Massively OP Podcast: Episode 18

Crazy news week leads to crazy talk on today's podcast, as Justin and Bree talk about Elder Scrolls Online's console launch, SWTOR's expansion reveal, the return of flying to World of Warcraft, and more!

Join us on the podcast as we talk about what we've been playing in MMOs, the top news stories from the past week, and topics that listeners have submitted!

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dionm01
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dionm01

Kordanor dionm01 Thank you thank you, I was wondering if anybody was listening to my comment, the hits have been really weak. I just didn't want to do a WALL of TEXT and bore the readers here it massively OP.  So I appreciate you listening and to all the others (all six if you) thank you.
These are not real hard to produce, but it does take a little time on my part especially when you're driving at the same time you're recording, but it is not distracting enough to worry about.  I do these on a impulse bases while listening to the podcast.
As of this post, I had done all the pre requisites as stated in my audio comment, now I'm on the Rep grind and should take me at least a month or so to complete.  Sad panda, if I was one.  But this is how it is, and hopefully Blizzard will learn from this exercise and next time incorporate flying into the quest structure or some other integration for the next expansion so we as a player wouldn't notice the difference and they themselves would not have to go through the drama that is spawned from this. We as a player's can feel more good about the game and just play to have fun.  Because that is why we're all here.  I'm certainly getting long winded here, so I'll let you go, take care and I'll see you somewhere in game.
Thank you all again,
Dion Markgraf
AKA: Dionsol
Lvl 100 Undead Warlock
Terokkar US

Kordanor
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Kordanor

dionm01 Great comment, completely agree!

TomTurtle
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TomTurtle

Technically true, yes. I would like to think most people calling for impartiality in the case of a news site like MOP aren't asking for an impossible standard though.

agemyth
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agemyth

TomTurtle Ironweakness Impartiality is a myth. We all have biases that affect the way we think and write about things even in reporting news.

agemyth
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agemyth

Zeplini If they are playing and liking that game right now, there is reason to talk about it. If there was notable news about Marvel Heroes in the pervious week, there is another reason to talk about it in the news segment.
It is a popular game. It shouldn't just be ignored.

Bionicall
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Bionicall

BalsBigBrother We mentioned this very thing in the comments section of the levelling tips article Justin wrote. There is nothing to guide a new player when they hit 60. Thanks for that link, I think it is very helpful(even for someone that has many researched the game thoroughly). Especially when it comes to "tiering" the content, describing what you need to face the increasing difficulty of content. Now all we need is something like that in game...

dionm01
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dionm01

My comments while driving home from work regarding WOW Flying Aftermath enjoy. Hopfully you all and see and click on the Sound cloud link. https://soundcloud.com/dion-markgraf-dionsol/dsol-massively-op-ep18-061720151315
Thank you for Listening 
Dion Markgraf
AKA: Dionsol
LVL 100 Undead Warlock 
Terokkar US

Dark Lady Watch Over Ypu

Zeplini
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Zeplini

Please no more about marvel super heroes, seems to be a bit of native advertising :(

Ironweakness
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Ironweakness

Thank you for the response. I know this was not the first ad but it was different with New Egg, Massively OP does not report on hardware retailers, but it does report on MMO developers and games. That's the distinction, that's what led me to inquire about it.
However I realize this is par for the course with radio and podcasting and to be fair I personally don't like it period. It feels dishonest because a person who may or may not actually care one wit about the product is stating the advertisement. It may not technically be personal endorsement, but as a regular listener of several podcasts it has always felt that way.
With Massively OP podcast's obvious affiliation with the news site, that same appearance of personal edorsement when advertising a specific MMO comes across like a conflict of interest, at least to me. Please don't take any of this as an attack on your integrity as individuals or as a business, I've never seen evidence of that, but appearances and reputations matter in business. If enough listeners and readers had the same response that I did, I think that could be harmful in the long run.
Then again, I could be in the minority. I'm being vocal on the Internet and I hear that's usually the case when one is doing such things. I want MOP to be successful so I am 100% behind advertisements as revenue streams but one of the reasons I value this site and the writers is that commitment to integrity. So if there is anything worth taking from this inquiry, know that one listener was concerned by that advertisement and keep your ears to the ground for others who may feel the same.
Agsin, thank you both for responding. I look forward to the podcast next week.

