The Oculus Rift costs a staggering $599

Did you think the Oculus Rift would be $350? Not so fast: Oculus is asking $599 US for its sweet chunk of virtual reality equipment.

As promised, pre-orders for the Oculus Rift opened this morning. The $599 bundle includes the headset, sensor, Oculus Remote, cables, Xbox One Controller, and its two flagship games. Those listed for sale as of press time will ship in April of this year (this date apparently shifts as more are sold).

Oculus is also planning a Reddit AMA for later this afternoon.

Of note to MMO players, the Rift will ship with a free copy of CCP’s EVE-spinoff VR shooter EVE Valkyrie, as announced last month. Oculus’ Touch controller, however, will not make the launch; it’s been bumped to the second half of 2016.

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boredinBC
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boredinBC

I am entirely unsurprised at the cost for OR.   I fully intend on getting one, but I plan on upgrading or redoing my rig first.  I also haven’t decided if I will purchase the PS VR first…it’s the more logical choice as the first iteration of it will be more easily compatible with my PS4s hardware and likely less buggy, at the expense of having a more closed ecosystem.

I usually wait for the second iteration of hardware before I buy anything anyways…VR headsets will be a late, late 2016 or early 2017 purchase for me.

deleted_79192583_wahnsinnicK
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deleted_79192583_wahnsinnicK

Tufty Google has already something like that … called “cardboard”.

Humble48
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Humble48

melissaheather I don’t see how that’s any different than what we already deal with as consumers. Most people don’t get both XBOX and PS4, and even Wii U. Unless you have an unlimited budget, you don’t get everything, so you choose which one will be the best suited for you and which one you’ll most like use the most. This is no different. 

This is no different than buying a good monitor for your computer….and those also cost a lot of money.

Lhumierre
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Lhumierre

A Dad Supreme My phone was only $399 completely unlocked with no commitment and my phone does more than all of those phones combined. Yes I have a Google Nexus

Lhumierre
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Lhumierre

CloakingDonkey I’m not trying to run VR, nor am I interested or give a damn about VR.

melissaheather
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melissaheather

My issue with the price is that they are effectively forcing people into one and only one VR solution.   This means, in my case, I’m going to sit on the fence about a whole other year.   I will wait for Vive and PSVR to launch and see how all 3 compare.   I won’t spend this kind of money more than once.
I’d stated it this way on another tech site:  The problem with this pricing is that it’s early-adopter pricing, but we are supposed to be past that point now.

melissaheather
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melissaheather

PaganRites if you can run Star Citizen you should be able to support the Rift.   They say GTX 970.   The 980ti is Much more powerful than that.

ApathyCurve
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ApathyCurve

And it will fail, just as HMD technology has failed every time it’s been tried in the past.  But headstrong children do not listen; they must learn the hard way.

dorn2
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dorn2

CloakingDonkey dorn2 
Forgot one thing:
I estimate in 2 years this exact same headset will cost $150 at
most.  It would be closer to $75 but there are a few odd components
like the lenses.  For $200 I bet you’ll get a top end headset.

In the end the largest cost is still going to be your actual PC>

dorn2
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dorn2

CloakingDonkey dorn2 
Why does it have to replace normal monitors? Do I throw out my headphones because I have speakers?  Do I trash my weed whacker because I have a lawn mower?  Maybe you think I should replace my silverware with sporks?
It’s a monitor.  They’ll keep making them.  They’ll keep getting cheaper.

dorn2
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dorn2

SallyBowls1 dorn2 Madda 
That’s true but all of them will support porn in the future.  No matter which one you get the porn will always keep working.

dorn2
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dorn2

Serrenity wjowski dorn2 
Software isn’t games.  Plus not everything “interactive” is a game.  Porn and other types of video are the foot in the door.  Games are just the “publicly acceptable face” of VR.  After people buy the headset (for porn) there are lots of things that they’ll try.

Personally I don’t believe the first games will be the best things on VR either.  Probably the first “wow” moment will be a true 3d movie.  Take something like Source Maker and allow it to print out 3d cutscenes and it’s over.

dorn2
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dorn2

Serrenity dorn2 Satyros 
I read that a bit differently than you.  They’re cell phone screens still.  Just extreme cutting edge ones. Extreme cutting edge always costs way more.
Higher pixel density? The cell phones have been pushing this higher and higher all along.
High refresh rate?  This indeed isn’t something cell phones would shoot for but it’s not something that you can just custom order.  It’s inherent to the LED technology and the control board.

