World of Warcraft announces Legion expansion with Demon Hunter class, Broken Isles continent; beta this year

The liveblog is after the cut. Here are the highlights!

Blizzard has just announced World of Warcraft’s next expansion: Legion. Blizzard’s Tom Chilton says that the initial video is “connecting tissue” between Warlords of Draenor and the next expansion. It shows Gul’dan is setting up the events in the next expansion. Spoilers: It’s Illidan. Here’s what the trailer and presentation promises for Legion:

  • New continent: Broken Isles
  • New Demon Hunter class for Night Elves and Blood Elves with a unique experience akin to the Death Knight’s; it has two specs, one for DPS and one for tanking
  • Raised level to 110
  • New dungeons and raids
  • New PvP honor system with a PvP talent tree of sorts that reduces levels’ importance in PvP (it’s a bit like GW2 or FFXIV)
  • Artifact weapons (it’s like LotRO’s LIs + an awesome customization tree), along with weapon visual customization
  • Class “order halls”
  • The “biggest demonic invasion of Azeroth ever”
  • Titans are involved; so is the Emerald Dream (but it’s a raid)
  • Dalaran is coming back as the main hub (hell yeah!)
  • DOUBLE-JUMP
  • Beta begins this year! No release date was given.
  • The official site will be here: http://us.battle.net/wow/legion/

Blizzard promises that the lore lead-up to the new expansion will take place in the game prior to its launch. Eliot’s whole liveblog with more info is down in the comments!

From before the stream…

Well, dear readers, it’s that time again, the time for the announcement of a new World of Warcraft expansion. Are you excited? Are you just hoping, possibly against hope, that this will be a step up after the most recent expansion? Are you a bit peckish? Are you worried that thing on your shoulder has gotten infected? Do you think I’ve been playing a bit too much of The Stanley Parable lately? Please, there are no wrong answers.

Yes, there’s an announcement today, I’ll be liveblogging it in the comments whilst Bree keeps this post updated with big news. Expect commentary, laughs, thrills, and hopefully we’ll all learn something along the way. The title, for example; I don’t relish the thought of referring to the title as “Unnamed WoW Expansion Number Six” for the next three years.


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And here are the trailers!

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Gas Chamber Gerhan
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Gas Chamber Gerhan

It’s so sad gamesworkshop are such retards and turn down blizzards game pitches, World of Warhammer, or a WH40k mmo would of been leagues and leagues better then this nonsensical drivel that has become WoW’s patchwork lore monster.

Gas Chamber Gerhan
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Gas Chamber Gerhan

DrowNoble TraylorAlan Blizzard doesn’t really care, people want artifact / legendary items and this is their way of giving it to the masses.  They want everyone to feel like a special snowflake, without actually being on.

DrowNoble
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TraylorAlan DrowNoble They have not officially stated what level DH’s start at.  All they said is that they are testing out starting around 95.  Again, I think it would fit more with the lore if you start at 70 and be 75-80 by the time you finish the DH intro area.  Just dropping me back into Draenor is going to get boring quick.

It’s nice that you can have a varied Ashbringer, but my point is … Every Paladin Has Ashbringer.  It trivializes what it meant to wield that weapon.  So what if you have a flaming Ashbringer and I have a spikey Ashbringer, we’re still wielding the same sword and our only option is to transmog it with already existing models.

SomniumWintersun
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SomniumWintersun

rawhunger  Evil will always triumph because good is dumb.

RyanMahaffey
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RyanMahaffey

shaw sbst TomTurtle comments like this piss me off, at WoD, they announced TONS of stuff that they didn’t even know was really going to be in the game, for Legion, they announced to concrete Definite features. which is great.

RyanMahaffey
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RyanMahaffey

shaw sbst No, this is main universe Azeroth, watch the damn reveal trailer.

RyanMahaffey
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RyanMahaffey

feldur MikedotFoster Class halls have no city functionality like the Garrisons could have, and your Class hall followers give you missions for world content, dungeons, ect, so in reality, it is hardly like a garrison.

ColdinT
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ColdinT

Damn. Blew past the record. Guess WoW is still very relevant. :P

theeknighthood
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theeknighthood

TheGremmel TheGremmel will not be buying this expansion, quickly someone let Blizzard know they may as well can the entire project now, there is just no point on continuing, he has been around since the original beta for goodness sake Blizzard!

aSlightDrizzle
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aSlightDrizzle

TraylorAlan DrowNoble They haven’t actually confirmed what level Demon Hunters will start at, they’ve only said it’ll be between 90 and 100. They have yet to finalise the starting level. My money’s on 95 though, gives them 5 levels to play with during their starting area.

TraylorAlan
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TraylorAlan

DrowNoble Demon Hunters start at 100—you roll right into the expansion upon character creation. As for artifact weapons, in theory they come with dozens of unlockable skins each, and should also be moggable. Plenty of variation.

DrowNoble
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DrowNoble

Further reading I’m kinda up and down about Legion.

