John Smedley on player emulator projects: ‘Good for them’

Ex-Daybreak President John Smedley took to Twitter last night to throw his support behind MMO emulator projects. While most studios publicly ignore or condemn these fan projects, it was a well-known secret that Daybreak held a favorable attitude about them.

“I’ve been asked recently about my feelings on emulators like SWG Emu and things like Project 1999,” he posted. “Now that I’m no longer at Daybreak/SOE I can speak my mind. Truth is I’ve always respected the hell out of the people that work on the emulator stuff. Good for them. I would love to have turned over the source code for older games as long as it’s handled properly. Anyone that has that kind of passion and backwards engineers a server is someone I respect highly.”

Smedley clarified his position while hinting at how his new job as head of an unnamed studio could be openly friendly toward such projects: “I’m not a big fan of [emulators] charging since that’s a can of worms licensing-wise (most game companies use third-party tools). But as a rule I’d like to be supportive of efforts like that in the future. At my new company that’s what we are doing.”

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David Vraniak

If anyone remembers The Realm Online there is a newer free private server available. https://discord.gg/FrEkt49 is their discord and website is https://mistwalkers.co

PhoenixDfire
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PhoenixDfire

I would have loved them to release the code for MXO (No pun intended) but I know that WB would never have allowed that to happen.

The MXO community would have taken that game somewhere amazing because it had such potential.

Valcan321
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Valcan321

Anatidae Did you ever think he meant that He/They didn’t have the rights to let that code go? No? OK.

Anatidae
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Anatidae

“I would love to have turned over the source code for older games as long as it’s handled properly”

So, uh… there is this thing called open source. Even a little tool called GitHub allowing the community to collaborate.
/sarcasm

Drives me nuts to hear some lame “oh, I wish I could” when it’s obviously not true. If you want to share the sources Smedley, man up and open license it and give it to the world. Don’t hide behind some lame “as long as it’s handled properly” BS.  Less talk, more action.

Radfist
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Radfist

melissaheather Zariarn They were actually decent at launch, but they butchered the hell out of them just to get the game running smoothly.  So many cool facial options were lost in the cull.

Union Jack
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Union Jack

So loved Vanguard and would play on Emu just as I am with Project 1999 now the community rocks on 1999 it’s so sick.

DPandaren
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DPandaren

Sorenthaz Avarius Rozyn I don’t think it’s that too similar. Only because Blizzard has gone to say that those things were bad, where as SOE/DBG never really said anything about them. They never even bothered to acknowledge them even when they’re talked about on their forums.

Smiggins
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Smiggins

Muthaphukin Jawas!

Smiggins
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Smiggins

BritoBruno Warhammer was a great game if you like PVP. The problem was the game launched with its main function being broken, aka capturing territory. At launch the territory capture mechanic was broken so no one could capture land, so the only thing you could do was play battlegrounds, that got old quick.

magogjack
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magogjack

Zariarn The one mmo I would commit to if it had a good population.

TimothyTierless
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TimothyTierless

Sorenthaz I hope its more SWG style stuff but if he says anything about SWG vets finally coming “home” again I’m throwing in the towel for good! Darnit Smed, I….I just can’t stay away from the fire! SWG was too good! Its placed me on an eternal hook of nostalgic hope and recreation!

BritoBruno
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BritoBruno

Being a bit on the shill/fanboy side:
I’m loving Return of Reckoning. I’m not huge on Warhammer, but the game itself is fun as hell. It’s an alpha, so, a lot of broken things, but the staff itself wants the emu to be the game that Warhammer could have been. They’ll try to balance classes out, avoiding Mythic mistakes, and all in all, i just like it.
They want a lot of people to play, since NA times are suffering a little.