So after you cut out the VR speak all he said was “We bought some cutting edge cell phone screens with expensive LED tech and extreme high pixel density”.

All that said “Cell phone screens” are a broad category.  The salient point is that a lot of money is spent researching new LED tech and LED miniaturization.  So in the future regardless of headset sales the costs of these screens will go down.

None of this excludes the possibility of true “VR specific” screen technologies though. For instance there are probably far more optimal pixel configurations.  We could also see concave screens instead of lens based systems as well.  Let’s not even get started on just shooting lasers into the eye.

Tufty
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Tufty

I’ve just made a VR headset for $250, Mobile phone £100, LCD Screen £100, headphone £20, Microsoft HD Cam £30, cardboard box free from shop, irheadtrack £free, i look stupid with a box on my head with a LCD screen ducktape to it, but does the job. :), i might kickstart this

SwobyJ
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SwobyJ

Lheiah Personally, I can get VR any time from now til ~2020, so… zero rush for me. Probably can get a good, later model, for $300 or less, when I feel like it. Enjoy, early adopters! *plays Mass Effect instead*

Caec
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Caec

I have no beef in this, as I’m largely of the opinion that VR will be a bust (for now; history is not kind to peripherals that aren’t all-encompassing), but I do find it amusing watching these high profile kickstarters being managed by sheer incompetence (I’ll refrain from talking about the other elephants in the room).
This gem in particular:

“As an explanation, not an excuse: during that time, many outlets were repeating the ‘Rift is $1500!’ line, and I was frustrated by how many people thought that was the price of the headset itself,” Luckey, on Reddit, said of the confusion. “My answer was ill-prepared, and mentally, I was contrasting $349 with $1,500, not our internal estimate that hovered close to $599 — that is why I said it was in roughly the same ballpark.”

He’s straight out admitting that even when he was saying $349, he knew it was going to be $599. All the other comments and excuses are just noise to that basic fact.

SwobyJ
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SwobyJ

Ok. I’ll patiently wait until its 1/2 that.

tobascodagama
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tobascodagama

Serrenity Armsbend Except the Wii only cost $250 at launch and didn’t require that you own a ~$1000 PC as well.

Veldan
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Veldan

Gonna throw these quotes out here, from the Reddit AMA:

“The unfortunate reality we discovered is that making a VR product
good enough to deliver presence and eliminate discomfort was not really
feasible at the lower prices of earlier dev kits that used mostly off
the shelf hardware.
We could have released a lower quality product and saved one or two
hundred bucks, but the all-in cost for the average consumer (including
PC) would not have budged significantly. To address a later post, mums
and dads would be paying in the $1300 to $1500 range regardless.
DK1 and DK2 cost a lot less – they used mostly off the shelf
components. They also had significantly fewer features (back of head
tracking, headphones, mic, removal facial interfaces, etc.) For Rift,
we’re using largely custom VR technology (eg. custom displays designed
for VR) to push the experience well beyond DK2 to the Crescent Bay
level.”
“We could have shipped something along the lines of DK2, but I really
don’t think it would have been good enough to kickstart the consumer VR
industry, especially in the long run. It would also cost more than
people think – Shipping a real consumer product is more complex than
janking out a dev kit, even something nearly identical to DK2 would have
ended up costing $400+, and the all-in investment including a PC would
still be around $1300, not enough to make the jump from enthusiast to
mainstream.(No exact numbers, not done this cost analysis exercise in a
long time”

Oleg Chebeneev
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Oleg Chebeneev

Palmer Luckey is doing AMA at reddit and answered about the price: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3zt7ul/i_am_palmer_luckey_founder_of_oculus_and_designer/

Serrenity
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Serrenity

wjowski dorn2 I would amend the statement to say not that “games are irrelevant” to “Games are only a piece of the total market.”  Movies in VR, VR training simulators, VR photographs.  Gaming is the ‘foot in the door’, the proof of concept if you will.  VR has all the potential of being a distruptive technology, and I think it will be disruptive.

