Massively OP Podcast Episode 25: Project Gorgon interview

Today on the podcast we have a very special guest, Project Gorgon Lead Developer Eric Heimburg. Heimburg brings us up to speed on the game’s successful Kickstarter campaign and takes us behind the scenes of building an indie MMO. We also have the new World of Warcraft expansion reveals discuss, so it’s going to be a busy show!

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StevenWeeks
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StevenWeeks

aldristavan StevenWeeks some dont tho im not saying he doesnt but he isnt apr person and thats a fact

GeoffreyTillman
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GeoffreyTillman

Kanbe Every once in a while an elf NPC will make an innuendo but it’s pretty tame

StevenWeeks
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StevenWeeks

CharcoalCrow tilles87 hes u sing unity 5 not his own engine

StevenWeeks
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StevenWeeks

CharcoalCrow breetoplay there using unity 5

StevenWeeks
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StevenWeeks

aldristavan hes a dev not a pr person give him a break

CharcoalCrow
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CharcoalCrow

breetoplay CharcoalCrow Very little has changed with how unique and interesting the game is. I guess a lot had changed in terms of financial support but that also isn’t true since this round was “afterthought” funding.
I’m mostly amazed that they made it. But they made it by building an engine and licencing it out again. I wish that more crowdfunders could realize that they can be far more equatable by actually building a product instead of begging for change.

CharcoalCrow
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CharcoalCrow

tilles87 CharcoalCrow Mostly it is the fact that he is licencing the engine to other projects that has kept PG alive. I feel so badly for these devs. They’ve gotten shit-end-of-stick despite having an insanely unique and interesting game. All of which was clear and true during previous attempts at funding.

Kanbe
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Kanbe

I wouldn’t let that blurb stop you. I’ve only played a few hours but I rolled an elf and aside from the blurb I’ve seen nothing so much as hint at sex yet.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

CharcoalCrow We covered it during those Kickstarters too. Lots has changed since then.

Oleg Chebeneev
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Oleg Chebeneev

Sorenthaz PaganRites We need AAA MMOs from experienced and well funded studios to break away from template. So that we could play games with scale and quality we got used to. As for small unknown studios – they were producing unique MMOs all the time (Face of Mankind, Saga of Ryzom, Spellborn, etc.). Where they are now? Ambitious unique ideas not everything, without polish and engaging gameplay the games will fail very fast.

Oleg Chebeneev
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Oleg Chebeneev

This clunky ugly godawful game gets way more coverage on MO then it deserves.

Omedon
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Omedon

Sorenthaz PaganRites I think many creative minds in the industry can agree there, but the question they often have to stop at is:
“You buyin’?”
That’s why the kickstarter craze happened.  Past tense.

Omedon
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Omedon

Flimflamberge Omedon BalsBigBrother So… I still don’t owe them my precious time.  I’m not just talking money here.

BalsBigBrother
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BalsBigBrother

Sorenthaz BalsBigBrother “maybe wipe skills”, ” mostly in-tact” are not the same thing as permanent.
Skills look like you need to invest a lot of time into them. . Well let’s be honest as it is an old school style of game you are going to have to put in a chunk of time to progress in most areas and until that is permanent in all of them  I am staying away.
Not knocking the game at all and I hope it gets to a point that I am comfortable with jumping in.  if you are happy to do so now then good for you I hope you have fun,  me I will be waiting on the sidelines. :-)

Flimflamberge
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Flimflamberge

Omedon BalsBigBrother 
Gorgon’s test client is freely available and they’re trying to limit the possibility of having to wipe progress, so….

Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

The way Eric sounded was as if considering it an “older” or “like my first” MMO was a bad thing.  When I’ve described it as such that’s like the highest compliment because I guess what I personally mean at least is that the experience feels new, unqiue, and overall very different from what I’ve grown used to since playing WoW.  Instead it feels more like when I first started Runescape (the super duper old pseudo-3d-that-was-mostly-shitty-2d one) up where there was a big world to explore and discover and I was sort of just captivated by the idea that I was in a virtual world where I could freely explore and level up skills at my own pace.  Or like when I first played WoW or FFXI or other older MMOs where it was all about the exploration and discovery rather than just going through quests and working my way to endgame because that’s where the real game began.
Describing it though as having an older feel like it’s my first MMO all over again is just a much simpler way of putting it, I suppose.  :p

dionm01
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dionm01

Omedon dionm01 No Worries, I’m ok. I’ve just stopped playing and walked away for the time being. I’ve generated a few videos, audio commentary and walls of text. I’m just sadden of the direction Blizzard as taken. Will I go back, sure I will, in a free to play context. “WOW tokens”. As I formulate this thought, I’m Downloading Wild Star client as I type. As I have said in the past I would give WS a change once it went F2P or B2P. Well they took the F2P stance. I’ll signed up for the Beta so lets see it I get it or not. 
If I don’t like it, then no worries, I’ll proceed in doing want I have been doing, Producing flight videos with X-plane 10 and getting mileage of Flight Simulation. Flight has always been my first love well besides my wife (I better say that or else). Anyways I can go on and on, cuz that’s what I do. Laters
Dion Markgraf
AKA: Dionsol

Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

Greymantle  That’s just a part of their lore for RP purposes if people really want to RP Elves like that.  Most of the races don’t follow the typical fantasy stereotypes.
And I haven’t seen anyone RPing like that, so *shrug* it’s not like sex is a thing to do in this game or anything.

Greymantle
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Greymantle

The sex crazed elves is what kept me from trying it. I thought if they have this in game I can imagine what the rest of game has. Can anyone expand on this?