Skyewauker
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Skyewauker

melissaheather Skyewauker You would think, yea, but thats not the case with Basilisk and a couple of the other servers.  I can understand Basi, but not the other couple I’ve tried.

enamelizer
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enamelizer

Skyewauker ThreeSpeed Smed touched on it, and the real issue is third party technologies. They might be able to open source the code they wrote, but these systems are built on a lot of code licensed from other companies that they cannot re-license and release open source.
Then you end up with a situation like Ryzom, where the code that is release is incomplete and a lot of work goes into re-writing the third party code that is missing.

enamelizer
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enamelizer

Jack Pipsam  Nah, Bethesda/Zenimax is one of the most sue happy game companies out there. Their lawyers being extremely aggressive led to both them suing Mojang over a single word, as well as blocking a Fallout MMO and thus getting the IP removed from the original creators of the Fallout IP.
I have boycotted Bethesda/Zenimax since Fallout 3 simply due to their IP trolling.

melissaheather
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melissaheather

Skyewauker i would expect all those things to be remedied by having the source code eh?

melissaheather
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melissaheather

Zariarn we can haz better avatars though? they’re horrible.

teehee2
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teehee2

Smedley is a great guy and was a great SOE president.  Gamers owe him a ton of respect and gratitude.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

Smedley, go resurrect Vanguard!  Wishful thinking on my part.

StClair
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StClair

breetoplay ManastuUtakata Yup, there’s ICON, and Paragon Chat, where you can at least run around on the maps and chat with people.  No powers, no fighting, but you can see the city again.

Skyewauker
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Skyewauker

The thing I really want us a true server.  Thats what I mean in my other comments.  Its not really the source code I was talking about.  If you go to the swgemu main server, its decent, but man, its just not the same game.  Mob density outside of the cities is horrendous.  Spawning in lairs doesn’t work right 99% of the time.  I just want someone to get the game to where it feels like the real deal.  I just don’t think it will happen, especially with the fractured development community.

Skyewauker
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Skyewauker

Dystopiq I dont see how.  The code , like others have said was leaked like a year ago.  Thats why, when you go to the SWG reddit, you see every 13 year old and their Mom opening servers.  They will leave you alone as long as you aren’t charging / making money off of it.
Its been the downfall pretty much of the swg emu (not swgemu) community.  We need 1, maybe 2 servers.  1-2 servers , 2-4 k players on each.  We don’t need 50 servers with 200 players each.  Its horrible how it is now.  Basilisk went from 2k + to like 800 now and its by far the best server when it comes to true pre-cu.

Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

Avarius Rozyn Yeah, imo it’d be similar to if a former big name at Blizzard gave a thumbs-up to the WoW private servers that emulate Vanilla/BC/WotLK.

Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

TimothyTierless I am curious about what his new company is going to be like.  Will they actually pursue sandboxes like he was preaching about doing on his blog a year or so ago before the transition into DBG?  ’cause I’d totally support that direction.  
To me it almost sounds like he plans on doing stuff that actually allows for private servers, like H1Z1 was supposed to originally do.

Rozyn
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Rozyn

Avarius Rozyn Oh, I have no issue with that I just know that those in the business sometimes have a hard time justifying EMUs for games that are still profitable. I’d freaking LOVE an EQ2 EMU and would play it in a heartbeat. The current game is such a bloated mess that I couldn’t even enjoy their TLE for long as it bled through even there.

Avarius
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Avarius

Rozyn “Still running” isn’t very applicable to EQ, in my opinion. The EQ we have today is a caricature of what it used to be. While I don’t really care for Project 1999 myself, I think it’s true at heart to the original EQ and a very different game from what DBG is running now.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

ManastuUtakata There were a few. One got threatened out of existence, and the other(s) — there were probably some even I didn’t know about — kept so quiet to avoid NCsoft’s wrath that I don’t even know whether they exist anymore, and they had so few players because of the secrecy that they didn’t really feel quite like something booming like SWGEmu.
There’s ICON, though. :D

Rozyn
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Rozyn

WandaClamshuckr This is usually the time of year I’d pop into Vanguard for a month or two. QQ