On the plus side, they seem to have realized that homogenizing the classes was a bad thing.  The whole “bring the player, not the class”, seemed good on paper but it meant each Tank spec had to tank the same, one DPS had to essentially be no different from another, and so on.   Which got to be a bit boring, to me at least.  Bring back melee-Survival Hunters is great.

On the down side, no weapon drops At All?  I’m still kinda bothered by this.  Every paladin having Ashbringer, trivializes what it means to wield Ashbringer.  Without any “new” weapon models, our only options will be to transmog from current existing models.

I also think starting Demon Hunters at 95 (or so) is a bad idea.  If we go by the new lore, Illidan sent them out on a suicide mission during BC.  That would mean you should start at level 70, which was the cap during BC.  Just like how DK’s got 3 levels in their starter area, the DH’s should get 5 or so in theirs.  I don’t want to make my DH then have to do the Same Draenor Stuff all over again right off the bat.

agemyth
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agemyth

ManastuUtakata Jack Pipsam Mochaccino That is pretty much what happens with any mmo that gets a decade+ in age while still getting occasional visual updates. It is not worth the artist manpower to redo every asset/model in the game to keep everything consistent every time they decide it is time to raise their polycount goal.

agemyth
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agemyth

Just checked in to make sure we broke the comment record :) Congrats MOP!

AndrewCorona
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AndrewCorona

TheGremmel It’s not Garrisons at all this is a place a hub for your Class everyone of your “class” mates will be there I am assuming it will be both horde and ally alike but its not something for you to focus on or stay at Dal is the main hub do not worry you have a few followers they said “More meaningful” Which means no army build up but they said send these few followers to unlock areas for you to explore and do a quest there for it might be few in number but it wont be them doing the work for you.

JakeBoller
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JakeBoller

TraylorAlan Same here, Survival Hunter might be my main in Legion. I loved playing a Hunter in Vanilla. I was a hybrid BM/Surv and I enjoyed the hell out of being able to lay down some wicked Raptor Strikes. They ruined the class for me when they took away melee weapons.

TraylorAlan
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TraylorAlan

The hunter change sounds awesome. I might actually play a hunter now—I have always liked the aesthetic, but prefer melee. Win.

kurweezy_
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kurweezy_

Telos_ kurweezy_ Yeah it really was. It rivals WOTLK as one of my favorites.

Telos_
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Telos_

kurweezy_ MoP was an okay xpac.  People just hate it because of pandas.

Tinabeanses
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Tinabeanses

ManastuUtakata StevenPollock The convention centre is crazy for random coloured lighting that vaguely resemble giant insect-killing structures :D

Greaterdivinity
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Greaterdivinity

mourasaint http://www.gamespot.com/articles/wows-next-expansions-already-planned/1100-6429583/
Blizzard disagrees, and to think there wouldn’t be is silly.

Greaterdivinity
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Greaterdivinity

eqjase1 If double jump is that compelling, I suggest WildStar : P

dorn2
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dorn2

meltedskul 
WoW has never had an expansion raise sub in excess of 4 million.  I’m pretty sure roughly 3 million is the best they’ve ever managed.

ManastuUtakata
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ManastuUtakata
Nacho Biz
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Nacho Biz

mourasaint Mochaccino We are on the precipice of the VR age. Blizzard would be unwise, if they let someone else be the first to make the leap to VRMMOs.

ManastuUtakata
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ManastuUtakata

Icy Veins follow up interview to yesterday’s Legion reveal with 2/3 devs that presented it. Some *small* qualifiers where added, such a no weapon drops in Legion. And Hunter changes WTF’kery:
http://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/13199-wow-legion-details-at-gamescom-interview-with-tom-chilton-ion-hazzikostas/
h/o to Blizzard Watch

breetoplay
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breetoplay

Chuki792 Anyone remember what that was at? 1500? I can find the post in the internet archive, but it doesn’t have livefyre’s post count.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120807220703/http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/07/31/its-official-swtor-is-going-free-to-play/

kurweezy_
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kurweezy_

I’m excited I’m only bitter because of the WOD experience (which I only experienced for 4 months in total since i unsubbed in dec and again in feburary and again after 6.2 hahaha) Call me crazy but MOP was my favorite expansion mainly because of the story telling. I really like that we are back on azeorth tbh it feels like home. With that said Blizzard won’t be getting my coin until a month or 2 after the expansion has come out of its honey moonphase. I really don’t want to be disappointed again but regardless this caught my attention. Good luck to blizzard!(activision can choke

eqjase1
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eqjase1

Double Jump? Sold.

SwobyJ
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SwobyJ

TheGremmel I saw a lot interesting. However, it wasn’t enough to get me hyped, and it wasn’t enough to get me to want to resub ASAP (or at least next year).

A lot of these announcements was basically wish-fulfillment, and I give them (mixed) credit on that. Great!

But yes, I don’t really see them working to improve the game overall. Though keep in mind that there’s still Blizzcon to come, and that this announcement may very well just be the ‘big things’.

While I may not be as ..intense as your opinions, I basically agree. 

