ArcheAge adds $250 item pack to its store

Sometimes everything comes down to timing. Take ArcheAge's latest store pack, for example. In and of itself it's just a $250 pack, which is hardly new, and the game's one-year anniversary in North America just came around yesterday. But coming on the heels of lengthy downtime and server merges, more lengthy downtime, rollbacks, and compensation for those rollbacks and the downtime... it's not the best possible time to ask players to shell out a hearty chunk of money. Let's just say that.

The pack also includes a version of the house that had previously been given away at PAX, codes for which had been getting quite pricey on the secondary market. Players have also done the math and concluded that the majority of the price is made up of vanity items, which makes the actual value rather personal. So how much do you like your plushies?

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Mike in Melbourne
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Mike in Melbourne

Oh Trion... 

Well, people are free to spend their money how they see fit. But ummmmm....

Zariarn
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Zariarn

Ehra Is this reason I'm reading?   Is that allowed here? 
j/k
I agree.  I don't understand why anyone would be angry about this.  The fluff is totally optional and not pay to win.  If people buy it then the dev/publisher wins.  If they don't sell it, they don't loose anything other than a little time making the advertisement space and developing the cosmetics. 
Honestly, I would have never known about these prices of these packs if it wasn't for the sites making news about it.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

Greaterdivinity Zariarn Great chat!  I respect your opinions even if I disagree on some.  Your respect in this conversation is noted and I appreciate that.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

Ceder Zariarn Greaterdivinity  Blah blah blah!  Same rhetoric, different day with you RIFT hater
tryhards.  I'm willing to bet that you don't even play the game or
haven't touched in months.  You probably know very little to the whole
atmosphere of the game. 
I play it nearly everyday.  The still
release plenty of content regularly.  Free content that is.  I've never
been cheated or taken advantage of due to the way Trion has operated
it's game.  What they're doing is no different than Daybreak, ArenaNet,
NCSoft, Turbine, or others are doing.  The F2P model is very generous
compared to some. 
I can understand that you don't like it. 
Good. But don't talk down to others because they enjoy it.  Whenever I
login to the game, I don't first contact Cedar from massively and get
his opinion on the matter.

usagizero
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usagizero

ThatLanteshGuy If you like reading about it for free, how about a $150 pack that will enhance you enjoyment of reading about it? ;)

ausj3w3l
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ausj3w3l

EatCandy my main issue is that 250 would be about 2 years worth of subscription - i highly doubt there is that much value within this pack. And you will still need to spend money

Ceder
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Ceder

$250 for more snake oil? Those trion kult-aid drinkers should snap that up fast!

Ceder
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Ceder

Zariarn Greaterdivinity "Rift is still well handled."

I've the Brooklyn bridge for sale for you. Real cheap. And I'll even through an acre of swamp land in the Gobi desert for you.

Ceder
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Ceder

Ironwu  PT Barnum was smart.... Hartsman on the other hand....

Digest
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Digest

Cashing out?

BKone
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BKone

Cheap!

Walah
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Walah

spacecampclan The sad part is that people would start acting like they actually had to buy that $1,000 pizza, and walk out not realizing they were there to pick up the free ones.

Walah
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Walah

Qarran Greaterdivinity Zariarn 
The cash shop on foreign versions of ArcheAge had some things removed in the Trion version. Many things were changed for the better. Someone will havce to prove to me how the game is pay to win, since I win all the time and don't pay. 
There are very few games that don't allow speed boosts to positions, so if you want o call all of them P2W then I guess it's just perception. The fact that you can't compete on a high level like @Greaterdivinity stated is a false statement. It will take you longer, but there is no wall that "completely" blocks you from getting there.

Ehra
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Ehra

"Players have also https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comments/3l7k3n/trion_releases_250_awakening_pack/ and concluded that the majority of the price is made up of vanity items, which makes the actual value rather personal."
Isn't that how this stuff is supposed to be done? We're upset that $250 pack doesn't give enough ingame advantage over people who don't buy it?