Omedon
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Omedon

dionm01 Me and mine have come back recently, for the first time since late Cataclysm, and are having a blast.  I get that some people are burned out, and i see where it happened, but  I’m currently immune to it, so I’m glad I came back at a time when there’s little to no competition for quests, with two expansions worth of stories to see on 11 characters!
Once I establish a foundation for all 11 characters for Legion, I’ll probably unsub, who knows, maybe that’ll carry me through to the expansion itself, but if not, I feel no obligation to remain subscribed if me and mind are not enjoying ourselves. Unlike last time we left, we know our options now!

I’m sorry you’re burned out on and angry at  your game. :(  *hug*

Omedon
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Omedon

BalsBigBrother Agree with every word, Triple-B.  I consider my investment in Shards Online my last KS/EA/Pay-to-test gamble, and I will otherwise likely never reach into a still-firing oven again.  Nothing against any of these games baking, but they have to be willing to accept that eventually the “responsible consumer” instinct will get a voice in a player’s head, and I hope these games get enough people not jaded by the experiences I can’t pretend I haven’t had with jumping in too early.

Cross the 1.X line, and we’ll talk.

Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

PaganRites  Amen.  We need more games like this that break away from the current “model of success” that’s being run into the ground repeatedly over and over again.

Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

BalsBigBrother They already said that there aren’t any plans to fully wipe characters though.  Maybe wipe skills or such if enough updates are done, but your characters in the current state of the game will supposedly be playable moving forward into the later testing stages and then launch itself.  That and apparently items will be wiped at launch for economy purposes. But skills should remain mostly in-tact.

PaganRites
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PaganRites

Great interview Justin.  I especially like the part about how the industry doesn’t take risks and the genre is in danger.  He’s right.  Statements like this is why I support this game.

Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

Enikuo  It sounds like in general they fleshed out the Cow “skill” and made it into a legitimate, fully playable character path.  
Curious though if that’s what led to the other animal form skills, or if they were already in and the Cow stuff was supposed to just be seen as a punishment.

Enikuo
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Enikuo

seanxxp Enikuo That’s so cool.

Zipzopzippitybop
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Zipzopzippitybop

Armoured cow!

dionm01
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dionm01

Hello Justin & Elliott,

I just wanted to agree with you with your discussion on the World of Warcraft subject.  We players of World of Warcraft are definitely in a no confidence mode.  You guys are right, players like me feel we got burned “Big Time” with the cost of the expansion “Warlords” and what we got for our money.  And it is sad, that it came down to this, but Blizzard has dug their own whole that they have to did their way out of.
I will disagree with you Elliott on the timeline of the release of the expansion.  I expected to be no later than March of next year.  Reason being, they cannot afford to wait that long.  There’s just too many other games and other activities to do now days that people will just stop playing WOW and never go back.

It is just like in my business, you give your competition away to take away your business.  And they will take it, and your customer will have no reason to go back.  This is the climate we live in, hell actually it’s always been the climate that I’ve had to deal with in my business and now it’s crossed over into the MMO market as a whole.

So in summary Blizzard better get off their A$$es and start producing content or the only people that will be in World of Warcraft is the extreme hard cores that they would have anyway in no matter what happens, code word (Cool Aid drinkers).  And that my friends is not the business you want to have.

PS: Sorry! I didn’t take interest in Project Gorgon it’s not on my radar screen.  For me too much time invested in to World of Warcraft and the fear of its own demise that I don’t want to see happen.

Just my thoughts, one man’s opinion
Dion Markgraf
AKA: Dionsol

Disillusioned Level 100 Undead Warlock
Terokkar US

shayneary
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shayneary

Ok, fine. You guys win, I’ll give Project Gorgon after work today :P

BalsBigBrother
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BalsBigBrother

I am content that I have seen what Project Gorgon has and happy with the direction they seem to be taking. 
That said I am tired of the whole kickstarter / pre alpha unfinished games and losing progress that you may have spent many hours acquiring.  Yes I know we are there to  give feed back, test mechanics, server loads and so on but I just really want to play finished games at this point not test them or have to repeat things multiple times.

I hope Project Gorgon continues to make progress to a point that the creators are happy to put it out in a launched status.  I will then be happy to go back and pay for the privalage of playing it.

Liandreth
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Liandreth

I had to make myself sit down and try out Gorgon a few times. The first two times, I was like, meh. After listening to everyone talk about it, and being interested in the different skills, I made myself sit down and really play it. I love it now. For graphics, it used to bother me. I’d want a game that was beautiful and fun! I ended up getting Archeage, and for me, that game wasn’t what I was hoping it would be. So, pretty graphics don’t necessarily mean a good game and not so pretty graphics don’t mean a bad game. For myself, I can look past graphics now. I love this game. Am having such a blast in it. 
The water in the game right now is very pretty. I can’t wait to play more of it.

Arthwyndar
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Arthwyndar

Once again Fishing Planet gets no play on the WildStar podcast. Guys, why don’t you respond to the sea of Fishing Planet fans out there and really dive into this whopper of a game.

seanxxp
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seanxxp

Enikuo basically, yes!

Enikuo
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Enikuo

So, did they go back and make cow armor to accommodate the players that decided to adventure as cows?

tilles87
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tilles87

CharcoalCrow It seems third time is the charm. Having a small enthusiastic fanbase, a really good pre-alpha, and better kickstarter video helped a lot probably.

CharcoalCrow
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CharcoalCrow

I wish PG had this kind of support before they made funding. Would have likely meant they got funding when they actually needed it more. This was their third KS. The whole world was silent until they hit goal.

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