled”.

Apollymi
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Apollymi

Yep it’s a gamble. Som of us lost some dough. Was hoping and willing to back a sandbox game before all the new crop started showing up on the radar. I’m stilling, and have backed, upcoming sandbox games because I want to see them come back. Venture capital projects are a risk, I don’t regret it though as their successful backing showed others there was interest and money to be had.

EBreezy
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EBreezy

I knew this was going to happen.  I kinda like the idea of that group based game. They only want $8000 and will make a workable game using premade assets. I don’t know the details of it all or much about game development. But, honestly, this sounds like a better way of doing things.  Test the waters and see if you and your team are capable of getting *something* out. Then, ask for the big bucks to actually keep your promises.

Denice J Cook
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Denice J Cook

Another one goes the way of the dinosaurs.  ;)

carson63000
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carson63000

eLdritchMD wjowski I don’t know who’s gonna win the Superbowl in 2024, but I do know that it is more likely to be a team of junior high school kids than Greedmonger was likely to be completed and good.

ArchDevi
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ArchDevi

The fact anyone would back a complete stranger with zero gaming background asking for $30k (what was originally pledged) to make an MMO shows a fatally critical lack of understanding and research.
If they hadnt invested in Greed Monger they’d probably have spent that money on invisibility pills, or condos in the moon.
KS is always a gamble, but this was like gambling that a 6 sided die would roll a 9
you cant fix amazingly retarded

groo the wanderer
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groo the wanderer

I suspect we will see more like this in future . At least this didn’t get to the point where it was on steam like the Stomping Land .

groo the wanderer
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groo the wanderer

Armsbend Sythalin   ” unsuspecting and unsophisticated ” that is a very nice way to say gullible and stupid lol

groo the wanderer
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groo the wanderer

eLdritchMD Styopa wjowski I hope you learned your lesson but I suspect you didn’t and you will be parted with your money again .

BalsBigBrother
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BalsBigBrother

TehAcidBaron JesLyck you are not investing in a company.  Essentially you are preorderimg a product based on the idea alone but with no guarantee that said product will be finished or that the idea will remain the same.

eLdritchMD
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eLdritchMD

Styopa eLdritchMD wjowski maybe and yet I still dared to dream of a game like Wurm Online that wasn’t stuck in java.

TehAcidBaron
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TehAcidBaron

JesLyck

Yes the owner of the company pretty much took advantage of both the backers and his staff, The staff didn’t even got paid. 

People have to remember thet kickstarter is and remains a risk, as with every investment. Just because it’s promoted as buying a product, while it’s just you investing in the company.
(take note i have money in kickstarter projects, so i’m not bitter)

JesLyck
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JesLyck

This was definitely a scam

Chuki792
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Chuki792

Ice bucket anyone?

CistaCista
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CistaCista

S’why I don’t spend much time reading about indie games until they are in early access :)

Madda
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Madda

Never heard of it.

Styopa
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Styopa

eLdritchMD wjowski …and that would be another dumb thing to wager your $ on.

carson63000
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carson63000

Hang on.. you say programmer James Proctor delivered the bad news to the community .. but you don’t tell us what the bad news was?

talast
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talast

Disappointing, not that I backed it.. but for projects like these, where they have failed
I wish they would release all assets for the project to the public, source code, images extra, as a give back to community, since it failed to deliver on a final product

Armsbend
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Armsbend

Jaed The US Fed Govt has many, many arms that protect gullible consumers.  Lobbyist or the fact that the rich, old white men in power do not “get” electronic distribution as it relates to the overall economy gets the swindlers a complete pass.

Serra2
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Serra2

Damonvile Yeah, I was following the whole thing on MMO-Champ, and James was honestly the worst of the two.  His own chat logs show how he pretty much blew the money on buying mods and plug-ins for Unity that he could never get to work.  Appleton at least appeared to try and make the game, he was just saddled with a guy who had no idea how to develop a game

AdeptusEnginus
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AdeptusEnginus

Armsbend Jaed You seem to misunderstand the reasoning behind kickstarters like that.

Those kinds of games don’t tend to fly with mainstream investors anymore because the major publishers have become convinced that they would not sell and, as a result, said games either cease to be developed or are drastically altered in concept to resemble something entirely different, more aimed at capturing a mainstream audience. 
Case and point, the one you just pointed to is essentially a “true” recreation of Castlevania, by the guy who originally created it. By your logic, he should be able to just go get money thrown at him to do anything he wants…and yet, look at Castlevania. Look at what Castlevania has actually become. The reason he can’t do that is because the people at the top convinced themselves Castlevania would no longer sell, and so they demolished it and re-constructed it into the Lords of Shadow games that we’ve been getting of late. Hense, Igurashi-san split off to create what he actually wants to create: More Castlevania the way it was supposed to be, but todo that he has to prove to the people with the money that his bosses were wrong and there are people, and a worth-while number of them at that, who would buy that kind of product.
As such, Kickstarter is used both as a means to begin the early stages of development (tech demo, etc) and prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that there IS an audience for the product, so that it is significantly easier to procure additional funding. Once the game is made, and assuming it is indeed successful, you are more than likely not going to see a kickstarter for Bloodstained 2, as they would not need to prove anything to procure funding.

Damonvile
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Damonvile

The only thing you can really accuse James of, is being naive. He was head of an underfunded project that was started by someone that had no business trying to make an mmo. the fact that he stuck with it to the bitter end is admirable….Even though I’m sure many saw this coming from a mile away he at least kept his word as best he could.

TarAndfeathers
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TarAndfeathers

VikingGamer TarAndfeathers Thank you, you get what I was trying to say.  I don’t want to see kickstarter become a stain and poison crowdfunding because I think some great things that would otherwise never see the light of day come to fruition.  However, if the venue becomes poison, then it ruins that from happening in general.  Its not so much about ‘buyer beware’ as it is protecting an avenue of funding for the future benefit of the entire market.

goldstariv
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goldstariv

Jaed Armsbend They are probably currently trying to find a way into the racket.. 

Hi, i’m Jeb Bush. Please support my presidential bid by donating to my kickstarter campaign!

_Ariel_
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_Ariel_

Lawl we got yo moneyz nao get rekt

Vexia
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Vexia

Greaterdivinity Koolthulu Which is a really slimy tactic itself, especially if the company is not upfront about the huge risk they’re taking when they use KS as proof of interest. People are expecting that their money actually goes toward the making of the game or product, but instead it’s basically like a loan with little responsibility to follow through with what that money was promised to, and they don’t have to pay it back. It makes me very angry. :(

Jaed
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Jaed

Akami There isn’t any recourse except lawsuit by the backers and the fact that the internet never forgets.

Jaed
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Jaed

Armsbend Don’t think the government can help it that humans are gullible.

eLdritchMD
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eLdritchMD

wjowski we can’t all be soothsayers…. but say, who’s gonna win the super bowl in 2024?

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