Rozyn
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Rozyn

It’s interesting to see him say that about a game that’s still running – and charging money, but I guess he doesn’t work there anymore so he can say whatever he wants now lol. I do think that any person who’s worked on games would support them being kept alive and enjoyed after they’ve been officially shut down. It’d be nice if a company would look at their game’s plan for 20 years down the road and just figure on giving out the source code once it’s no longer profitable to them. Or if companies would just let people run whatever servers they want in the first place >.>

LordOfBread
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LordOfBread

Dystopiq but what if they found the code on a street or received it in a prophetic vision? Or simply hosted the game server in Zimbabwe?

Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

Skyewauker rioinsignia ThreeSpeed If I had to guess that’s because the emulator isn’t even on their radar because 1. it isn’t charging money and 2. It’s not attracting that huge of an audience.

Dystopiq
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Dystopiq

Any emu that used that code would get sued into oblivion.

CthulhuDawg
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CthulhuDawg

WandaClamshuckr I miss vanguard, my feels hurt now.

Jack Pipsam
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Jack Pipsam

Skyewauker rioinsignia ThreeSpeed More or less it’s legal issue than anything else.
Copyright law in the USA can be strange, leading to innocents like when Bethesda sued Mojang over “Scrolls”.
I am sure Bethesda in its heart of hearts didn’t want to do it, due to the massive negative PR, but felt compelled by law.

TimothyTierless
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TimothyTierless

So…Smed gonna make a SWG EMU, Smed Wars Galaxies? :D

Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

ManastuUtakata There were some private servers once upon a time.  Never actually played on them but I remember seeing that a few existed ages ago.

GODMODE
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GODMODE

Yeah I rather play a completed true swg project over any new mmo to date. I still wish there was a way for DBG to set back up swg with all of our stuff from pre-cu days but something would be better than nothing.

Skyewauker
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Skyewauker

LordOfBread Pretty much the only thing we could hope for.

Cramit
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Cramit

ManastuUtakata Not that I’m aware of, been looking for one for awhile.  Think there are only spiritual successor games being made for CoH.

ManastuUtakata
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ManastuUtakata

Any CoH ones out there? Or is that a question I should be asking here? :(

Cramit
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Cramit

I’ve had a great time on Project 1999.  I have to agree with them that they do the best classic EQ server by far.  EMU projects are great though, logged into the shadowbane ones a couple times and DAoC one as well. Wish they were more prevalent but can understand why.

vicariousfan
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vicariousfan

it would be nice if EMUs could get more support from the original creators of the game but obviously for legal reasons they can’t. 

The most impressive EMU i have seen so far is still the Warhammer Online one.  It’s been running about less then 1 year and it is in really good shape.

LordOfBread
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LordOfBread

What if someone might accidentially leak the server source code and speed up the whole SWG emu process….

GODMODE
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GODMODE

Skyewauker rioinsignia ThreeSpeed if they cared, it would be shut down by now.

Skyewauker
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Skyewauker

rioinsignia Skyewauker ThreeSpeed Dunno why.  They don’t care about the emulator.  As long as its Not-for-profit I doubt they care at all.

rioinsignia
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rioinsignia

Skyewauker ThreeSpeed Disney probably would care quite a lot right now.

WandaClamshuckr
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WandaClamshuckr

Oh, Smed, dishing out wisdom from his secret lair.

Maybe they allowed him to have the code for Vanguard when he..*cough* left.  That would be a fun surprise.

Skyewauker
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Skyewauker

ThreeSpeed I wish DBG would just go ahead and release the source code now.  I can’t imagine LA would care at this point.  I admire the SWGemu guys, but it just doesn’t feel like SWG.

ThreeSpeed
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ThreeSpeed

I wish more companies had this attitude.  I know how it feels to be very invested with friends, time and money in an mmo and have it shut down.

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