Saga of Lucimia prides itself on group-based teamplay

Soloers, you are not welcome in Saga of Lucimia. At least that’s the tone of developer diaries for the upcoming sandbox in which the team boldly asserts that group-based gameplay is the focus of the MMO.

“There are already dozens of solo-friendly MMORPGs out there offering players the instant gratification that the entitled hipster generation of ADD players need in order to stay subscribed,” the team posted a year ago by way of explaining the game’s motivations. “Instead, we are building a group-based game, one that focuses on the epic battles, challenges and rewards that come about as a direct result of being part of something epic in scope… not a single-player storyline where every player gets to become The Hero.”

A more recent dev diary sees Lead Developer Tim Anderson waxing poetical about turning his dream for a game into reality. “For me, it’s the ability to see my imagination coming to light. I couldn’t do this alone; the team and the community are what make this project work so well, and what have brought us to where we are today,” he writes.

Source: Dev diary #1, #2. Thanks to Kinya for the tip!
An earlier version of this post implied both dev blogs were new, when in fact, one is from last year. We have corrected our article accordingly.
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Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

Estranged Funny how that works, ain’t it? Well, there’s always Red Stripe! ^_~

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

Craw Cyroselle Huh, yeah, I do remember them trying to be edgy and acting pretty arrogant regarding their competition. Funny how that all worked out.

TWAnderson
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pfoprophet Also, don’t take it out of context. All of our coders code in their day job. We have a functioning server, and basic combat, and everything is working as intended.
The thing now is that we aren’t happy with Photon. So we’re reaching out to uLink, Forge, and a few other places and talking to their teams and finding out about what our long-term solutions are for authorative server solutions, and determine which one we want to work with. 
Consultations are a normal part of ANY business, and we aren’t afraid to reach out when we don’t know exactly how to do something, and make an educated call so that we can continue moving forward in a proper manner.

TWAnderson
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TWAnderson

Also, anyone who wants to come in and chat with us, feel free to ask us any questions you want :) We stream weekly

TWAnderson
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pfoprophet Nothing new. We’ve been talking about that since the very beginning, last year, and we talk about it every single week, in every single stream :) We are constantly learning, building, researching, and going from scratch. Absolutely proud of what we’ve accomplished with our team, growing from nothing to where we are today :)

pfoprophet
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pfoprophet

Hey on their Tuesdays with Tim Google hangout today they admitted that they had no experience and were reading documents online about how to program the netcode.  Sounds EXACTLY LIKE GREEDMONGER!!!!   Then they said they were reaching out to “consultants” to help them…

CLOWNS

HONK HONK

Radfist
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gdmartello Radfist  That is not what you did, and the fact that you cannot see that is where the problem lies. Here is a less offensive way to say exactly the same thing without being unprofessional:
‘We are creating a game with heavy group reliance and interdependency, we think there are plenty of MMOs out there that cater to solo players and we will not be supporting that type of gameplay in our product. This is not up for discussion as this is one of our core design philosophies.’
Notice how that said exactly what you were delivering without being a jerk to the other group? Plenty of other developers are able to stand their ground without being offensive to people their games don’t cater to, and generally earn the respect of the community.

We all understand the intent of your article, that isn’t the problem.  Plenty of other Kickstarter / Indie developers have said the same thing and no one batted an eyelid.  They just managed to say it without being offensive. 

It isn’t just solo players you are offending / putting off your product.  I lean towards group heavy games like Everquest and I backed Crowfall with an amber package. Some of my guildies were even discussing your game as promising, but this kind of response really doesn’t do you any favours. Is this how you will react to any criticism? Name calling and generalising those who don’t agree with you?

pfoprophet
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pfoprophet

gdmartello pfoprophet
HONK HONK.. look at the CLOWNS!!!

Estranged
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Estranged
Estranged
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Estranged

It is called unprofessional.

Estranged
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Estranged

It is real, damn it!

