Champions Online is letting players take a walk on the villainous side

Having an option to play a supervillain in an MMO can be tough, since supervillains are usually meant to have big skills and powers to threaten the heroes. Champions Online has a solution to that problem by allowing players to temporarily become the villain, rampaging through the streets of Millennium City with all of the powers and abilities of a villain. It’s a twist on the standard formula to give players the fun of villainous action without an entirely separate game focused around villain play.

Players taking part in these villainous rampages earn the ability to unlock new villains to rampage as along with hero gear, thus making it a rewarding experience for the times when you’re not stomping around the city. Conversely, players who take down the villains rampaging through the city will earn tokens that allow those players to go on their own rampages. It’s going to be interesting to see how the system shakes out when it goes live at some time in September, but the potential is there for quite a bit of villainous fun.

Source: MMORPG.com; thanks to HidingCat for the tip!
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shadowinthedark22
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shadowinthedark22

Vinny sucks dong and slobbers on the knob of cryptic’s CO nightly. Game is in maint mode, go cry and be mad pleb.

SimyJo
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SimyJo

Great news about Champions-Online – but very VERY hesistant re: their track record with the IP.
It’s good that Randy has given the project some momentum – perhaps if they can get Positron back off of STO and back contributing to their own superhero MMO (for which he has a natural flair) then they could drag this game out of the doldrums it has been languishing in for the last 4 years.

It’s great Ravenswood has been tackled but the building need to be replaced with some architectual assets out of Vibora Bay (because plain square buildings don’t cut it) – and also they need to bring in content with all the missing Champions locales;

#Wells of the worlds = missing

#Arcadia: City of Gold = missing

#Sunday Pond:Maine = missing

#Hudson City = missing.

#Atlantis = missing

#UNTIL space station (and ‘Champions-Beyond’ [space] content) = missing.

#Thaar: Island of the Bird-people = missing.

…and an updated content curve with new power-sets please (outside of lock-boxes and other such paywalls).

Super-group bases! – after the stop-gap measure of penthouses [that Nick developed before he went to STO] – Champions has totally lost the momentum with what that built up in excitement.  KoTOR (amongst others) shows that players will pay for different flavours of SG base and the decor to furnish them!.  Sitting on an absolute goldmine there guys with regard to Supergroups! – GET IT DONE!. 

Seriously ! – if you build it ! – they will come™ [back] !

SimyJo
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JayBezzOfficial ZenDadaist

Even if you are right – the fact that Gold subscribers and LTS members get one a day will mean that they will be two-a-penny at the auction-house and not out of player’s reach.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

Mansemat AdeptusEnginus Koshelkin Bitrip More like subjunctive in his comparison!
… I’ll get my hat.

LegendOfVinnyT
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LegendOfVinnyT

I’m done with this argument, I’m done with this site. Have fun preempting anybody’s interest in a game you claim to not care about.

HidingCat
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HidingCat

LegendOfVinnyT LegendOfVinnyT Armsman You’re taking this *very* personally.

The game simply hasn’t had much content updates of any kind, particularly ones that don’t involve gambling in the last year or two. As a roleplayer who’ll happily trudge by with minimal content, I think it says a lot that I stopped playing.

It’s not a coincidence the perceived population keeps on slipping: When I came onboard during the Steam F2P rush, Millennium City easily had 20 zones. Then it settled at 5-8. Last I checked a few weeks back, there were barely 3 zones.

I don’t know why criticism of the game (and very valid points) are met with the critics being tarred, to quote you, “pernicious, poisonous lies” of being called trolls, just because you don’t like what you hear.

ZenDadaist
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ZenDadaist

JayBezzOfficial ZenDadaist … figures :p Oh well, carry on. New thing in Lockboxes it is.

JayBezzOfficial
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JayBezzOfficial

ZenDadaist From what I understand from friends the “Become Villain” items are still coming in lockboxes.  (Please correct me if i’m wrong)

ZenDadaist
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ZenDadaist

Whaaaaaat? CO has a new thing that isn’t a repainted lockbox? Surely you jest.

GoJammit
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GoJammit

Doctor Evilface GoJammit And to drill home my point further, I just got a welcome back to Neverwinter to try out Strongholds. I didn’t even bother to read what the code I got was for, or even how interested I am in the 20v20 gameplay. But they did something to get me to update the game and swing by in my free time. And that doesn’t take a giant budget. I can’t tell you the last time I got anything like that from CO.

