Why Guild Wars 2’s prepurchase deal has the internet raging

On the surface, ArenaNet killed it at E3, kicking ass with a much-wanted and huge expansion for Guild Wars 2, one of the biggest MMORPGs in the market. The studio unveiled a massive new guild hall system, one players have been begging for, one that will satisfy everyone from teeny tiny guilds to classic Guild Wars fans. Those devs were riding high. They built it all up, and then they surprise-announced prepurchase tiers for the expansion. Cheering! Expansion! Woohoo! Take my money!

But then gamers got a good look at the tiers and what’s in them and what they cost… and the cheering turned to something else entirely. By Wednesday morning, the faint hum of discontent that began at E3 had turned into a seething rage across Reddit. Our articles on the subject taken together have racked up well over 800 comments as I write this. A single thread on Reddit exhorting players not to prepurchase is nearing 3000 upvotes, more than the subreddit has ever seen on a single topic. The official forums were offline all day Thursday. And through it all, ArenaNet has stayed eerily silent.

Whether you side with the angry mob or have a more nuanced view, Guild Wars 2 is thoroughly bungling its expansion prepurchase.

Massively OP Reporter Larry Everett came into work this morning baffled at all the outrage. “Am I going to get about 50 hours of fun out of it? If yes, then it’s worth the cost… if no, then I’ll not buy it: End of story,” he declared. “It being a Guild Wars 2 game, I’m pretty sure there is more than 50 hours of fun gameplay in it. I don’t see why people are so hostile about it.”

For his sake and yours, I’d like to shed some light on the many reasons some people are so hostile about it.

One group feels misled and tricked into an unnecessary purchase

Until Tuesday evening, ArenaNet encouraged prospective players to purchase the base game as it would be required in order to play the expansion. You might think, “Duh, it’s an expansion, why wouldn’t it be required?” but it was an important distinction since classic Guild Wars campaigns were standalone. Once the tiers were released into the wild, it became obvious that the base game would be bundled into the expansion and that players did not need to shell out for the base game separately. The misleading FAQ was quietly altered, but not before Redditors uploaded screengrabs and splashed them around the internet, leading recent purchasers to feel swindled.

I don’t believe ArenaNet lied. I don’t believe there was some malicious intent to cheat you out of the $10 GW2 sale price you paid a few weeks ago. I do think there was a serious corporate miscommunication snafu, that the FAQ change was dodgy and a terrible call, and that players have a legitimate complaint here. Redditors report that ArenaNet is refunding purchases made in the last 30 days, but that has apparently been the company’s standing policy (some folks report ANet is extending that back to April). Taking the studio up on it does mean losing your account because why wouldn’t it? If you’re playing now, you’re paying now. Either way, for these folks, it’s not about the tenner; it’s about principle and sticking up for yourself when a company goofs.

One group believes the expansion is overpriced

Fifty bucks gets you in the door with beta access. The $75 tier also grants you a character slot worth $10, and some fluff. At $100 down, you also get a stack of gems worth $50, meaning you just bought the base pack and 50 dollars’ worth of gems and got a free character slot out of it, a meager savings of about 15%.

In other words, the tiers aren’t really all that impressive. Whether you believe there’s value in the upper tiers depends primarily on how much you care about beta and what kind of fluff you like. I love fluff, especially armor and weapon skins, but I don’t give a crap about minipets, gliders, finishers, or guild hall junk, so from my perspective, the upper tiers aren’t worth their asking price at all, and the bottom tier seems a tad high. I am best off with a $50 tier and buying my gems as I need them and my character slots when they go on sale.

For comparison’s sake, consider that we paid $50 for Warlords of Draenor and a level 90 character booster, which alone costs $50 $60. ArcheAge’s $50 founder package came with beta, head-start, a title, a glider, a month of sub, and credits worth $20 (its $100 and $150 packages included $80 and $120 in combined sub fees and credits, respectively). Closer to home, Guild Wars’ $35 Eye of the North expansion preorder package deal included a sneak peek weekend, special weapons, time-limited access to the standalone campaigns, and a free copy of the Bonus Mission Pack’s special missions and skins. In light of competitor pricing, I think that $35, $50, and $75 for the three tiers, intact, would have made far more sense.

I don’t feel so strongly about this that I’m going to join the boycott, but it’s not outrageous to argue that in this market, this product is overpriced. But again, we’re talking about a few dollars here either way.

