Massively OP Podcast Episode 29: Pathfinder fading

When an MMO studio virtually closes overnight, what can that mean for the game in question? This week, Bree and Justin tackle the sad news of Pathfinder Online, WildStar’s free-to-play date, and a possible new MMO studio!

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Fenryr
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Fenryr

With Pathfinder I dodged a bullet, luckily there were better and more promising games around :-)

salidar
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salidar

Guys the levels are really off this week. Justin is sooooo quiet compared to Bree that I have to turn it way up when he’s talking, then have to turn it down for Bree, and the music ends up being shockingly loud. Hope you can tweak that sometime.

dionm01
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dionm01

I just wanted to make a comment regarding Wild Star topic.  As of this post yesterday I got the closed beta key on the PTR.  So I downloaded it an installed it.  And because I’m a total noob in the wild star universe, it’s all shiny and new to me.  And as you guys are aware that was by design.  I knew this would go free to play eventually and in my opinion for the better.  So far I’m having fun but I sure don’t know what I’m doing.
I would recommend if anybody wants to play the game from a buy to play perspective, I would recommend go ahead and getting the standard edition or the deluxe edition to get the perks.  At least you’ll have those perks that you can take advantage of with your account.
As I did with star wars the old Republic, I will do what I can to purchase everything in wild star as a buy to play account wide purchases.  The best thing they did is not having any gates that would restrict youtube content like old Republic does.
If old Republic wasn’t as restrictive, I would be playing that more than anything because let’s face it I and many others are star star wars fans.  Wild star however is not a big IP and doesn’t draw me to it as star wars would.  But again, I may continue playing the beta and enjoy every bit of it that I can.
From your friendly neighborhood MMO player
Dionsol

PS: take that Blizzard Entertainment, for ruining our game for the love of “Money” and not “Passion”.
Oh by the way, anybody else get the closed beta key and what do you guys think about it, love to hear your thoughts.

dionm01
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dionm01

BalsBigBrother Well said my friend, I totally agree with your synopsis in which you stated above.  Never take anything for granted.  That hit me more so recently (well about two years ago) with a loss of my mom when she died of ovarian cancer.  
When it comes to electronics I remember the first time I log into a bulletin board system using wildcats software and talking to people online, downloading files and that sort of thing.  Using a whopping 300 baud modem with my commodore 64.  And is you all may of guest this was 1981.  Being able to talk to a friend via Texting back and forth was really cool.  It’s amazing how things changed over the years.  Now I know how my great grandparents felt to a degree that were born just before the turn of the century and during their lives seeing the expansion of electricity that we all use for granted, the invention of flight, the invention of a car, the invention of a phone, the invention of TV and the ability for man to go in space.
We in our time have witnessed the advance’s of said things we take for granted.  Along with the creation of the Internet, which in my opinion is just as important as the other things I stated above.  I’m looking forward to my older years into what new advances I will see before I leave this earth and go west.  
Long live technology it is the lifeblood of the soul.
Live long and prosper
Dionsol

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

I’d have to concur. Look at where the yesman escort got George Lucas on his more recent efforts.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

I did that once. Spent hours in the courthouse lobby only to have the clerk finally come out and tell us ‘nope, don’t need you, you’re few to leave’.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

‘Online gaming’ for me started with RPGs played over telnet BBS systems, so don’t worry, you’re in good company. :)

BalsBigBrother
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BalsBigBrother

Just got caught up on the podcast and it was worth waiting for as it had a mini Brant (A Bree Rant) and I absolutely agree with it too.  People take a lot for granted and they become blase about them right up to the point that it is no longer there for them  and then its the end of the world for them at least it would seem so from the way many of them carry on in such circumstances.
I have been reminded of this myself recently when I agreed to go look after my dad’s cats for a couple of weeks while he is on vacation.  He lives in the countryside surrounded by cows and all that good stuff. This also means that his internet is not the best in the world and it may take me a few minutes to post what I am typing now.
The remarkable thing is that I can remember a time when he didn’t even have a telephone land line.  He had to walk a mile or so to a phone box if he wanted to ring anyone and relied on the mail as his main form of communication.  The fact that I can now contact people anywhere in the world from the comfort of his house out here in the fields is quite remarkable in that context.  It makes you appreciate what a great thing the internet is, what you can do with it and the difference it makes to people.   
Don’t take anything or anyone for granted, take the time to appreciate it or them for what they are and the difference they can make to people.

I can also remember the play by mail games that Justin mentioned briefly at the end of the podcast. The main one I used to play one called It’s A Crime. That was kind of a gang based resource management thing where the goal was to build up you gang and become the godfather of the city.  I used to play one based around role playing a vampire but I can’t for the life of me remember the name of that one but seem to remember it being more of a creative story writing thing but also a lot of fun.  I also now feel really really old  /sigh

kofteburger
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kofteburger

pfofirefighter The game will code itself now on?

schlag sweetleaf
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schlag sweetleaf
Faction 3
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Faction 3

Looks like Pathfinder has…

*Sunglasses*

Lost it’s Path!

YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!

Amirite guys?

phoenix0401
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phoenix0401

Greaterdivinity phoenix0401 Definitely not on the same level of PFO. Was just going by the show notes so I obviously made a mistake.

Greaterdivinity
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Greaterdivinity

Bree: My hatred comes from their customer support, or complete lack thereof. Needed to contact them once after my account got cleaned out in Vindictus (which itself was odd, as no other account I used the same throwaway login credentials on was accessed. And additionally they quickly put in the secondary pin system afterwards, which leads me to think they had a bigger breach). It took them a year and a half to respond to my ticket. I got, “We’ll get to your ticket soon!” updates every 3 months for about 9 months, then nothing until they actually responded to it. I’d dropped some cash on the game too, so it’s not as if I was a pure F2P account.
Their response? “Welp, nothing we can do about it, have some temporary gear for your highest level character and a few temporary boosts.” And when I requested that they send it to another character, as I no longer played my highest level character, they told me it was impossible and that my ticket was now closed.
Basically, got me so disgusted with them as a company that I barely play Vindictus anymore (despite loving the combat and thinking it’s gorgeous) and am super skeptical about touching any of their other games. Never had any other MMO I’ve played have such awful customer support.

Greaterdivinity
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Greaterdivinity

phoenix0401 It did >.>
It wasn’t as big of a news piece as say PFO laying off almost the entire studio, but they spent a few minutes covering off the Gazillion layoffs.

Greaterdivinity
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Greaterdivinity

pfofirefighter Seriously man, don’t get too emotionally attached to games/brands, especially with something like PFO.
We don’t hate PFO, but you have to be quite wet (cause you’re in…denial! huehue) to think that the current situation is just fine and that the game is in no danger.

Armsbend
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Armsbend

schlag sweetleaf AlexanderDeLarge subtle.  well done.

Armsbend
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Armsbend

phoenix0401 there is a lot to say if considering the future of the game.

pfofirefighter
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pfofirefighter

PFO is not dying.  It is regrouping and will emerge better than ever!

Haters gonna hate though.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

I hope some publisher picks up Pathfinder.

phoenix0401
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phoenix0401

Kinda surprised Marvel Heroes didn’t make the podcast given the love it usually gets but  there may not be any more to say. (Justin: “Some people were fired.” Bree: “Yup.” Justin: “That”s not good.” Bree: “Nope.” Justin: “Okay, moving on…”)

Celestia
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Celestia

Just got home from a torturously boring day of stand by Jury Duty.  Yes, it was even worse than it sounds.  Can’t wait to let my stress melt away and listen to this week’s Massively Op Podcast!

Wratts
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Wratts

Snky I realize that’s intended to be tongue-in-cheek, but it’s a legitimate question.  What happens to the donor who chipped in a day before the announcement, a week before?  Were there disclosures that the company should have been making in their solicitations earlier than they did, or were executives making public statements they knew to be untrue?  
All valid concerns for FTC to look in to, were people misled in any way prior to a shutdown.  Pathfinder probably doesn’t reach the scale needed to compel the feds to look in to it, but if RSI were to go the same way $80-$100M is easily enough for them to investigate whether there was any fraud

schlag sweetleaf
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schlag sweetleaf

AlexanderDeLarge ”  ..complete and utter garbage. “

Liandreth
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Liandreth

Good podcast! Baby even listened with me! :)
Sad about Pathfinder. We were so excited for it in the beginning of the kickstarter. Hubs is a super mega Pathfinder pen and paper fan. But we changed our minds after learning about the pvp. It’s quite the bummer that it went the way it did.
Bree’s EQnect vapourware comments made me think of my kids constantly spouting illumanti confirmed.

AlexanderDeLarge
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AlexanderDeLarge

Pathfinder had every sign throughout its development that it would be complete and utter garbage. I don’t see why anyone would back it. It’s obvious that it was relying on the IP way too much, and a game that can’t carry its own weight without being tied to a popular intellectual property has no business existing.

Damonvile
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Damonvile

I don’t know why I wanted pathfinder to fail, I never want any game to fail. Heck I’d never give pantheon money but I hope they launch one day.
It probably had to do with the paid beta sub and the arrogance surrounding the game from both fans and devs. It’s like they created a little bubble for themselves and tried to exist outside of reality.

this project really reminded me of something I read of Raph Kosters blog once about fans and criticism. Below is taken from it.

People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is. Especially watch out for the ones who tell you that nobody understands your genius.

Snky
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Snky

Any manifestos demanding the FTC investigate the funding for Pathfinder?

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