Serrenity
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Serrenity

dorn2 Satyros From this article, it sounds like the screens used in the first are significantly more complicated than just cell phone screens.  

FWIW 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/01/oculus-founder-apologizes-for-messaging-poorly-on-599-rift-price/

Serrenity
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Serrenity

Armsbend tobascodagama We saw similar things with the Wii when it came out.  Lots of crap games that made a crap ton of money because MOTION.  I don’t think the early adopter devs are going to be in any sort of pain for this.

DPandaren
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DPandaren

shadowblender Investing into the VorpX Driver let’s you play a bunch of games in VR. Not to mention, there’s a lot of games on Steam right now that either support VR or being built for VR. Anarchy Arcade and NewRetroArcade are both really awesome things to try out with a headset.

DPandaren
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DPandaren

ZenDadaist I already have a DK2, I’m not interested in grabbing anything else right now until the dust settles between Valve, Overkill, Oculus, and whomever else wants to throw themselves into that ring.

DaRooster
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DaRooster

I wonder if people remember that the whole campaign of the Oculus kickstarter was built around an “affordable VR for the masses”.  So, it seems to me that they either over-designed the product, or were completely clueless about cost.

If you think $599 is a great value, good for you!  But those who dont are a much smaller number.  The problem is that all the game developers (and many other HW manufacturers) are waiting to see how the market accepts VR.  Oculus, with their affordable VR campain was the key.  If the Oculus was cheaper, the masses would be scrambling for it, which would justify further development.  At the higher price, I fear the demand will be more niche, which is an area most developers do not want to play in.  End result… VR dies yet again.

So, no, this is not about being able to shell out $600+ for a “new product”.  The ramifications are far bigger than that….

Kanbe
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Kanbe

At that price point there’s at least 100 things I’d rather do with my money than buy a piece of hardware that has very little offer yet and would likely force me to upgrade my pc to even use well

wjowski
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wjowski

blackcatcrosses Satyros dorn2 
 Except nee technology.nowadays is not getting cheaper

wjowski
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wjowski

dorn2 
 ‘Games are irrelevant’  No.  Software sells hardware.  Nobody’s buying a VR set just to have one.

thatchefdude
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thatchefdude

SallyBowls1 Lhumierre wjowski You can probably build one for $1,500 but yeah, around the $1,500-2000 range

ZenDadaist
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ZenDadaist

There’s quite a few snarky back-handed commetns implying that those of us who are not willing to shell out at this price point are all little kids saving pocket money, or lazy jobless scroungers, or underpaid apathetic people. Sounds like these folks have decided to deride others as a way of self-reassurance.

I’m none of the above, much like most of those being derided it seems. I’m a grown adult who pays all my own bills and used to manage family members’ finances. I’m not interested because the financial sink required to make good use of this product (even my decent gaming rig would need a new GPU), with it’s extremely lacklustre (to me) release line-up means value for money is somewhere in the region of ‘uwotm8? hahahahalolno’. I’m not interested in shelling out becasue it’s exceedingly poor value for money for me and there’s far more enjoyable ways for me to use that amount of money.

CloakingDonkey
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CloakingDonkey

Smiggins CloakingDonkey I’m sure Dust514 would have found an audience on PC. I’m sure Valkyrie would have found an audience on PC. At this point I really fail to feel sorry for them.

CloakingDonkey
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CloakingDonkey

Lhumierre thatchefdude this system will not run VR at 1080p 60fps. Not even if you upgrade the GPU.

CloakingDonkey
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CloakingDonkey

Geering none of the things you named are as optional and niche as VR headsets.

CloakingDonkey
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CloakingDonkey

GabeNewellFetish you mean people who aren’t rich and have to think about what they do with their money and whether or not 600$ for a gimmicky, niche peripheral is justified? Yeah how dare those assholes…

CloakingDonkey
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CloakingDonkey

Necromonger those specs are just fine if you want to play Rust in 720p 30fps, I’m sure :P

Yangers
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Yangers

This should be great…… in like 3 years.

shadowblender
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shadowblender

Cujo H shadowblender The fart was intentional. Well, virtual fart i guess.

Ekphrasis
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Ekphrasis

Yeah… NOPE.
Totally missed the mark on pricing here as far as I’m concerned.