One group is seriously pissed that newbies are getting a great deal

This is the least compelling argument for me. It goes like this: A newcomer to the game puts down $50 and gets the original game, the expansion, and the five character slots that come with the base game. Someone who’s poured hundreds of dollars into the game over the last three years also pays $50, gets no discount for already owning the original game, and gets no fresh character slots (something the classic GW standalone campaigns did because they added a new class, just as Heart of Thorns will).

There’s always an undercurrent of resentment in the gaming community when games go on sale or reduce in price after launch, and I really, really do not like the elitism from vets one bit. This is how our industry works. Do I throw a tantrum when Skyrim, for which I paid $100 years ago, is five bucks on Steam? No. I had years of play, while the guy finally shelling out $5 missed out when the franchise was in its heyday. Let him in. Maybe he’ll make me some mods. Similarly, there is no MMO in existence that won’t benefit from attracting some fresh blood, especially new players willing to pay for quality video games.

That said, ArenaNet probably should have thrown its loyalists a bone to engender a fresh round of goodwill and soften them up for that $50 price point. That’s a standard way to keep existing customers happy and virally promoting their games. Hey, I know! How about a free character slot so we can roll up a Revenant? Yeah! Great idea, internet!

One group feels there’s insufficient expansion info to justify a prepurchase at any price

These folks are right too. We don’t know when the expansion is launching. We don’t know the full extent of what’s going into the game. ArenaNet will take the rest of the summer to roll that out, and it really needed something big and flashy to get people back into Guild Wars 2 this weekend as Final Fantasy XIV Heavensward launches and World of Warcraft patches. But that’s not our problem; we’re the consumer. And for us, buying something without full information is usually a bad idea, especially if there’s a chance the information, once revealed, might affect our decision-making. Sometimes it won’t; there are people, like my husband and I, who know they are going to get the expansion at some point no matter what and it’s just a matter of when. But a lot of gamers haven’t decided whether to come back yet. This fiasco might help them make up their minds in a way ArenaNet doesn’t like.

Back to you, angry mob

I don’t have extreme insider knowledge about the inner workings of ArenaNet management. But one thing I’m pretty sure of is that ArenaNet is a big, unwieldy beast and that PR fiascos are a way of life there as they are for any large gaming company. This is one of the bigger screw-ups in a long history of big ones for ANet, but it won’t be the last, no matter how much Reddit rages. And the worst part is that the mega-patch coming next week and all the emerging details on guild halls have been utterly subsumed by this argument.

Does a pricing quarrel justify going apeshit on ANet? No it does not. Have some perspective, folks. We’re talking about a few bucks and a video game here. And a lot of the devs at ArenaNet have no hand at all in these decisions, so lashing out at artists and designers and community managers is pointless, never mind rude.

Should you hold ArenaNet accountable? Absolutely. We are all stunned that the studio has made no public statement on the whole ordeal. We’re all still waiting. I don’t think this will go away on its own, and what ANet does next will color the expansion’s launch months from now.

Is this a fair debate for the MMO community to have? Sure. But do it reasonably and rationally. If you’re using the words “entitled” or “slap in the face” or “boycott,” you’re doing it wrong.

And should you prepurchase the expansion?

That, folks, is entirely up to you, your wallet, and your conscience.

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PiscesCardinale
PiscesCardinale

don't buy the expansion,the game should be free to play,it isn't right to get expansion restrictions,they could simply  take money from in game skins or armors

eLdritchMD
eLdritchMD

don't preorder games/expansions. Don't really have anything else to say :P

Vexies
Vexies

The price tag is right where I expected it to be so no surprise there. I do see the reason people would of wanted / expected a character slot though. It does seem a bit over the top to expect vets to have to purchase a character slot in addition to the game.

Grimmtooth
Grimmtooth

It only came in at $10 more than I was expecting for regular expansion. I guess that could be explained by the inclusion of the base game.


The base game being sold over the past 6 as being required for the expansion seems more like a bureaucratic snafu than an evil plot to rule the universe after they steal our underpants.


The option I don't get is the $75 middle one. If your going to want the extra bells and whistles the super duper $100 edition is a much better value.


I'm in the shut up and take my money ANet camp when HoT was originally announced


PS <sigh> still no tag for grimmtooth :(

VilleUusitalo
VilleUusitalo

NcSoft as publishers and you guys feel butt-hurt for being bent over and backwards... NcSoft is almost like Perfect World or Gameforge nowadays in West. In Korea they try to keep some substantial act together but then again - they drain the money for doing just that -> from Western audience.


GL with Asian companies... They have no substance - and drain the player substance of Western players to zero if possible.