TomTurtle
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TomTurtle

Ironweakness I know on Massively of old they were proud of their ethics, such as for not taking any money to visit events and such. Since the transition, there's been more compromises easing up on such limitations, which some could have come from management of old more than their own desire.
Honestly nothing they've done thus far has really irked me, but I do feel that they can't claim clear conscience impartiality anymore. It's not the end of the world, but it's a bit sad nonetheless. In my mind, I appreciate that they're still up and running and if they have to make such minor concessions, so be it. I'll still keep a careful eye out for anything crossing the line of course.

Aglethe
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Aglethe

Zo5o  Aglethe Midgetsnowman
Entirely possible, like I said, I haven't played in ages, so I was just going off what I remembered.
If they have improved it good on them. =)

breetoplay
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breetoplay

agemyth Ironweakness Honestly, that's my fault. We asked for instruction on what to say (like, Newegg had a specific thing we had to read), and we didn't get it, so I made something up trying to fill time to meet the agreement our sales manager made. I thought something about the expansion would be useful; I didn't mean to make it sound like endorsement of the kind you mean, but I also wanted it to sound more like an ad so that no one was confused into thinking it was native advertising, which we do NOT do, ever.

Zo5o
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Zo5o

Aglethe Midgetsnowman Zo5o I thought they had added a slightly better tutorial for the wheel as part of the NPE revamp?

Enikuo
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Enikuo

Asyluun I don't know. I've seen posters here that didn't want flying back at all, who are now praising the compromise because it requires so much work. They're getting a big kick out of it being a long grind.

Asyluun
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Asyluun

Your discussion on the flying compromise shows how your out of touch with wow your are, it is not a long grind really most it will be done.

I have said this before the hate for WOW that comes across is very bad.

Syppi
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Syppi

Ironweakness Well we were running a NewEgg promo for a while too before the podcast. It's actually similar to what radio stations do, including using on-air personalities to voice the ads, and plenty of other podcasts.

ArenaNet doesn't own us and we don't answer to it. Writers/streamers/podcasters are free to say anything about the studio and its games. They just bought ad time to talk to their key demographic.

From our ethics statement: "MOP is partly funded through advertising, but we will not publish
advertorials, sponsored content, or advertisements that rely on trickery
to be effective. Ad sales will be conducted by a non-editorial staff
member and kept separate from editorial processes."

TierlessTime
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TierlessTime

"Crazy news week leads to crazy talk on today’s podcast, as Justin and Bree talk about Elder Scrolls Online’s console launch, SWTOR’s expansion reveal, the return of flying to World of Warcraft, and more!" I'm sorry you had to cover this.

imayb1
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imayb1

I would LOVE to see an Arabian Nights style MMO. That would be awesome. Black Desert may have some hints in that direction, but we'll have to wait to see more. Promoted that way, though... I'm not sure how it would go over in the current political climate.

imayb1
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imayb1

Zo5o I like researching outside of a game too, but I don't think GW2 is a good example of better-explanations-needed, either. GW2 is very casual-friendly and ascended armor is not difficult to make. If you don't know how to do it, you can easily access the wiki from the game and it's well explained there. Technically, that's off-site, but it's full of everything you might need to play...  Heck, if you don't want to do that, a simple question or two in map chat will get you going without a fuss.

bargamer
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bargamer

If you at all intend to level more than one character to 60, get Cyclops, and get him to level 50. His level 50 Synergy bonus is a stacking +10% XP boost.

I also main Squirrel Girl, and I love playing her as a Minion Master. Soften them up with Death from the Trees, then pummel them with Saboteurs until you get to the summon cap, then Sic Em! I'll let you know how the skill rotation changes once I get to S. Elite Forces and S. Presents! but ATM, I'm too busy getting Cyclops to 50.