Estranged
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Estranged

Exclusive,l is exclusive.

Estranged
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Estranged

Yes. We have so many exclusive groups in our culture now, I can’t keep up.
Sure was easier when it was nerds, jocks, preppies, beach bums, hippies and yuppies.

Estranged
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Estranged

LOL
Reason I am laughing is one of my economist friends (that likes cheap beer) was cursing them for raising the price of his favorite by 25%. Supply and demand is a bitch, I told him….

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

Pabst Blue Ribbon isn’t so much old as it’s cheap. The cheap part had a lot more to do with its rise into the hipster drink arsenal.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

It won’t work though, we hardcore players are a diverse lot. Mind, hardcore doesn’t automatically mean ‘jerk’, most of us are quite social and urbane.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

Good to know, thank you!

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

The genre isn’t dead, only diversified. Those old school games still exist, is just that what seems to be wanted is a game with old school dynamics but decidedly new school graphics and UI.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

That’s actually a nice thing. Usually ‘Sandbox’ seems to be equated with ‘Murder simulator’.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

Neo’s name started with a T too.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

I was wondering about that too. I always thought hipsters really liked old stuff, thrift stores and playing their music on vinyl. And of course, making really really sure anyone within earshot knows that they’re doing it.

jackofrost
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“There are already dozens of solo-friendly MMORPGs out there offering players the instant gratification that the entitled hipster generation of ADD players need in order to stay subscribed,”

It’s hipster to call other people entitled hipsters…

HIPCEPTION

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

“The only ones taking offense are those who out was aimed at in the first place”
– In my opinion this is a false statement. There are individuals here that have nothing to do with your insult-target audience who are offended merely by your tone and lack of social graces.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

I think MO will still continue to cover the development at least, if not the developers themselves because Massively OP is still an MMO news blog, and giving us readers the skinny is their raison d’etre.

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aelious
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necrologyx TWAnderson Vexia  You know, for all the flak that Tim is getting about his attitude he has not once wished ill will upon anyone. You on the other hand want to see him, the Stormhaven Studio staff and fans lose out on something they may enjoy on top of being detrimental financially. And for…? You may want to step back and take stock of your thoughts and emotions.

aelious
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pfoprophet Maquiame Radfist palejens  Impossible, people already have their Stormhaven Studios t-shirts. =p

gdmartello
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pfoprophet I’d say given your comments, it’s entirely accurate.

pfoprophet
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gdmartello Radfist Hey CLOWN-  When your CM posts a link titled “The Butthurt is strong” and you think that’s not offensive?  LOL.  HONK HONK.

gdmartello
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Radfist gdmartello I think you are wrong. We are telling you exactly who the game is being built for. You should actually read the articles instead of just the piece that was posted OBVIOUSLY to get this kind of reaction about all of you. We have done nothing offensive, but tell everyone exactly who we are not catering to. The same group of people who have 100 MMOs built for them already.

gdmartello
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Tulerezzer Thank you sir. You totally understand what I was saying.

gdmartello
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Maquiame You are my hero today. Thank you for typing the words my fingers have grown too tired to continue typing.

Craw
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Cyroselle Reminds me a bit of the attitude Wildstar devs had at launch.

pfoprophet
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pfoprophet

I like clowns Sounds like you have found a home!

orionite
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gdmartello You don’t think there is a fine and important difference between “not sugar coating things” and “being needlessly insulting”? It would have been perfectly sufficient to state that this game depends heavily on grouping and it does not cater to solo players. I think we would have got it. 
Let’s face it: you (or “Tim”) is pandering to the LoS fans and folks who enjoy this kind of social conduct, by essentially given them to understand they are better gamers – and in fact people – than that solo riff-raff. Smooth.

pfoprophet
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necrologyx Tulerezzer jacoboblanco They only have around 100 actual players…if that. I’d bet most of those are family members and the clown developers themselves.