More and more, WoW just looks like ‘2000s gaming’, but in worse and worse ways. Not necessarily bad for someone to get into, but damn these devs appear to operate in an echo chamber.

I’m not against a LFR, but only in limited ways.

kofteburger
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kofteburger

FyreyEnigma kofteburger ihatevnecks Halaegus Chris Metzen explained in someplace the reason scourge had to have a lich king is that without a leader scourge would easily fall to yogg-saron.

bambocheur
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bambocheur

That’s true. lotro’s LI system was legendary for about 5 levels then u replaced it with a new legend….Blizz can fix his. Second, the main driver in Lotro’s LI system was microtransactions which are a rarity in WoW so that shouldn’t be an issue.

mosselyn
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mosselyn

For the sake of all who still hold WoW dear, I hope the new weapon system isn’t REALLY like Lotro’s LI system. A more grindy, overly complicated, un-fun weapon system is hard to imagine. The concept behind it is fine, but the realization has always been dreadful. I hope Blizz does right by its players.

Coldrun_MN
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Coldrun_MN

So psyched!  This looks awesome. :)

Chuki792
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Chuki792

Almost… The swtor f2p announcement was about 1500…. But the day is young…

Ceder
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Ceder

mourasaint Mochaccino  You’ve said that multiple times now but devs have made statements to the contrary.  Can you cite a source please that this is the last one?

Chuki792
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Chuki792

Almost at that SWTOR record post number….

breetoplay
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breetoplay

SallyBowls1 breetoplay bryanjturner Oh god, the sand painting.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

Skyewauker breetoplay bryanjturner Nope, I expect gloss, and that what we got from both presentations. It wasn’t meant as an insult at all.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

carsont EO_Lonegun And how to put his foot in his mouth too.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

Ghostmourn Kalamari About 1250 for a Derek Smart thread. I’m glad to see it toppled, soundly.

wjowski
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wjowski

Mochaccino dreamweaver7x 
Except simplified, stylized graphics (and the resulting low system specs) are also a part of WoW’s appeal as well.

mourasaint
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mourasaint

TheGremmel Wait, the announced more Garrisons?!

mourasaint
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mourasaint

meltedskul There won’t be one.

bambocheur
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bambocheur

Dixa Lotro style legendaries was poo for most of it’s existence, only now has turbine addressed the biggest problem that plagued the system and only addressed that problem  for level capped players. The system is still heavily developed with micro transactions at every opportunity.  If Bilzz can avoid all Turbine’s miss steps then it could be good, if not then it may be more like LOTRO and that’s not good.

meltedskul
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meltedskul

Inb4 5.6 million people return and leave right after. Only to do so again with the expansion after this one.

Jack Pipsam
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Jack Pipsam

Dixa I think they add a slot everytime a new class/race comes out.

Jack Pipsam
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Jack Pipsam

I think this is the most commented article now :3

TheGremmel
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TheGremmel

Hopefully a wakeup moment for Blizzard. The audience was not rabid Blizzcon fans screaming at every syllable but instead they barely stayed awake for the entire 90 minutes. Blizzard has to stop leaning on their laurels or WoW will not be the no1 sub MMO within the next two years.
I literally saw nothing here that’s interesting. 

1. They announced they’re doing more garrisons that no one at all likes anymore. Not just non-content it’s un-content. 

2. They announced more dungeons. They won’t stay relevant for more than a week. They might say they’re doing dungeons better but they just said that about timewalker and mythic dungeon and no one is doing those anymore. Took about a week after 6.2 until they where just a waste of time again.

3. Announced more raids. Great another 60 minute of content once a week for maybe a month. So 4 hours in total. Who cares.

4. Announced Demon Hunter. W/E I’ve been a warrior for 10 years, I’m not changing now, non-content for 90% of the players same as monks.

5. Announced Relic weapons. Again w/e, just a new loot/talent system that they won’t bother balancing. Just speaking from experience. “We don’t want people to play demonology” actual quote. Also weapon drops was one of the few rushes left for people. That’s now gone.

6. Announced Honor system. Copy paste COD. Doesn’t matter. Most people don’t PVP.

7. All the announced lore. The story of WoW makes absolutely no sense anymore with Orc Hitler somehow turning into Captain America in this expansion. There’s nothing from the past 3 years that’s engaged me as an actual Warcraft lore fan in this game. I’ve even read some of the books. They’re literally not even trying to tell a story, it’s just nostalgia placating. It’s sub fanfiction story telling.

8. Dalaran, just fuck you Blizz, Lazy fucks…

Nothing about crafting. Nothing about LFR removal (loot or just completely). Nothing about guild progression, housing or otherwise. Nothing about engine updates, meaning easier content generation, they literally can’t add character customizations right now since the engine is so shit.

I’m at least not buying this one that’s for sure. Will be my first one, been playing since original beta.

Tenthyr
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Tenthyr

FyreyEnigma kofteburger ihatevnecks Halaegus We’ve never killed an Old God, we’ve killed slightly awoken little bits of beings literally the size of continents. 

If we ever let one fully awake, we’d be really, reaaaaaaally fucked.

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