Ironweakness
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Ironweakness

Thank you. I had read almost all of those during kickstarter but my memory was a little foggy. I thought somewhere it had said individuals could sponsor but not studios but I guess I was wrong since En Masse is listed.
Objectively, I can see how this promotion of GW2 on the podcast is no different from ads on the website, but it feels different. As though Bree, the editor is personally supporting ArenaNet, rather than the sales department of MOP. Does that make sense?

agemyth
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agemyth

Ironweakness You can make the call for yourself, but game ads on sites/magazines are normal and were on Massively before MOP. Podcast sponsorship seems to be more and more common these days, but outlets in the game industry have struggled for decades on acquiring reliable/regular sponsorships from non-endemic advertisers.
It also took me by a bit of a surprise just hearing it for the first time for whatever reason, but its just an ad not an endorsement. Maybe the weirdness came from Bree telling us to look forward to their upcoming E3+Arenanet related news inside the ad. The two being so close together might have made my brain jump to the idea of "sponsored coverage" for whatever reason. Brains are weird.

agemyth
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agemyth

breetoplay Ironweakness Related screen grabs from the site, the Kickstarter, and the ongoing Patreon:
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Ironweakness
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Ironweakness

Okay. I'm not sure whatbik thinking of then.

Aglethe
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Aglethe

Midgetsnowman Zo5o
Well, I haven't played in over a year, so I don't necessarily know how it works now, but there is/was a way to search through the ability list for keywords. It's tucked off in side panel though and new players are unlikely to understand the significance of those keywords and how they interact. It was also a bit clunky as I recall, but I don't remember the specifics of why.
I do enjoy researching things and theory crafting at times, but I think there's something to be said for good tutorials and having enough solid help and information accessibly available in game for new players to get to grips with (or refresh on) things without having to look up forum guides and Youtube videos.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

Ironweakness Selling ads on our shows has always been part of our plan, on Massively and now on MOP, just like selling ads. That's what this is; a temporary sponsorship during their ad campaign. I'm not sure you're using the word sponsor the way we are, yeah?
There were studios and devs who did pledge during Kickstarter, by the way. They're listed on the credits page if you're curious.

Ironweakness
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Ironweakness

The sponsorship from ArenaNet seems a conflict of interest. I thought you all weren't accepting sponsorship from studios during the Kickstarter for that reason. Has you position on sponsorship from MMO studios changed, or am I misreading the situation?

Midgetsnowman
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Midgetsnowman

Zo5o Thats the prblem though. TSW has a ton of depth. But like they said, getting a handle on the entire ability wheel could take more than a year.

Thats both its biggest curse and its greatest strength. and a tutorial or an easy way to identify synergies would help

BalsBigBrother
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BalsBigBrother

Oh and for the actual question that prompted the conversation I have always thought that if your game has systems in it that require a player to go to any resource outside of the game (be it official / unofficial forums, wiki etc) then you need to take a look at that system and the way your present it.
I am not talking about min / max discussion theory crafting and so on but just to understand it on a basic level then that is a design issue and it needs addressing.  Sadly though "just google it" seems to be a crutch that many games use or expect their players to use /sigh
Oh and while I am on a mini rant if your game does have help in game to explain thing make it so that you can refer to it multiple times or have some way to recall it at a later date.  The times I have had something pop up in the middle of the screen while I am fighting something so I have to dismiss it without reading. Or I have returned to a game and forgotten things but I know there is a help pop up to explain something. However because I saw it a year ago I am apparently supposed to have it ingrained in my brain forever.  GRRRRRRR!
<deep breath, in through the nose out through the mouth, relax>
Heh, good question though :-)

BalsBigBrother
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BalsBigBrother

I tend to agree with you Justin with regard to Marvel Heroes with regard to it not explaining what you need to do at level 60 and it took me a bit of research too  That is one of the main issues that MH falls down on is explaining systems and while they are a little better these days (believe it or not) its still not great. 
Sad thing is they did have a tab in the help section within the game for "Endgame PVE" but it is so out of date these days that it is useless.  They just needed to keep that up dated and it would have been golden.
That said the MH community is pretty friendly and most seem to be willing explain things be it in game or on the forums.

Celestia
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Celestia

Great episode yet again.  I loved hearing that Arenanet sponsored this week's episode. Let's get more studios and dev teams sponsoring!

Zo5o
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Zo5o

Great show guys. It went too fast though. You started on the mail and I thought "they're doing this early this week" then I noticed we were 45 minutes in already. :/ Time flies and all that...
Interesting discussion about Tina's letter. So hard to talk about it without the using the phrase "dumbing down" though. I'm actually one of those people who enjoy researching out of game. I'm not sure using The Secret World as an example of a game that could benefit from simplification was a good idea though. A lot of the fun is experimenting with builds via the skill wheel. Let's be honest, if researching out of game is a problem with you then your going to have issues with investigation missions!

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