Fair More
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Fair More

Best wishes to CO. Makes me happy to hear them trying new things.

GoJammit
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GoJammit

7BitBrian dorn2 LegendOfVinnyT Armsman Rediculous and sad is the arguing the semantics of this or that mode while  ignoring the main point which is the lack of new content. And while big is subjective I think we all know that nothing CO has provided in the recent past would qualify to anyone with good sense or ib being honest with themselves. But let’s play the game. When is the last time CO got anything along the lines of Delta Rising? Hell, how about an episode of Delta Rising?

DoctorOverlord
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DoctorOverlord

This sounds like a very clever mechanic!  I like the idea of allowing players to control iconic villain NPCs as open-world raid bosses.  The time limit restriction makes sense and the idea that villains can attack each other while trying to get the same objectives sounds like it will add to fun.  

It will be interesting to see how well this mechanic works.  Making other players become MMO content is something that more companies should explore IMO.  MMOs have a great resource in their players, if only developers can figure out how to tap into it (which admittedly is like trying to slice a delicate wedding cake with high-explosive C4)

dorn2
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7BitBrian 
You’re just being flat out dishonest now.  A game that doesn’t release any updates isn’t in maintenance mode.  It’s just flat out abandoned.
Abandoned = No new updates, only bug fixes.
Maintenance = Very small crew working on the game barely putting out any content. 

Of course the amount of updates is subjective.  We’re talking about Champions Online though.  You can’t find an MMO that isn’t abandoned which updates slower.  Not a single one.

So when you say “subjective” it’s just a bullshit weasel argument on your part. Everything is subjective if you want to stretch the word that far.  If you really aren’t trying to be dishonest then I’m flabbergasted.  Maybe you don’t’ play other games?  Perhaps you don’t have a real grasp on how bad CO is in comparison?

7BitBrian
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dorn2 LegendOfVinnyT Armsman I just want to echo that I find the people saying this game is in maintenance mode to be highly ridiculous.

I mean this guy above me just claimed they haven’t released a “big” update for years, so for him that means it’s in maintenance mode. But “big” is subjective and the definition of maintenance basically rules out anything new at all, no matter how big or small.
They’re having the redefine maintenance mode to make it fit their narrative here. It’s so ridiculous it brings to mind the “feminists” who are redefining sexism so much they are claiming air conditioning is sexist. Pick the narrative first, then redefine all the facts, ignoring what you have to acting like it doesn’t exist, to then make it all fit your pre-selected narrative.

It’s so ridiculous it’s become just sad.

GoJammit
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GoJammit

No his whining was immature and uncalled for. Him internalizing comments made about the management of a game is immature. Lashing out at people who clearly wanted to see the game thrive and pretending we are somehow damaging the community I’d immature, uncalled for and boarder line psychotic.
And if their other games are doing as good as you say then they should be able to do something for the one that they have neglected so long. maybe everything isn’t the right word I should have used. But there is everything, there is something, and then there is what they have done. And the gulf is wide between here and there.
You seem to be using niche as a synonym for unpopular and unprofitable. Yes superheroes are niche and yet here they are all over tv and movies banking huge. Let’s not try to pretend there is no crossover between that and video games. Not when when these games time things to go along with releases to maximize profits and exposure.
When city of Heroes came out there was nothing like it and it did great for a really long time with no competition. I would say it was even more niche the. But somehow defied this burden you are saddling the genre with. When CO came out it had the audience but it didn’t do anything to keep it and has done little to get it back. Instead in stagnated while lesser games cropped up and took the crown. That’s got nothing to do with being niche. It has to do with not caring and/or mismanagement.
Stop trying to paint the game as a victim of circumstance. If there are others out there doing it then they could have too. What ever happened to those people they hired years ago to make changes and turn things around? Is this article and a few chump events the fruits of their work?
Oh and me and my wife had a good laugh at circle jerk of doom. Thanks for that.

dorn2
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LegendOfVinnyT dorn2 Armsman 
No that’s not the meaning of maintenance mode in an MMO.  That’s not how semantics work.

Maintenance mode = Only a few people working on the game occasionally.

