Rumor: Red 5 plans to pay Firefall staff today, but concerns linger

Last weekend’s rumors of a Firefall developer pay snafu were strengthened by a Reddit-vetted anonymous Red 5 employee and other industry voices. Now, it appears that payroll might make it this week. The same anon Red 5 dev told Reddit about an all-staff company meeting:

So we will be paid via direct deposit on the 30th. That’s been promised.
They started the meeting by claiming that they’ll be taking legal action against anyone that posted the “we have no money” email on social media. Nice to know they have money for that.
They also stated that they might switch to monthly paychecks, so we don’t know when the next paycheck actually is.
They said a bunch of crap about how we all need to pull together as a team and make the relaunch a big success! And that’s going to also determine the future of the company.
Being in the office today is unbearable. I can’t stand it.

The claim appears to support earlier reports that the meeting “confirmed that due to potential investments falling through, the company could not pay employees on time.” So far as we are aware, there have been no additional layoffs, and the relaunch is seemingly going forward.

Massively OP spoke to a representative at Red 5 on Monday, but there is still no official statement about the payroll issues.

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Midgetsnowman
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Sorenthaz Midgetsnowman davidemo89 bauhau5 hay, at least theyre getting paid on time regardless, eh? :P

scratches16
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Madda
Uh, SyFy? Scratches sees Madda is confusing this with Defiance…

cheesybites76
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cheesybites76

Karl_Hungus Two notches above Massively OP-certified lol.

cheesybites76
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bauhau5 It does have some cool features.  Trouble is, the entire game world is about the size of my kitchen, and has been for about 5 years now.
Priorities, Red5.  Priorities.

BritoBruno
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Midgetsnowman mark16 I don’t think Mark is the one to blame in this instance. Sure, he did a bunch of crap, but they took him off, and didn’t meet a good view for the game. There’s more to it than Mark. I guess that the whole “suit departments” of Red5 is completely screwed-up in their heads.

BritoBruno
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SoMuchMass Nyres DeadlyAccurate Employers ae not loyal to employees, employees should be professional, but not sell their souls to their employers.

Sorenthaz
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Damonvile Yeah good point.  They probably blew a good amount on pre-launch advertising stunts (i.e. getting celebrities on livestreams and stuff) and in general seemed to have a pretty chaotic handling of things.  I imagine the game is decent/solid now but they need to pretty much do this “relaunch” to make people aware of the improvements and such.

Loopstah
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carson63000 jeremy2020 Loopstah <3

Damonvile
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Damonvile

This is a 100 million dollar mmo. The only reason they have no money now is because they squandered what they were given.

Armsman
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Yeah, most likely they’re switching to monthly payroll so when the 15th rolls around, they don’t need to outlay any cash – and can get another full month before those that can’t immediately transition to other employment ask: “So, where’s my paycheck this month?”
I hope those affected can find comparable positions with other developers who CAN meet their payroll obligations soon.

carson63000
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jeremy2020  Amen. I can survive a couple of months without a paycheck, but I know that I’m in a fortunate position, and I certainly know that not everyone is as lucky as I am. I have a good job (at a company that makes payroll on time!) and have not been struck by any unexpected crises that destroyed my savings. Two statements that are simply not true for a lot of people.. even in the first world, Loopstah !!

carson63000
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carson63000

SoMuchMass DeadlyAccurate When your employer says they’ll pay you “as soon as possible”, you need to find a new job as soon as possible.

carson63000
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carson63000

jeremy2020 breetoplay Styopa Damonvile I’m not breetoplay, but I endorse that message, and yes, I am speaking from experience!

carson63000
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carson63000

Hope the job interviews are going well. First rule of working for small companies: the instant payroll is even one day late, get your résumé out there and start applying for jobs. You don’t want to be the last one off the ship when it sinks, especially in an industry like game dev where all of your co-workers will be competing with you for a small pool of opportunities.

Sorenthaz
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Midgetsnowman davidemo89 bauhau5 All 5 of them who work on Defiance.  :p

Candysalmon
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Candysalmon

bauhau5 It used to offer uniqe stuff. Now its a shit run of the mill mmo. Movement mechanics are the ONLY good thing in the game.

Candysalmon
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Candysalmon

This article says it all about the current state of Firefall. There have been far and few between articles on the game and moreso on the Company.

They need to rescrap the game and start from scratch for the 15th time.

Samizdat
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Samizdat

The Expanse is fantastic.

Loopstah
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jeremy2020 Loopstah Goronmon Armsbend And if you read my above posts, you will see that i acknowledge that the company f-ed up and did not give the employees a notice ahead of time. I’m not defending the company, but i’m also not defending the guy going public.

jeremy2020
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Loopstah jeremy2020 Goronmon Armsbend You do realize that the large percentage of people can’t survive a “couple months” without a paycheck? 

Red5 has had years of time. This isn’t the 1st time they have had issues. 

The unprofessional part is the company not giving the employees a headsup that they would not be getting paid. I might agree with you if they told them two weeks ago or even at anytime prior to people looking at their bank accounts and not seeing money.

Loopstah
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jeremy2020 Loopstah Goronmon Armsbend Lol i don’t need to be privileged to be able to survive couple of months without a steady income. But that’s not the point of my argument and you know it.
Instead of dealing with the issue internally, and giving management time to rectify the mistake they made, this person jumped the gun and announced to the world what was happening. It was a childish and unprofessional reaction.