Estranged
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Estranged

Biggest cajones ever.
https://youtu.be/qak-fmYlBRc

starcallerasterei
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starcallerasterei

Poor ArcheAge. I wanted to like it, I even did like it, but it drove away too many people, and the bots. Thanks to it not giving players faith to keep subbing/buying packs, but locking so much behind cash-walls, all my friends in the game left one by one, which then caused me to leave to.

Of course there was also the fact I chose the server that ended up having Goon Squad on it, and I was on the opposite faction to them. A lot of my friends left the server/game just for that reason too

ArbsX
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ArbsX

Quincha Man the Harpoons!

Zer0K
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Zer0K

Whales Rejoice!

ArbsX
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ArbsX

hardy83 louiedog_ Wasn't Neverwinter Spider Pack 200$?

ArbsX
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ArbsX

BobDobalina louiedog_ Even if XL games is the reason Archeage failed it is still funny to see Trion fucked on the outside of the game stuff that they do have control on.

Qarran
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Qarran

Greaterdivinity Zariarn  Well, I have to say that Archeage vid posted by @Greaterdivinity removes all doubt.  AA is the worst kind of P2W.  Even with the choppy English, the point is extremely clear as soon as he equips his cash shop p2w item.

@Zarjarn, listen man.  If are a good citizen and choose not to you said item or potion, good on  you.  It doesn't negate the fact that the game is P2W.

Enikuo
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Enikuo

breetoplay DahkohtLewin It could also be an attempt to offset losses from the server merges. They probably expected to lose some subs during the merge, even without the issues.

ArbsX
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ArbsX

An I thought 150$ was bad anough.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

Enikuo Zariarn Armsbend All is well my friend :)

Damonvile
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Damonvile

EatCandy Damonvile Even when you don't delete your comments you're not really worth replying to.

Enikuo
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Enikuo

Zariarn Enikuo Armsbend I read your response completely wrong too, apparently. I apologize for that. It looked like you were just piling on, but clearly you weren't.

Damonvile
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Serrenity Damonvile I don't believe developers are responsible enough to not go full on p2w if players ever accepted even a small amount of combat equality in the cash shop. And the monkeys that like to fling poo are not going to evolve enough to ever realize that stats on leveling gear doesn't really make them win at anything.

You did a much better job of explaining your point of view on cosmetics and why you don't like seeing only them in the cash shop than I've ever read, but I'll never agree that it's unfair to sell them there in a f2p game. The alternative, to me, is far worse.

Cash shops in sub games are still just a big laugh to me and I'll never play one so I can't say much more about it.

Damonvile
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Damonvile

EatCandy Damonvile Where do you get that I'm picking on any game ?

Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

Well that's what most of Trion's super pricey packs do, is just bloat it with special vanity items rather than giving anything of real value.

Greaterdivinity
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Greaterdivinity

Zariarn 1. Yup, but I don't see a problem with charging for expansions and then providing the rest of the content for free. Seems to be a pretty fair way to monetize a game.
2. I know, that's what I said...
3. Trion pulled EoN in (because Petroglyph is awful) and tried to turn it into a MOBA and that ended up being a pit of burning money too. As for Warface, it looks like Trion got dropped due to their financial problems with Defiance (it was around the same time), doesn't look good when you're the publisher for a game and suddenly, with no word, you aren't.
For Glyph...it was billed as a digital storefront, barely got any third party games, and now is being pulled back in as a first party launcher. The launcher is incapable of updating multiple games at once (for no fucking reason), and provides literally zero benefit to users. Steam at least provides a number of benefits in terms of social aspects etc., Glyph is just a basic launcher.
4. XL does get blamed, but less so. Publishers always get the blame first for games in other regions. You rarely hear Blue Hole get blamed with TERA has problems, or Devcat when Vindictus has problems, or NCsoft when Aion EU has problems etc. It's always the local publishers that get the brunt of the blame. I agree it should be directed towards both devs/publishers more equally, but the reality is that the publishers are the ones running it in their region and they're the ones responsible for it. If they can't get the developers to make a change, that's on them.
Again, I remember it's totally optional. But it still strikes of extreme greed and doesn't make the game, F2P as a model, or MMO's look good at all.

