BioWare comments on SWTOR’s chair exploit

Did you hear about that temple chair decoration exploit in Star Wars: The Old Republic? In a nutshell, the chair could be purchased for one credit and sold back for 100, which is obviously not what BioWare wanted or intended.

Community manager Eric Musco warned players that buying and selling the chair is considered an exploit, and that it will be fixed as soon as possible. He also noted that once the fix happens, BioWare will take action against players who disregarded the warnings and continued to abuse the exploit.

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tiền âm phủ

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Toại Nguyễn Văn

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Trinh Hong Van

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syberghost
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syberghost

Fathdris Peregrine_Falcon or, here’s an idea:

If you know something is wrong, don’t do it, whether you think you’ll get in trouble for it or not. If you do it, and get in trouble, don’t act indignant about how it’s not fair because you didn’t know you’d get caught.

Character is how you act when you think nobody is looking.

Fathdris
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Fathdris

Peregrine_Falcon Game developers can make mistakes, and those mistakes can get missed by QA… But when game devs start issuing warnings, that’s when you need to pay attention. If you ignore those warnings, you deserve to be punished.

Fathdris
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Fathdris

blast tyrant Only selling back to the vendor is the exploit.Duping players is mean, but not against the rules (Free market)

syberghost
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syberghost

Peregrine_Falcon syberghost Skyewauker this isn’t punishing other people for BioWare’s mistake; this is punishing them for the choice they freely make to take advantage of the mistake. Unless there is an alien slug in your brain forcing you to exploit the error, you are a human being capable of making choices. You’ve been warned what the outcome of this choice will be. Choose wisely.

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mysecretid

Peregrine_Falcon mysecretid syberghost Skyewauker 
They took in-game advantage and profit in a way which the owners of the game would have forbidden, had they been aware.
It’s the same principle which defines real-world theft — they gained something they would never have gotten permission to own by taking advantage of someone else’s unintentional vulnerability.
If somebody takes something they’re not allowed to have — even if it’s in-game currency (which is still a means of in-game power) there are going to be repercussions. That’s why they get punished.
If you still don’t see it, that’s your right. You asked, I answered. I plan to go post something else now. :-)

Be well.

Peregrine_Falcon
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Peregrine_Falcon

mysecretid syberghost Skyewauker 
People keep making this comparison, but it doesn’t hold water. NOTHING WAS STOLEN.
Since when is it ok for someone to punish someone ELSE for THEIR mistake?

mysecretid
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mysecretid

Peregrine_Falcon syberghost Skyewauker 
My problem is, if you extend this way of thinking, you get into situations like this: You forget to lock your front door when you leave for work; thieves enter your home and take all your stuff (stuff they were never intended to access or possess in this manner), and … you can’t call the police or press charges, because this would be punishing the thieves for your mistake?
One can counter that “stealing is illegal”, but laws against theft exist, in part, to forbid this very sort of opportuunistic behavior against the unintentionally vulnerable.
Mistakes are inevitable;mistakes are a part of living. I can’t see how making an unintentional error automatically allows others to lay hands on something they were never intended to have, against the express wishes of the original owner.
Cheers,

Peregrine_Falcon
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Peregrine_Falcon

syberghost Skyewauker 
I understand how complex thousands or millions of lines of code can be. I’m just against the idea of punishing other people for your mistakes, and that’s what this is.
I’m not even talking about the SWTOR developers as pretty much all dev teams do this.

syberghost
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syberghost

Koolthulu Yes, it’s true; if you spend infinite money and have infinite testers, you can theoretically find every possible bug, including those that don’t even show up in the test environment at all.

But people won’t pay infinite dollars per month for a sub to fund it. Bloody short-sighted of them if you ask me.

syberghost
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syberghost

Telos_ you’re guessing wrong. It was in bold text in the launcher.

syberghost
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syberghost

Peregrine_Falcon you are clearly not a programmer, then. Because there is no such thing as a bug-free program. Even NASA produces bugs, and if game devs tried their QA processes we’d be paying $15,000,000 subs instead of $15.

Skyewauker
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Skyewauker

Peregrine_Falcon Have you ever made typos?  I’d bet you a C note that you have.  Now imagine thousands up thousands of lines of code.  You are talking millions of millions of characters that , for the most part, aren’t actual words.  Now imagine you are working on it.  Now do it without one single typo… 
Better yet, go type up a paper and use their and there wrong.  Spell check it.  99% of the time it wont flag because its spelled right.  Debugging works the same way.  You compile and run and if no errors are returned, you are normally good to go.  This is something that could be as simple as a 0 being left off the buy value.
Give it a rest man.  You aren’t perfect.  Neither are they.

BigMikeyOcho
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BigMikeyOcho

ThunderJackson They could. Unless they pay attention to the IP address those accounts are made and logging in from…

BigMikeyOcho
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BigMikeyOcho

qweazdak RicharddeLeonIII Ignorance of the law is no excuse either. And the lawmakers in the case are the devs. It’s their game, they make the rules. And when they specifically say that it’s an exploit, and you still do it? The analogy works.