And as an Australian the pricing is ludicrously over $1100 (yes, our exchange rate sucks these days, I know) – with a staggering $~130 shipping – and that’s possibly coming from an Australian based warehouse too! And a similarly sized, weighted and value insured package going cross country with our postal service is certainly not that expensive. (And if it’s not coming from an AU warehouse but overseas, then we’d be slugged with import duties as the purchase is over our $1000 duty-free threshold) 

Oculus is rushing to market without their controllers so they can beat Sony’s VR and the HTC Vive. While it’s not great that the controllers aren’t available now, they have, sorry – **HAD**, such a great opportunity to price well and capitalise on no zero competition in this space, eat up market share and be no-brainer front-runners.

All they’ve done now is make people stay their wallet and adopt a wait and see attitude for the competition to release their offerings.

I was going to wait and see regardless – as I think the novelty would be outweighed (literally perhaps) by having that big thing on my head/face for hours. 
Now my view is more of a ‘not at that price, sorry (not sorry).’

Veldan
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Veldan

Armsbend MetaDune Hey, RuneScape is in it… VR MMO weeeeee

Necromonger
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Necromonger

if you dont have a monster pc with at least a Fury X / 980Ti you wont enjoy playing games with VR.
the 970 / 390 minimal specs are way to low to enjoy games.

and that price…..seriously lol

I wait and buy myself a new 400 series or pascal gpu and let this all slip past me untill there is a great selection in games and the hardware is more mature.

This is tech you dont want to have the first badges from as overtime there will be made major improvements.

Cujo H
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Cujo H

shadowblender 
The question I have for you, sir…
Is did you mean to type ‘fart it’ rather than “afford it” or was it a mistake?I’m dying to know.

Lhumierre
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Lhumierre

paragonlostinspace so.. you upgrade all the time? you know.. i never met my dad.

hi dad, it’s me your son.

BryanCo
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BryanCo

BrotherMaynard Karl_Hungus  No we wouldn’t.  There wouldn’t be enough games that could be called Massively Multiplayer to justify the site’s existence.

shadowblender
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shadowblender

Shall we pretend for a second that money is not a problem and we can all fart it?

What selection of BVR games do we have now?

Is it even 0,1% of the games you have with normal gaming, as in non vr? Then why buy it for the price of a pc that has shitloads amounts of games?

paragonlostinspace
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paragonlostinspace

Lhumierre paragonlostinspace

Yeah I could never live in NYC, seems waay too costly for what you get. That’s just me. And yeah I’m old enough to be your father. :) And off to bed I go on that silly note. heh.

Lhumierre
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Lhumierre

paragonlostinspace I’m 31 and have a daughter of my own, she turns 5 in may. School’s a coming for her soon.

You probably do have more free income, I live NYC it’s so expensive to be here lol

paragonlostinspace
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paragonlostinspace

Lhumierre paragonlostinspace

You actually in my opinion did a good job on that build and that price. I’m probably much older than you and have a lot more free income to spend on my hobbies. Hell I recall when 32megs of ram used to run 500 to 600 bucks. 

  I have no “need” for a second Titan gpu this time. I just tend to build my systems with some redundancy for adding a second gpu if I need it within a couple years. If I found a game I was playing didn’t run well at max settings then I’d want to be able to toss in a second gpu. If that makes sense? Otherwise I tend to replace my whole system every 3 to 5 years regardless. Pass it on to one of my kids, really can’t call them kids since none of them are even teenagers anymore and are all off at college.

paragonlostinspace
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paragonlostinspace

alexjwillis    Exactly Alexjwillis. I couldn’t have said it better. I have no interest in the Oculus Rift due to not caring for motion sickness and enjoying wide screens myself. That said I can appreciate what is a first generation concept that cost a lot to develop and produce. I swear it’s like folks want a K-Mart blue light special light going for everything. Gotta pay certain minimum price for a certain quality level of tech. Pay little, get shit.

Lhumierre
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Lhumierre

paragonlostinspace My Monitor is a Asus VS228H-P/VS228, My Keyboard is a Roccat Isku & my Mouse is a Roccat Kone XTD. 

I guess with all that you can bring my build to about $800 but even then most of the time when people talk builds they normally just price out the tower.

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