RemyVorender
RemyVorender

The wife and I will be skipping HoT until it goes on sale. The expansion is too small to warrant the $50 IMO.

Kurogane335
Kurogane335

@Nreff What is left to discuss ? There is clearly two groups that won't find common ground. The blind supporters of ANet latest move and those who oppose it. There isn't a point in dissuading it anymore, not after what, almost 1500 comments in total on MOP alone ?

raincoat
raincoat

@Kurogane335 @Nreff Just for interest's sake, I see at least five groups: those who unconditionally support Anet, those who spew toxic hatred because they disagree, those who think it's too expensive but voice their views reasonably, those who will wait and see whether they are interested in making this purchase and those who have already evaluated the deal and find that they're fine with it. Even these groups don't encompass everyone. GW2 has a pretty big playerbase so it only makes sense that there are so many different reactions and I think most players would appreciate it if you didn't just toss everyone into narrow categories based on such a simplistic judgement.

Psykitty
Psykitty

 Honestly I'm just upset on how they handled this whole thing. The whole FAQ telling people to buy the game because you need it to play expansion and having sales then changing it suddenly and then switching the wording on the FAQ after you get caught was not a good thing. Then when somebody asks about the core game being included and maybe getting the update separate They get told that it will not be done. And the reason they gave was to help new players get into the expansion/game.  Ok that good but why only the new players. Why not help both. If you can give the game away to new players then you can give character slots to those upgrading. Its simple math on that.   On of the things that really set people on edge was the first response people got to their comments Some one posted "if you look at the world through the cold cynical eyes of economics" and the dev simply responded with "You rang?" I would like to clarify the price seems pretty reasonable to me save that I would have liked a character slot and the extras needed to be a bit more in line with a preorder type extras I mean look at how DDO treated their expansions it's free to play and if you look back they had great items and the preorder price was worth it.   There are other games that have great preorder bonuses.   Standard pricing is decent considering that they don't charge for other content that are future release. But they have to get a hold of this now waiting will only make things worst. 

Hurbster
Hurbster

Hmmm, might go back an play the original GW for a bit.

Dookii
Dookii

The fact that they cowardly took the forums down for so long says it all.

raincoat
raincoat

@Dookii Forums were crashing earlier, but all's in working order now.

Dookii
Dookii

@Nreff @Dookii uhm.....

.......

..................... that is exactly what i was saying?

So ..very fitting selfpotrait you put up there.

Dookii
Dookii

@raincoat @Dookii that was a very big and long lasting "crash" then.

very convenient to for that period of time.


im impressed.

Sunken Visions
Sunken Visions

Ah, the tribulations of an over-hyped, vertical progression MMO with a cash shop. Seriously, do people really think they own these virtual items? Do people really think their in-game time amounts to actual work? If you don't like the cost, don't buy it. If you don't like being suckered, then stop expecting game companies to be anything but a business.

Dookii
Dookii

@spacecampclan So just bend over and take it willingly while you give them money...



right, gotcha!

AvatarOP
AvatarOP

@spacecampclan vertical progression ? well, maybe over there along Esofu and the other suit boardroom designed games.

Sunken Visions
Sunken Visions

@Dookii @spacecampclan Did you not read what I said? Who is forcing you to give them money? If you're stupid enough to pay for something without seeing it, then you get what you deserve.

Dookii
Dookii

@spacecampclan @Dookii ehm... people did see the content. they even got to play it .

What they did not see comming is how they lied to them about it.

VilleUusitalo
VilleUusitalo

@spacecampclan Actually interesting point... basically all the companies have intellectual property rights to all items you "own" in their game.


Basically - p2w players pour billions of dollars into game without actually owning any of what they pay for... Brilliant pyramid-scam scheme lol

anarres
anarres

I find disturbing the times I see raging accounts like: "I played from day one, I spent 4000 USD in gems, and look (offended argument about others)". 4000 is one of, there is 8000, there is 300-800 on new account, etc.


The pattern of the argument is not new. It goes exactly like every pay4benefits games communities see. Pay more, think you deserve more than those 'new players who never supported ANet'. It's a pattern I see often in their worse form in pay2win games of all kinds.

If I needed one more case to convince me cash shop = pay for ingame benefits is screwing communities (I didn't), here it is.