Ehra
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LegendOfVinnyT dorn2 Armsman 
So it’s not in “maintenance mode,” it’s in “you get new content once a year, and in between all you get is new lockboxes” mode (I mean, come on. the most recent power added to the game is literally hidden behind a lockbox). Wow, so much better, if people would just speak the truth instead of these BOLD-FACED LIES, the game would have so many more players.

There’s a reason everyone thinks it’s in maintenance mode despite it not technically being true, because what DOES get added tends to be of such minor consequence that for many it doesn’t really matter.

GoJammit
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GoJammit

What we have is a clear case of you taking my comments to someone else to heart. I claim no responsibility for that. My response to you was pretty darn polite and void of any real accusations of white knightery. But you weren’t the one practically crying that we were attacking the community when expressing unhappiness with the way the game has been managed.
I don’t think I would classify this as a circle jerk of doom either. But that’s a matter of perception and were not going to agree on that and I don’t care.
As for how populate the genre is, I never said it was more populate than fantasy mmos but there is obviously a market. It’s really easy to copy a proven sword and society concept. And if there are only two mmos out there than you’d think they both would be doing everything in their powers to get that audience.
And what are these copy and paste space operas?

GoJammit
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GoJammit

The only thing I’m projecting is a desire to see the game improve and not languish because some crybaby can’t handle honest criticism of a game that has provided nothing in the way of fun for all but the hardcore and/or deluded for years. YEARS!
Good for you. You waste time on the forum telling them the things they already know. I have no interest in talking to a wall so why bother. They know the things that need to change. They know how they have screwed up. What could that possibly gain. At lest here, I place where I am regularly, I can talk about it with likeminded people with out going to some company site to get stroked with empty platitudes. Been there done that.
You say really stupid things and I get the feeling your emotion and desire to shield your precious failing game from outside criticism is warping what is probably better judgement. F the system? What are you even saying. If anything I’ve begged the system. Begged them to not waste an IP, a fun combat system, and what could be a popular and fun game by neglecting it.

LegendOfVinnyT
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GoJammit To answer your (juvenile, projecting) questions spread out over three posts:

I do criticize Cryptic over the state of Champions Online; honestly, fairly, and in their own forums where they are best able to read and respond. And we know they’re reading and responding because Arkayne, Splosions, and LadyGadfly have posted more in the past two months that Arkayne has been in charge than LordGar and Stokeman did in their entire tenures, it seems.

So spare me your “F*** THE SYSTEM!” drivel and stop undermining us.

GoJammit
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GoJammit

Sorry if you feel the need to slob the knob of a company who has done pretty much nothing with this franchise and instead attack the people who want it to grow. Their giving us the equivalent of a holiday event in lieu of a real update, and you’re cool with that. What happened to that big team they hired years ago to turn the game around?
*flips you a quarter* “Here you go, shoe shine boy.”

GoJammit
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GoJammit

Uh no. Marvel heroes and DC are out there doing just fine. Hell, Marvels updating almost monthly. Superheroes are big right now. Really big. And they have been for at least the past five years. We have 3 hit superhero tv shows- no 5. Super girl is starting in the fall. Agents of shield is supposedly getting a spin off. Arrow has a new one starting as well. Netflix has two more on the way with talks for more. And all people need is a plac to go and make their heroes.
The reason it not making any money is because their not putting any money into it. Hell, unless you play it already the only way you would know it existed was to stumble across it on steam. And you need things to get people back in and they need to have something to do when they get there.
Cryptic just gave away a T6 ship to people who had been gone for a month or so. Besides the whole carrot in a stick of having a ship that can be leveled up to earn a trait, there are events, there is fresh out of the oven content and recent stuff added as if a few months ago.
If I got an offer like that from them for CO, holy cow would I be back in. Even with the stake content maybe I’d find something that I missed. Maybe I’d find people that were fun to hang with while doing the stale content. But what would be a real keeper is actual content. A story, some new enemies, he’s an forbid a new zone. Anything to distract me from why I left in the first place.
Essentially they need to put work into it if they want it to thrive and there is a wave that they are missing big time. Defending their poor decisions is just silly. If it’s such a loss then close it. Stop pretending they are doing us a favor.