Lhumierre
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Roughrider I’m 100% talking about Defiance, I was commenting on SyFy shows.

Roughrider
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jeremy2020 A Dad Supreme Madda I think they are confusing Firefall with Defiance.

Roughrider
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Roughrider

So wait… They are threatening to  potentially sue employee(s) that have NO money because they can’t make payroll and someone blabbed that they can’t buy xmas presents for their kids? Makes perfect sense.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

Red 5 has now issued a formal statement to us (and presumably other media). New post here:

Red 5 says all Firefall devs have now been paid, rebuts rumors of doom

jeremy2020
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Lhumierre I wish that of most MMOs ;)

Sorenthaz
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Samizdat Sounds similar (back like 4-5 years ago) to what happened with Global Agenda.  Unique idea for the most part and had some interesting stuff that made a shooter MMO seem legit, but was managed poorly and HiRez was bleeding money with that game.

jeremy2020
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Loopstah Goronmon Armsbend What sort of life of privilege do you lead? Could I survive without a paycheck or two? Sure, but people have bills to pay. Mortgages, rent, etc. Those have due dates.

Sorenthaz
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Damonvile To me it feels familiar to how Global Agenda was handled, but Red 5 decided to keep sticking and pushing it forward rather than scrapping it to move on to a different/better project.

jeremy2020
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Loopstah Kanbe to be fair the second Red5 did something wrong was years ago

jeremy2020
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Samizdat Unemployment Benefits cost a company money and Red5 doesn’t get a choice in that.

jeremy2020
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A Dad Supreme Detton I’d have to imagine many of them saw the writing on the wall before this…there are considerations though. Tough to interview in another city or state for example when you have an existing job. Quitting and looking for a new job isn’t necessarily financially responsible especially if you are supporting a family. If you quit and the company goes under, you’re not eligible for severance or unemployment benefits. 

In short, I’d say a lot of them have been looking for something new, but giving up an existing paycheck without a new one guaranteed to be coming would be tough.

jeremy2020
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jeremy2020

mark16 Maybe Rhode Island will give them a loan?

jeremy2020
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Samizdat I liked the game when I tried it out, but even back then, the studio was a distastercluck so I didn’t invest into the game knowing it was likely to bomb out.

jeremy2020
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jeremy2020

breetoplay Styopa Damonvile Speaking from experience? :)

jeremy2020
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A Dad Supreme Madda I’m really liking The Expanse

Midgetsnowman
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Budukahn shiockingly enough, most governments do have laws detailing just how to accomplish that

Midgetsnowman
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Midgetsnowman

davidemo89 bauhau5 the other difference with defiance is trion pays their employees.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

Styopa Damonvile Until they stop paying you, that’s how long. :P

Lhumierre
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Lhumierre

davidemo89 I liked defiance a lot more due to the show and lore.

davidemo89
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bauhau5 it is not mich different than defiance. But it’s unique in Open world MMOTPS PVE games. The only other game is defiance, there are no others.
Planetside 2 could be similar but is only pvp.

Lhumierre
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Budukahn Well Yes, What happens is if the employee’s win then it’s a transfer of debt. They get paid from the court and then Red 5 management then has to work out a way to pay back the state of wherever they got served.

Lhumierre
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Lhumierre

You know, I still Wish Firefall was like the first trailers and videos I saw of it eons ago. You know the videos that was actually all fucking lies and they used Adobe After Effects and the like to stage ingame scenes that never existed :/

Midgetsnowman
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Midgetsnowman

mark16 Mark kern all but destroyed any chances this game had with his “management”

Lhumierre
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Lhumierre

A Dad Supreme I liked Defiance but The Expanse is actually really good. I haven’t cared much about a show since Battlestar Galactica

A Dad Supreme
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Madda “Because SyFy is known for their great taste in film.”
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I have to say, their latest shows this fall have been pretty good, all things considered. Maybe there is hope.

Madda
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This game need to be put down. It’s clawing at its oxygen mask while moaning, “Kill me….Kill…me…”
Company-wise, Madda can only hope people are scrambling to find new jobs in this disaster. The first mention of being apologized for not being able to be paid, but being threatened legal action for outing them screams, “we have no hope in our product on the market, so we’re going to sue any of you nerds that tell anyone about it so we can at least get some money back.” regardless if there’s an NDA or not.
Last note: It’s not surprising that a game based off of the SyFy series went south. Because SyFy is known for their great taste in film.

Samizdat
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Samizdat

No loss if he was planning on quitting anyway. Doesn’t look like Red5 is in a position to pay severance at this point.

Samizdat
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Samizdat

Firefall is very different from any other MMO on the market. The movement, the FPS mechanics, the thumping/crafting system, the dynamic ARES missions, gliders, zone events, and so on. All unique in concept or at least execution, and a few since cloned by other games.
This isn’t a lack of demand, it’s just poor management on Red5’s part going back years.

Styopa
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Damonvile Agreed.
Given the clusterfuck that Firefall was and pretty much has-always-been, I’m astonished that anyone a) still works there or b) would be even mildly surprised at fiscal trickery/mismanagement/failure.

Seriously, how long do you have to watch a slow-motion trainwreck before you jump the heck OFF?

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