VilleUusitalo
VilleUusitalo

@anarres well basically if you spend 10k USD for getting the upper hand over other players you would propably fill all the criteria for the Seven Sins and Deserve to die poor lol


In other words - if you try so hard to get the "edge" over others - then I dont see its wrong for them losing their IRL moneys^_^ Simple as that lol

ge0ff
ge0ff

I can't help but feel betrayed by arena net, I've been a long standing guild wars fan from the beginning all the way to pre-eye of the north. And every time we ever got an expansion, it ALWAYS came with a character slot bonus.  I could care less about new players getting the core game with them, but for those of us who already own the game to get nothing in return, not even a free character slot unless we fork over 75USD, that's completely unacceptable. I'm going to hold off on any form of purchasing the expansion until I'm assured that I'll be getting a free character slot for purchasing the standard edition.  Something that has come standard on all other expansions should be expected, not behind a 25 dollar price gouge.

AvatarOP
AvatarOP

@ge0ff buy the slot in game, for like 10$ ?


and IF you played enough to fill all your toon slots... i mean... its not like GW2 have been that expensive, right ?



Leilonii
Leilonii

@AvatarOP @R3vision I don't even want this expansion cause I don't play GW2 and even I think this situation is pretty dumb. ANet screwed up and I don't think they even realized this was the reaction they were going to get. Really I'm not sure which is worse.

carsont
carsont

Let's not forget there's no subscription fee. Sure, WOD might have been $50, but if you've been playing it since release, congratulations you've just spent $155 for WoD (assuming you've paid your subscription with cash and not gold, and even then that's recent).


It's true, the scope of the expansion isn't fully known, so it's hard to judge if it's worth the value. So.. wait? Or - how do you judge the value? If there's 3 new "zones" is that too few, and thus it's a rip off? How many zones make it worth it - what is the cost per zone, so to speak? What if you get 10 zones but they are all small, or you get one but it's enormous?


The arguments seem a bit silly and arbitrary to me. $50 for the expansion, seems totally reasonable. I look at it like this - a movie ticket is about $15 depending on where you live. That's about two hours of entertainment. $50 of movies (without food, and let's face is there's ALWAYS food) would be around 5 hours or so of entertainment.


If you get more than that, which you almost certainly will, then you've come ahead of the millions of people who spend their money on movies! Well done!

Midgetsnowman
Midgetsnowman

@carsont The no sub fee only holds water if you assume nobody ever used the cash shop. And if thats true, Gw2 should be long shuttered.


In short, you can stop beating a dead horse of an argument.

carsont
carsont

@Midgetsnowman @carsont Why is it a dead horse argument? Sure, people can use the cash shop, if they chose to, but they can play the game completely unrestricted if they don't. It's a great cash shop, it's not intrusive and doesn't restrict you from doing anything in any way.


If you makes you feel better, think of the expansion in the cash shop, then, and you can pay for it or not.


Honestly, though, what is your counter argument, or do you even have one? Is that because some people spent some amount of money on the shop (perhaps a little, perhaps none, perhaps a lot), then the expansion should be cheaper because.... running the servers and maintaining the game etc. costs nothing?


So let's hear it.

AvatarOP
AvatarOP

@Midgetsnowman @carsont i just think that if people are complaining that it is too expensive and making such a fuss over it... its because they want it. badly.


just kids.


and WoW/FF14 have cash shops too. and i SERIOUSLY DOUBT that the average amount a player in gw2 spend in the cash shop is 15/month.

more like less than 5 if you count the average for all players (i personally played 2k hours and payed 45 in the cash shop)

carsont
carsont

@Midgetsnowman @carsont I'm sorry, I'm not getting it. In essence, my argument is that paying for a product is reasonable, and, in comparison to other, as common, forms of entertainment is fairly inexpensive.


It has nothing to do with anyone spending anything in the cash shop, those cash shops are, I presume, what pays for the maintenance of the game (i.e. salaries, servers, content etc.).


So, if I'm understanding correctly, are you saying that the expansion should be free because some people paid for the upkeep of the game and that any new, substantive content shouldn't cost a dime (because new, minor content doesn't outside of optional cash shop purchases).

groo the wanderer
groo the wanderer

@carsont Yeah I see the point you are trying to make but I just keep thinking that 50 dollars will buy me ten games in the steam sale lol 

Midgetsnowman
Midgetsnowman

@carsont @Midgetsnowman My counterargument is that your entire argument assumes anyone and everyone complaining has never once ever stepped foot in the cash shop and also has played regularly for 3 years and is therefore some mega super-freeloader just trying to ask for handouts, which is an epic strawman.

