Massively OP Podcast Episode 38: BlizzCon strikes back

What did you expect? Of course we're going to be talking about BlizzCon on today's show. While there were no major surprises, there's certainly enough to chew on, especially in regard to Overwatch and World of Warcraft. Bree and Justin (but mostly Bree) have a lot to say about the convention and its reveals.

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TadSaine
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TadSaine

to add to my previous comment:  maybe you could add a section where you ask viewers to vote on which MMO they would like you to play.  i think that could be fun, and a great way to involve the audience.

TadSaine
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TadSaine

this is one of my favorite podcasts.  i really love the show.  i do wish your 'Adventures in MMOs' segment featured a wider variety of games though.  seems like you guys play a lot of Marvel Heroes, Guild Wars 2, and Wildstar, but not much else.  i mean, as an MMO player i understand game addiction and all that, but i think for the sake of the podcast a bit more diversity would be nice.  

thank you for the great work you do.  ...and nothing beats a good Bree rant, so keep 'em coming.  :)

rottenrotny
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rottenrotny

Whole lot of Blizzard hate. Good to see unbiased reporting!

Zzzzzz.

ChristerLindqvist
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ChristerLindqvist

As the others below i also  was abit supprised that Bree said the trailer for the movie looked bad. I mean its WETA workshop that did the armor and ILM that did the CGI. These are two of the biggest studios in the industry. They know their stuff. 

Take a look at the trailer again on youtube in 1080p and you see a big big difference compare to what we saw on that livestream. 
Am kinda chocked. after hearing their reactions. I talked to a handful of ppl i know that never even touched WoW but like fantasy and they really liked what they saw to varying degrees. 

To each is own ofc. But..yeah....it really dident look that bad. Nor that cheesy in comparison to like a lot of crap we get these days.

So while the movie might not be for you guys. And you might not like it. Sure :)
But saying it "looks" like crap is kinda unfair.(if you mean visually)

On the WoW classes. I can understand why they are changing the specs up a bit. Cause to counter what Bree said, no, they really havent felt different enough in a long way. Esp hunters. Marksman and Survival was kinda similar with the difference of one or two shots.
Compare that to now: One with pet as both are fighting in melee. Another spec is without any pet. And the third is all about the pet.
So yeah. big difference there.

PS: The "moses" kid is non other then Thrall, son of Durotan! ;)

shayneary
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shayneary

It doesn't sound like you guys are the target audience for the Warcraft movie :P

Zukkitude
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Zukkitude

I think you are being completely ridiculous saying the trailer looked poor.... The CGI isn't that bad.. Look at the Marvel films. The origin movies are always shit and in hindsight still look shit, yet people lap it up!
I actually think that the story in the Warcraft movie will be so much stronger that that of the Marvel / DC origin films.
I know that only time will tell but Bree is so jumping on the I hate blizzard bandwagon, this wasn't rational journalism, it was two people bashing something because... Then referencing everything to Guild Wars... Sad times.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

Esoteric Coyote breetoplay I suppose it doesn't, just that it's why D3 was basically shoved into a corner at BlizzCon. :( Next to Blizzard's other games, it just doesn't have the ongoing money-making abilities.
Wtb Diablo Online.

KenAddeh
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KenAddeh

Dope_Danny Flimflamberge Animation Grad here - And yes, from my perspective, it does feel like its a humans minimal-CG vs Orcs maximum CG.
It's pretty obvious that Orcs were the priority, as expected, since they are a big element of film. I also agree that the Humans+CGI elements looked below-current-standard VFX work. I can only hope this is still work-in progress. I know from friends that work in VFX and have worked with marvel films, they do throw some stuff in trailers that they eventually rework over and over again to get the desired look.
Unfortunately - the trailer wasn't too gripping in general for me.

Dope_Danny
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Dope_Danny

Flimflamberge Dope_Danny I don't think its a case of "VFX FOREVER, CGI IS GARBAGE!" really, but this is Orcs vs Humans. With half the cast going to be CGI its no question "make the orcs look good" was top priority, i mean thats obvious right?

But sometimes on a production time and priorities can snowball and some stuff takes precedent. So i can understand the rest looking not so hot with reasonable cause.

But that doesnt stop some sections looking like Dragonball Evolution y'know?

Esoteric Coyote
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Esoteric Coyote

breetoplay Esoteric Coyote Botting was, and probably still is, a huge problem in D3, so I don't really think the RMAH was a good idea.  On paper it sounds awesome, in practice less so.  I loved the idea of being able to sell stuff for real money, but playing it back then, all I did was spend all my gold just trying to get cheap upgrades because I only got a few drops that were ever good.  If they brought back a system like that, I'd want an option to opt out and stick with the better rewards we got after the death of RMAH.  It actually feels rewarding to play.
I'm not even sure if game like D3 needed to have monetization.  DLC and Expansion packs worked fine for it's predecessors and other games, why not D3?