Detton
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Detton

Celestia Nah, they should offer you a key to a lockbox that has a CHANCE for in-game phone sex services.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

Greaterdivinity Zariarn 
1.   Touche'.....but SWTOR and GW2 charge for their expansion

2.  Boycott is due to ArcheAge, not RIFT.  He actually praises RIFT and it's business model.
3.  End of Nation was DoA.  MMORTS aren't money makers.  Look at the market.  I'm not sure on the warface issue but I don't see how that it makes TRION look bad because it never released under their name.  To me it looks smart because the market is flooded with F2P fps games.  Add in the big named CoD and BF, I don't blame them for backing out whenever they were in a financial crunch.  but I see your point.
I've never had problems with Glyph that wax fixed quickly.(archeage 2.0 excluded)  I have some of the same exact problems whenever I launch Steam.  Of course, it's different for everyone, but whenever I log into any of their games and see players everywhere, I don't think it's a big problem.  Just my opinion.
4.  Share they blame?  They don't.  No one ever blames XL games.  It's always pointed towards Trion. 
I agree with the packs being steep.  Just remember it's totally optional.  Someone will buy it because they feel it's a good value or they clicked the wrong button....haha!  I can't fault any company selling something extremely high if they know someone will pay for it.
Great chat btw.

Cere
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Serrenity SallyBowls1 Damonvile What is interesting to me is that they didn't put any more transmog gear into the shop, and the backlash that gear had in the community. While the pets and mounts were accepted at least grudgingly with a "don't like,don't buy" mentality, the helmets had players with them transmogged getting kicked from random groups in the headlines of most WoW sites.
The pets one is interesting in that pets got a number attached to them with pet battling being introduced, but as they were already in the shop, are largely accepted.
What's also interesting to me is that the microtransactions they probably make the most money with, account services, are usually not mentioned at all when discussing the WoW shop.

Greaterdivinity
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Zariarn Agree on Rift but...
Not many F2P MMOs can say that.

Except Tera, and SWTOR, and Aion, and STO, and Neverwinter, and GW2 (was B2P, but still free content), and a number of other MMO's. Free content for F2P MMO's isn't new or terribly unique.
Magicmann in a previous blog mentioned the greater strengths of Trion and RIFT over other F2P titles.

Indeed, and Rift does indeed provide a lot of free content, including expansion. But remember, Magicmann is also not boycotting Trion due to the Archeage nonsense right now.
TRION looks bad due to their very rough launch of ArcheAge and it's prices, not because of RIFT.

And because of Defiance tanking and basically doing nothing for the past few years. And for End of Nations being a giant pit of burning money. And for making a big deal for a hot minute about publishing Warface and their Red Door Publishing platform only to back away from both. And for Glyph continuing to be a pointless bottleneck and useless launcher.
Also keep in mind that XL games has a lot of influence to what sells and doesn't sell in ArcheAge. 

Then Trion should have decided that they didn't want to publish the game if they didn't feel they had enough control over monetization in the West. They wanted the money though, so they get to deal with their share of the criticism and blame.
And I'm very aware of many of the challenging of maintaining and trying to keep populations stable/growing in F2P MMO's. It's not easy. But that doesn't mean that I think selling $250 packs is the way to go.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

Infraction Zariarn Armsbend He/she isn't just saying they don't like the game.  He/she is criticizing others who enjoy it or pay to play it.  I'm just defending myself is all.  :)

Zariarn
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Zariarn

Greaterdivinity Zariarn Rift is still well handled.  They are still releasing new content and providing it free to players.  Not many F2P MMOs can say that.  Magicmann in a previous blog mentioned the greater strengths of Trion and RIFT over other F2P titles.  TRION looks bad due to their very rough launch of ArcheAge and it's prices, not because of RIFT. 
Also keep in mind that XL games has a lot of influence to what sells and doesn't sell in ArcheAge.
I think people tend to forget that there's no longer just 5 major MMOs to choose from like it was in 2004.  The competition is extremely steep.  Keeping games F2P keeps players in their worlds.  Most major MMOs boosted their populations overnight whenever they changed to F2P.  LOTRO, SWTOR, RIFT, TERA, and DDO are shining examples of MMO that thrived on F2P.  These big business gaming corporations aren't dumb.  They need to make money, even if its selling a horse for $30.