Amphax
Amphax

I'm confused...can we still buy just the GW2 base game with no expansion? I was looking on the website the other day and I didn't see it...

AvatarOP
AvatarOP

@Amphax nope.


but for 50$... i mean... one of your best gaming purchase ever that'll be.

AvatarOP
AvatarOP

@Amphax tell your friend he should sell his body for it if he's strapped for cash. worth it...

anarres
anarres

@Amphax I assume it can still be found at resellers. I didn't look more than the first couple options and didn't see it though.

Amphax
Amphax

Dang...OK thanks you two.

I was thinking about getting the game for $10 for a friend but I missed the sale. Oh wells.

dabkilm
dabkilm

@AvatarOP @Amphax He could've bought the base game for $10 as well which as of righ tnow is the arguably better purchase.

ApoloApolo
ApoloApolo

Its the one-two punch of:

-One group believes the expansion is overpriced

and

-One group feels there’s insufficient expansion info to justify a prepurchase at any price


That is going to get them.

EO_Lonegun
EO_Lonegun

This is the sad state of our modern gaming culture. The people who have the time to post all over Reddit and rage day and night need to learn that the real power they have over ANet resides in their pocketbook. If you really want to stick it to ANet then don't give them your money.

Of course we do live in a world of entitlement so maybe my point is moot. But then again I am too busy working 40+ hours a week to be able spend my money any way I want. Most likely I will get the ultimate edition of HoT and not even feel that I have been screwed over by ANet.

Midgetsnowman
Midgetsnowman

@Nreff @Midgetsnowman @EO_Lonegun Us millenials are too busy being pissed that the previous generations told us if we did all the stuff they did, we'd end up employed and decently well off. and now are being called lazy nonetheless >_>

Midgetsnowman
Midgetsnowman

@EO_Lonegun blah blah blah tired entitlement argument people have been using since plato about lazy kids these days

Serrenity
Serrenity

Thanks Bree :) Love it reasoned responses to insanity.  

My take for the little it's worth: 

  • I don't care they gave the base game away - I've logged way more time than the value of the game. 
  • I'm mildly annoyed at the packages.  I'm not raging, but the pre-purchase packages are pretty shit-tastic.  I got more from Landmark founders pack than this is offering.  
  • Will I buy the expansion?  Almost definitely, but I'm not touching this till it has shaken out.  ANet is no doubt deciding what to do and how to respond, and I'll wait and see what happens after that.  
  • Overall, this is blown WAY out of proportion.  Its not that it's not an important conversation, but there's no need for the rage when civil discourse works much better.

AvatarOP
AvatarOP

@Serrenity since you're buying the xpac at 50$ no matter what...


i mean.


...yeah, it's going to be a blast :)

Serrenity
Serrenity

@Midgetsnowman @Serrenity In a perfect world, Civil discourse would mean that people could say, "hey I feel like this a little unfair.  Can we talk about this?" and ANet would say, "Oh crap, you know we didn't think about from that perspective.  here's what we were thinking ..... " 

And would continue like that until a resolution was reached.  But right now, gamers are too mouth-foamy to have that dialogue, and ANet (any major dev actually) still won't talk it's customers like they are real people, and instead continue to speak through these crazy sanitized, horribly impersonal press releases.  

Midgetsnowman
Midgetsnowman

@Serrenity @Midgetsnowman I think thats rather unfair as a critique because yeah, gamers can be mouth foamy, but I dont think thats the majority, but I do think filtering everything through PR just makes it so much worse.

Serrenity
Serrenity

@Midgetsnowman @Serrenity Not everyone is, but a very loud minority are.  My basic point is that while i would love to have that dialogue, both sides have to "grow" a little bit to make it work.  And the more PR the game companies speak, the more people rage, the more people rage, the more companies want to speak in PR.  

Midgetsnowman
Midgetsnowman

@PrettyPixie @Serrenity @Midgetsnowman Yeah. Lumping everything with the crazies just tells the people trying to have a reasoned debate that nobody is going to listen to you. Thats exactly how wildstar's epic downslide began.

Midgetsnowman
Midgetsnowman

@Serrenity I'd wager civil discourse means anet would completely ignore the issue and tell us to fuck off (in a pr friendly way)


But I'm cynical.

PrettyPixie
PrettyPixie

@Serrenity @Midgetsnowman There's a fair bit of reasoned arguments going around of the official forums. Anet themselves have chosen to lump it all together with the crazies in one thread.


Them ignoring it for 3 days while CJ has been replying to other threads while ignoring the issues isn't going to go over well.