GoJammit
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GoJammit

Holy shit. No one is tearing down the players. They are complaining about the lack of content. That fact that people still even bother with it is a testament to player endurance and patience and creativity. Now maybe you can funnel that creativity into angry word about Cryptic instead of the people who want them to do better. I don’t know how you can honestly try to defend the lack of content. It’s baffling.

GoJammit
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GoJammit

Did they attack your community or the people responsible for there barely being a game for your community to play in. Sorry bub. I love CO when it came out and defended a lot of their wackier choices but they’ve pretty much abandoned this game and left me pretty much without a CoH replacement, which is all this ever was.
I would like to think if CoH had lived, CO would have been forced to compete, but DCUO IS OUT THERE DOING ITS THING and Cryptic feels no need to keep up. The fact that Marvel Heroes is even in the conversation is an utter joke. They couldn’t even be bothered to make a pure pve game where you make your own characters and it is still spanking the pants off of CO.
If you want to be angry at someone, join the rest of us rational people and be mad at the people denying us a good game

LegendOfVinnyT
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dorn2 LegendOfVinnyT Armsman 21 years in software development, you can be damn sure I know what “maintenance mode” means, and it is specific.

Maintenance Mode = No new features. Only critical bug fixes, security patches, and regular server maintenance.

That’s it. Not “New features don’t come out fast enough” or “This new feature isn’t that big” or “I don’t like this new feature”.

It is an incredibly dangerous, loaded phrase for any software service, especially an MMO. That’s why the trolls love it so much. And in the case of Champions Online, it’s a bald-faced lie.

dorn2
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LegendOfVinnyT dorn2 Armsman 
None of those things was a real update.  They were all the very definition of maintenance mode updates.  Even at that level the last maintenance patch was over a year ago.

You don’t even understand what maintenance mode means.  It doesn’t mean “no new content”.  It just means that a developer puts very little effort into the game.  So now after more than a year they’re doing another maintenance patch.  People are going to be suspicious that it’ll be another year till the next one.

Robenix
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Robenix

Coming from someone who never really liked villain content in CoH (or in general, I play a superhero MMO to be the hero after all)– I don’t think I’ll mind romping around as Grond for 15 mins everyday or three.

Might be a good destresser after a long hard shift at work :P

LegendOfVinnyT
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LegendOfVinnyT

dorn2 LegendOfVinnyT Armsman What is Onslaught? What was Steel Crusade? What was Fatal Err0r? What was the Lemurian Invasion?

NEW CONTENT, THEREFORE IT IS NOT MAINTENANCE MODE. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.

This is not arguing about semantics. This is trolls like you intentionally using a phrase with a terrible stigma attached to it. City of Heroes is dead, and Champions survived, and while most of us moved on, you can’t stand it. So you want to be selfish little pricks and take from us what you can have for yourselves? The continued existence of Champions Online doesn’t cost you a godforsaken thing, so what could you possible get out of tearing it down?

dorn2
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LegendOfVinnyT Armsman 
I get that you’re arguing semantics.  Are you on drugs though?  If you look up “Maintenance Mode” in the dictionary it just says “Champions Online”.

RicharddeLeonIII
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RicharddeLeonIII

Im a CO player and fan. But even I can see the game is in a stagnant mode. Criticsm from fans is healthy.
The cryptic insider from a few months back said all three cryptic games are getting development according to their profits with sto and nw being specifically mentioned as being profitable. That can be infered as meaning CO isnt profitable and isnt getting serious development time.
I’ll say CO is out of maintenance mode only with a significant content addition on the level of an expansion.

ItsBrou
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ItsBrou

I’m pretty satisfied with this update. Really liking the upgrades you can earn, too.

LegendOfVinnyT
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LegendOfVinnyT

LegendOfVinnyT Armsman LegendOfVinnyT NO IT HAS NOT.

I am sick and bloody tired of ex-CO and ex-CoH trolls using that pernicious, poisonous lie to tear down a community, my community, because they’re pissed off at a corporation. And it happens every goddamn time there’s a CO story on this site, and the editors don’t do a damn thing about it.

HidingCat
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HidingCat

LegendOfVinnyT Armsman LegendOfVinnyT Wow, defensive. It really has been in maintenance mode for a very long time.