Infraction
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Zariarn Armsbend  You posted that you like it and many have posted that they don't.

Are they not allowed to speak because they don't agree with your opinion?

You would have zero problem with me saying the game is amazing or how awesome it is, but the minute I say something negative its me that needs to get over myself. Perhaps you need to look inward a bit and reflect upon why you are the only one entitled to an opinion.

Its a comment section, were allowed to speak even if we disagree.

SallyBowls1
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Armsbend Zariarn IMO, that is not being fair to Korean developers but would let "developers of the worst games" pass. They can develop MMOs, which Western devs can't anymore.  

If it helps, it shouldn't be that long until China passes Korea.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

Infraction Zariarn Greaterdivinity   With this, I agree.  I have neither like nor dislike because I don't use the store.  But I do understand where you're coming from.  :)

Greaterdivinity
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Greaterdivinity

Zariarn People getting angry over a game they say they don't like nor play.
I gave it shot and would like to again. But it's less about the game and more about the broader impact. It continues to look bad for Trion, a company that's one of the bigger players in the Western MMO scene and had a very good reputation for many years with their handling of Rift.
Beyond that, it reflects poorly on the industry as a whole. Stuff like this is why F2P is still routinely sneered at by others and has such a bad reputation. Stuff like this is why people mock MMO's.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

Snky Zariarn Yes, I agree if a game forced you to buy energy potions.  However, it doesn't force you to do anything.  Does it make it more difficult, yes.  In your defense, I also don't craft all the time either.  So my labor stays pretty constant.  Offline labor as a subscriber alleviates this problem.
I've never bought a labor potion in the store.

Infraction
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Zariarn Infraction Greaterdivinity  The might as well directly sell weapons and armor with how much archeum they shove in their boxes in the cash shop. That has a direct contribution to the power curve in game since crafted gear as superior in the long run.

Its fine if you like that type of thing but there are plenty of people that find it distasteful. Trion is obligated to their company to make money, they just chose a very sleezy way to do it.

Celestia
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Celestia

Trion would be less sleazy by simply stole money from people's bank accounts or offering a paid in-game phone sex service.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

Greaterdivinity Zariarn
Subscribing by your original definition is P2W.  It's not something anyone thinks about but it's essentially true whenever you have a F2P option.  These examples are in response to your original statement.
LOTRO free players have gold caps and content caps.  Gold gives you a much greater advantage to buying big items versus endless raiding in hopes you get the drop.
World of Warcraft's max level is 20 as a f2p player.  You have to pay to advance.  By your original description, that's p2w.
Everquest 2-  It's a little less but you have advantages as a subscriber.  For example, Spell tiers give you a greater advantage in big raids.  You also get access to certain items and perks like the auction house.  This too can be advantagous.   Everquest 1 has basically the same restrictions.  I agree, this is a little weak, but not moot.
https://www.everquest2.com/membership
SWTOR is very restrictive to players.  I'm not talking about credits but rather subscription versus f2p.  If you sub you have unlimited access to warzones, flashpoints, and high-level missions.  With those advantages, you have a greater abilities to get better loot.
See here...
http://www.swtor.com/free/features/

Snky
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Snky

Zariarn Any game that forces you to buy "energy potions" to keep doing what you want is p2w. There is no counter argument to be made. Trion went the FB Flash game model and it's complete garbage.

Raleyr
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Raleyr

They also decreased the credits rewarded for eu customers. As of them EURO value equals to USD for them . They keep the change heh!

teppic
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teppic

ThatLanteshGuy That's been true since open beta.

Sunfyre
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teppic I'm honestly convinced that they are just testing just how much their player base is willing to put up with. There is no other explanation for this. I do hope that no other dev/publisher looks at what Trion is doing and follow suit.

teppic
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teppic

I suppose Trion knows that anyone still playing this utter crap will put up with basically anything the company does now, and they know that there are loads of people who will buy any packs they put out.
The game must be still a huge cash cow for them, and it's clear they have no interest in anything but that - and the reputation they've destroyed is already gone.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

Armsbend Zariarn That's the most entertaining thing you said!   Thank You!

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