Kanbe
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Kanbe

Justin, best intro ever. I was laughing so hard at all the blizzcon cracks

BalsBigBrother
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BalsBigBrother

McGuffn BalsBigBrother Draegoth guilty admission I actually enjoyed the D&D film with Jeremy Irons that Bree and Justin referenced in the podcast.  I try to go into film with realistic expectations and all I wanted from the D&D movies was something that was entertaining enough to make me forget daily life for a couple of hours while I stuff my face with popcorn, which it did for me.
Some films are meant analysed and discected to the nth degree for their deeper meaning or intricate plots, while others you just enjoy for the sake of it (and eat popcorn).  I expect the the WoW movie will fall firmly in the latter but I imagine a good number of people will treat it like the former (and be disappointed as a result).

Flimflamberge
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Flimflamberge

Dope_Danny Well, Mad Max: Fury Road was in hell for a long time after filming, which was itself a major struggle, but that turned out awesome.
Of course, Fury Road mostly just used the CG it had to enhance actual action. That's a lesson far too late for Warcraft.

Dope_Danny
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Dope_Danny

I'm a Film grad whos worked low level in the industry for a few years and my reaction to the Warcraft trailer was a very confident impression that the Orc CGI probably took longer than intended to get right and so other elements of the fx department havent been given as much time. The Orcs looked pretty good, but then you see the humans floating on a greenscreen looking stormwind with some of them even lacking shadows and i just hope that was early none pre-prod footage to pad the trailer, because if thats the finished product? yeeesh.

But the rumours out of Legendary employees has been that it was close to development hell for a few years and Jones has been hastily trying to save a production that was completely falling apart so maybe it will surprise us all?

I hope it does but i can separate my Warcraft love from my professional objectivity and say every Fantasy movie the last decade has had to follow up the fellowship of the ring where Jackson and Weta set the bar visually. Its like the henson workshop period again, you dont get a free pass because the audience has their barometer right now. For an audience who by and large is largely into comic book movies right now i imagine they are hoping releasing post Star Wars means some semblance of sci fi/fantasy will be the hot ticket again and who knows maybe it will?

*and of course we gotta bear in mind in the mainstream WoW is not the common name in pop culture it was around 2008 when it was goddamn EVERYWHERE, today its never referenced outside the mmo community bar as a joke about update cadence so is there even going to be a none wow player audience for it anymore?

SallyBowls1
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SallyBowls1

Re MMO tourist - I agree that moving in and out of MMOs is SOP these days.  Losing half your subs from launch to nadir in an expansion is not near as bad in 2015 as 2005.

So I propose a new term - 
MMO tourist - Mr & Ms First Nighter who play the FOTM and then move on
vs
Recidivist - someone who keeps returning.  Just because the new WoWS/WS/SWTOR/HOT/FO4/SWBF  is the most interesting atm, it does not mean they won't return.

Celestia
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Celestia

"Venus Rising Live Blog" needs to be a weekly column.  hehe

McGuffn
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McGuffn

BalsBigBrother Draegoth I don't know, it looked really bad. The characters without makeup/cgi looked like they belonged in one of those low budget pornos. The ones that are so bad they have a plot.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

Esoteric Coyote Re the RMAH - Yep, inflation blows now too, but it's not like poorbies are any better off now. They still can't get what they want/need. Creating legit gold*sinks* is a separate problem Blizz should've addressed (and is moving slowly to address now), separate from the RMAH. They chose to appease the wrong crowd, grrrr.

Esoteric Coyote
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Esoteric Coyote

I've been spending Fallout 4 day making snackies for my husband who was so excited for the release.  I made blueberry creamcheese pastries, fingerling sandwiches and homemade hotpockets (which are basically just buns stuffed with tasty stuff.  Homemade bread is super easy.) 
Wildstar!  The architect crafting profession is kind of addictive huh?  Love doing that.  I'm making a plushie petting zoo on my engineer's plot and a creepy voodoo type forest on my medic.  Going for a witch doctor creepy witch healer theme.  
As for Warcraft movie... it looks super stupid, but fun.  So popcorn movie all around.   It might be the first movie I've seen in like 4 years in theaters just because I have such a history with it.
The problem I had with RMAH is just inflation.   You could buy millions of gold for a quarter, and the good items were selling for billions.  Imagine how bad it be now?  I'm sure people have trillions of gold now.

Syppi
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Syppi

Regarding any sound concerns: I just got a new Yeti mic today (I've been having to make due with a faulty headset for a while now), so hopefully next week's show will sound a lot better!

BalsBigBrother
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BalsBigBrother

Draegoth  my guess is it's going to be one of those movies that will be savaged by mainstream movie  critics but the genre fans will lap it up.  
At this point I personally have no expectations either way and will wait until I have seen it before I decide whether it's a good movie OK or not

SoMuchMass
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SoMuchMass

One thing with the King acquisition you have to understand is the amount of money it makes.  Looking at the last four quarters of data available (3Q'14 - 2Q'15) it made 1.7 billion in revenue in one year.
Also, I think one of the reasons the movie didn't resonate well with some people is that because it told no story.  It was a bunch or random clips that told us nothing unlike the WoW trailer.  Closer to launch of the movie when we see story type of trailers, you might like it more.

Draegoth
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Draegoth

The movie trailer looked fine and I believe it's modelled after the original Orcs vs Humans, you can't start a story in the middle and have it make sense. This will leave them room to expand on the story in the future.

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