DrowNoble
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DrowNoble

Well this “monster play” a-la LOTRO seems like a good idea.  A change of pace is a good thing.

Pretty good considering some people, bloggers at this site included, seemed to think CO was “dead”. Unless PWE does a bone-head movie like NCsoft I don’t see CO shutting down anytime soon.  It have relatively little costs compared to larger MMOs and has a small but loyal following.

LegendOfVinnyT
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Midgetsnowman LegendOfVinnyT Armsman I explained it down below. That decision was in stone at Marvel’s request. But by all means, keep trying to tear CO players down for liking something you don’t.

LegendOfVinnyT
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LegendOfVinnyT

Armsman LegendOfVinnyT You just declared CO in “maintenance mode” on an article announcing a new feature.

You’re too stupid to argue with.

Midgetsnowman
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LegendOfVinnyT Armsman because certainly, giving us a single likely instanced mission typoe where we can play as villains is certainly just as good as every other superhero MMO where playing villains has been a feature for years and as been a requested feature on CO since release, people cant possibly be annoyed that just like superhero bases, they halfassed things again.

Armsman
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LegendOfVinnyT Um, “Monster Play” (which is what this new feature essentially is) is nothing new to MMOs and was done in “Lord of the Rings Online”. And I never said I didn’t like it per se; but is a fact that CO usually gets one new piece of featured content a years (as opposed to Cryptic’s other two MMOs that see a feature (and usually much more – see STO’s Season 10.5 and the upcoming Season 11 which are about 2 months apart.)
The fact is CO is honestly in maintenance mode with the incredibly small CO dev team doing what they can, but getting no real support from Cryptic upper management. Again, the game does have some neat things and has always had potential, but at this point Cryptic/PWE really sees no ROI for CO; so they let it languish with no level cap increase since launch; and n ow new city type zones added since after it’s first year online – and if you knew the pencil and paper version, there’s PLENTY of other zones they could add.

Mansemat
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Mansemat

AdeptusEnginus Koshelkin Bitrip Good thing he was being subjective in his comparison.

Damonvile
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Damonvile

And only one is actually an mmo.

LegendOfVinnyT
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LegendOfVinnyT

Armsman “Waaahhh, you didn’t give us anything new this year! You suck!”

[Cryptic announces new. clever, potentially fun play mode out of left field]

“Waaahhh, I don’t like on paper the new thing you’re giving us this year! You suck!”

LegendOfVinnyT
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LegendOfVinnyT

ItsBrou This is no time for puns. I don’t think you understand the Gravitar of the situation.

LegendOfVinnyT
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LegendOfVinnyT

TommyTim4 No, that was Marvel. They didn’t want villain play in Marvel Universe Online, and by the time Marvel backed out of the project and Cryptic turned it into Champions Online, it was way too late. Cryptic’s only other option was to delay the entire project for a very long time, which probably wasn’t financially viable.

AdeptusEnginus
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AdeptusEnginus

Koshelkin AdeptusEnginus Bitrip if I WERE to compare the two, I would say that Marvel Heroes is infinitely more entertaining, -to me-. That would be a personal comparison, which doesn’t really amount to anything. :P
If you were to do an objective comparison between the two…you couldn’t, because they’re in completely opposite genres, which was my original point. You’d be trying to argue which is the “better” game when the two are on completely opposite ends of the spectrum.

Koshelkin
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Koshelkin

AdeptusEnginus Koshelkin Bitrip But you just did. You said Marvel Heroes is more entertaining. <.<

AdeptusEnginus
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AdeptusEnginus

Koshelkin AdeptusEnginus Bitrip If I were to compare the two, Marvel Heroes is infinitely more entertaining to me. I just refuse to compare the two because it would be about as accurate as comparing apples to broccoli, or Nightwish to an episode of How I Met Your Mother.

Armsman
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Armsman

Well, now we know what their one ‘new’ content update for CO is this year. (If only they’d add the Foundry to CO the game might see some life.) There is a lot I actually still like about CO; but Cryptic just doesn’t feel the ROI is good enough to continue adding real content to the game, and that’ just sad.

demonxaphan
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demonxaphan

I really can’t see anything good coming out of this move, as good as CO is. The only two mmo’s that have done villains right are CoV and DCUO.

BKone
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BKone

Cryptic: “So we heard you still like CoH….”

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