pfoprophet
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Tulerezzer pfoprophet Maquiame Radfist palejens There won’t be a game.  Unless it’s a Ringling Barnum one…

necrologyx
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Tulerezzer jacoboblanco Tulerazzer – the point is not that they are making a game we dont like. Heck, there are 10,000 games on steam that arent “for me” and I dont care about them. However these guys have pretty much come out and attacked anyone that plays games differently than they do and its hilarious because the model they are going for is a proven failure. Anyone that is waxing poetic about the wonder years of MMOs being EQ1 or Vanilla WoW are either delusional, were 12 when they came out, or doesnt remember the 30-50 hours a week you had to invest to play the games beyond “log in, do nothing”.

So yeah, these dev’s can blow off. Not only have I told everyone I know in my various gaming circles to avoid this like the plague, but they have passed that along to all their friends. Not one person says “wow, this sounds fun”.

But hey, they have 1500 users on their forums. I looked, my former wow guild has 6000. So congrats, a guild has more people interested in it than your awful doomed to fail game.

I like clowns
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I like clowns

I heard that these developers were CLOWNS.

I must say I am rather impressed.
Keep up the great work!

Tulerezzer
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pfoprophet Maquiame Radfist palejens I’m INSULTED by your dicks and clowns comments! Those words are almost as insulting as hipster and entitled gamer!

I’m glad we won’t see you in game.

Tulerezzer
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jacoboblanco So to recap: You are not a gamer, you are a family guy, you are a real life adventurer with no time for games or gamer relationships, you are on a gamer website, you are a gamer after all (…?), you WERE excited about this game, you WILL NOT play a game that isn’t your play style (solo)… isn’t RL fencing… isn’t RL mountain hiking, you ARE annoyed by a dev for a game that you admit (from the very beginning) is not for you.

No sir, that is NOT the way you do things.

Thanks for that info. Good to know.

You were never going to play this game whether you got annoyed or insulted anyway. Thanks for the hypocritical rant though!

pfoprophet
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Maquiame Radfist palejens pfoprophet No… I certainly don;t think they are AA developers.  In case you missed it.. they are part time wannabe developers with NO experience in game design and NO experience in game development who are lead by a travel blogger wanna be CM.  They think that starting fights with Bree and generally being dicks is good PR.  In short, they are CLOWNS who likely will be asking for funds soon.   This really reminds me of Jason Appleton and GREEDMONGER.  He was the last guy with no experience to try the “be a dick” PR.  Really worked out well didn’t it.

Estranged
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I feel sorry for the hipster types, being lumped in with WoW players must be horrifying. LOL
And yes, who knows what it means anymore. You have hipster originals and then people playing hipster to be cool.
I really don’t know what games a true hipster would play. Pong? Pac-Man?

Estranged
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Estranged

Exactly!

Maquiame
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Radfist Maquiame palejens pfoprophet the fact that the meme went right over your head is the reason why they don’t want prospective customers like yourself. You all think these guys are some AAA developer trying to seek out all the customers they can get by pleasing everyone, they are not. They are trying to weed you out.

Better to do it now instead of arguing on their forums later with those who “have kids and a life and a job and why can’t there be solo content for guys like me?”

pfoprophet
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Maquiame pfoprophet Must be a different Tim.  One that isn’t a dick to prospective customers and Massivelyop staff.   Maybe you guys can swap them.

Maquiame
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Maquiame

pfoprophet

Maquiame
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pfoprophet Neither, I’m not a fanboy at all and I haven’t even invested yet. Honestly I’m not interested in throwback mmos as I’m more interested in evolving mmos like Revival. I’m just keeping an eye out on the game’s progress.

Maquiame
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Maquiame

rabidpanda Maquiame KidWithKnife I see the message quite clear, whether or not the messenger delivered it to me naked, covered in shit with three teeth and a half rotting tongue matters not.

rabidpanda
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Maquiame KidWithKnife If the messenger is pissing in your face… you can damn well bet the message will be lost in the shuffle.

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