JakeDunnegan
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JakeDunnegan

qweazdak RicharddeLeonIII If you’ve gone so far as to find this exploit out, and then do it repeatedly – AFTER being warned about it – then the analogy works. I mean, you’d have to be painfully stupid to ignore/not see all the signs  (in game chat, forum warnings, these types of posts, etc) – and still do the thing that gets you penalized.

blast tyrant
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blast tyrant

Auction house on the Ebon Hawk is full of stacks of 99 temple chairs right now, presumably on the assumption that while selling to vendors is an exploit, tricking other players into buying them is not.  I wonder where Bioware is coming down? Personally I wouldn’t risk it.

Bobuster
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Bobuster

squidgod2000 The warnings went out 2 hours after the server went online: there wasn’t much time to exploit it before the warnings.

BioWare stated that even those that exploited it before the warning will be punished.

qweazdak
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qweazdak

RicharddeLeonIII I am not sure if thats the right analogy. Stealing a car is a well known law. Buying/selling chairs in-game is against the rules is not.

mysecretid
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mysecretid

dragonwhimsy Telos_ 
Yeah, someone at EA mentioned what you said, Dragon. Someone buying a few chairs and selling them back is making housing decorating choices — someone buying thousands of chairs and selling them back is very obviously exploiting. Even the biggest guild halls in-game don’t have thousands of hooks for chairs in them.

XanadoX
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XanadoX

Damonvile XanadoX No, but if you call exploit everything done that  ‘this was not the way it was meant’…. we will end playng Dragon’s Lair.

RicharddeLeonIII
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RicharddeLeonIII

They are only human, mistakes will eventually make it through. As for punishing players, something as obvious as this deserves punishment if they take advantage of it. If someone leaves ther car door unlocked, it doesnt make you less of an asshole if you steal it.

SuppliesATK
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SuppliesATK

Why is it when you want to cheat, you grab a chair? What is this, WWF?

Peregrine_Falcon
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Peregrine_Falcon

I’ve never liked that game developers will make a mistake and then punish the players for it.

Tamanous
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Tamanous

Fred1z1 Kay?

Damonvile
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Damonvile

XanadoX Are you seriously trying to justify this as roll playing ?

zoward
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zoward

DigitalQ karmamule Right down the street from my place of employ…

DigitalQ
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DigitalQ

karmamule  sorry It only works at the one in Natick MA “/

karmamule
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karmamule

I’m rushing down to Jordan’s Furniture now to see if it’ll work in RL….

salidar
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salidar

ThunderJackson you realise everything in the game, including the money, is trackable? So you make all that money on your throwaway account, then what? Send it to someone, trade it? They will have a record of that. Better to not do it at all than to risk your account.

XanadoX
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XanadoX

Bioware’s mistakes are exploits…
MMO yes, RPG…. only when you follow Bioware orders.
How long It takes to change the price of the chair????

Damonvile
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Damonvile

dragonwhimsy Telos_ You can almost hear the knuckles dragging, mouth breathing as they explain the logic behind it not being their fault.

ThunderJackson
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ThunderJackson

Can’t people just make throwaway F2P accounts to keep on exploiting?

BKone
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BKone

rofl good ole’ EA….

Janio2
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Janio2

dragonwhimsy Telos_ lol, that 1000 credits that like 4 mob packs at max level. I remeber the alterac valley exploit in wow,  went there just look if was true.

Midgetsnowman
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Midgetsnowman

Geez. I mean, I’d use an explouit lie this in a second in a singleplayer game (like my beloved star ocean games)..but in an MMO, thats kinda scummy

Janio2
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Janio2

Rolf first the up roar about not being able to sit in chairs in the world ( exept I think in your own spaceship). Then the up roar about the /emote chair being in cartel packs . Then the silly youtubers crying till now about that you need to pay real money to sit, which isn’t realy true, because the /e amote are sold on Galactic Trade Network ( auctionhouse) for about 70%. of F2P gold cap That about 2euro’s. And now this Rolf :p.

Darthbawl
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Darthbawl

dragonwhimsy Telos_ But… But… But I really really like chairs! :D

dragonwhimsy
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dragonwhimsy

Telos_ If you buy that chair 1000 times and sell it to a vendor, I’m thinking you knew. It’s not hard for Bioware to figure out. ;)

Telos_
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Telos_

And how will they determine if they knew or not?  Did Bioware send out any in-game warnings?  I’m guessing not.

schlag sweetleaf
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schlag sweetleaf
squidgod2000
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squidgod2000

Congrats, people who exploited the hell out of this before the warnings.

ihatevnecks
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ihatevnecks

Memories of the oldschool pottery exploit in EQ, where a certain pie tin recipe produced a product that sold for like 100x what it cost to make. And then when they fixed it, their fix was to raise the cost of one of the mats (the mold I think) – so everyone who had a bank full of them made even MORE money because they could sell those molds back to NPCs for a massive profit over what they bought for.

wjowski
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wjowski

Chairgate

Koolthulu
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Koolthulu

If only there was a way to test for this kind of thing before it went public.

Fred1z1
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Fred1z1

Who cares. SWTOR is gonna change soon anyways..

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