SWG-inspired sandbox Divergence Online is now on Steam early access

If you’ve been waiting over the last week for Valve to approve Divergence Online for its inevitable Steam early access release, wait no longer: It’s finally live today. The game is currently $29.99 US, 25% off its usual $39.99 price. Wrote the team,

We’ve been online less than an hour and already making dozens of new friends. You guys are just the best! Thanks for your support and expect another 3-8 new patches tonight with fixes and improvements.

The game is known best to our community for its blatant Star Wars Galaxies influences, its hardcore sandbox vibe, and its community-inspired goal to implement a consensual PvP server. Stained Glass Llama’s Ethan Casner downplayed concerns over the game’s seeming use of SWG assets, telling us he welcomes rather than fears Disney’s attention because he’s “miles away from any legitimate infraction.” He also made headlines this week by ranting against so-called “gaming yelp reviewer bullshit.” Reviews on the early access launch are so far “mixed.”

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madoc
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Vada_G

Yep, it’s pretty sad.   Now they are removing entire threads, such as a four-pager titled “Hostile Devs”     New folks won’t be warned and can’t get a sense of the immature replies.

Hopefully they are smart enough to get in a negative review before they get their refund.

toomanywowclones
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A Message from the Creator:

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970733188
 [developer]

8 hours ago 

Why does everyone keep assuming they know “what every developer
wants”. Because if you think “what we want” is to sell a lot of copies,
you’re more or less proving with your own words that you, in fact,
don’t.
You don’t even understand what it is you’re saying is the
thing, because the statement you’re making is “If you want to attract
players like me,” but that’s just the thing. We don’t. To be blunt,
you’re fickle, touchy, and easily offended.
Why, oh why, would
anyone who makes anything, choose to attract more customers who spend
less money than fewer customers who spend more when the universal
constant is going to be the necessity of supporting everyone you sell
that product to.
No thanks. The people who buy this game don’t
buy it for $30, and neither do they expect us to either hold their hands
or wipe their ♥♥♥ for them. They come in at $30, walk around, then
march right off to our web store and spend another $250 because they
recognize this specific game for the truth of what it is; The closest
thing to true freedom and a real experience you’re going to find out
there and a project that is worth investing in.
They invest in us
and thus we invest in them. Completely. When I log into the game as
myself and say “Ok, who’s having issues today?” 50 people shout my name
at me, as they do our other two GMs. If someone was hostile to you in
this game, you have a very, very thin skin, and the symptom of that
character fault, like the others who have made the same complaint, is
the need, not desire, but need to tell everyone else in the world how
wronged and mistreated you were.
The game does not try to take
weak people and make them stronger. The game is meant to be a home for
people already strong in their own various ways who want to be among
their own kind. It does that completely.
For that goal, I am
prepared to suffer the indignities of negative reviews and expectations
of the lowest common denominator for the sake of having the project
better today than it was yesterday.
Not everyone is like you. 
Source: http://steamcommunity.com/app/422940/discussions/0/451850468369714744/#c451850468370868078

Vada_G
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Vada_G

It feels like they’re being forced to make this game given the comments by this developer (Shakkles) and Ethan himself. Why would I give a company that is this hostile towards perspective consumers any funding? If you treat your customers this way, I could inspect as an investor that my treatment would be a sugar coated version of the same. 

I understand being upset when you produce a product and you’ve had people stepping on your dream the whole way and have had no help getting over other obstacles, but at some point ‘you’ have to make sure that ‘you’ aren’t becoming a problem when the jaded thoughts set in. It’s not that it’s not offered that sits poorly with me, it’s the way the response was given. 

Just say “Not really our niche, we are aiming at open world pvp, consensual pvp may or may not be in the future depending on the success of the project.” BAM, no cause for foul and even adds an inducement for others to pull together support. As much as I want to tell customers to “f off” sometimes, there are much better ways to do it. Instead of flat out saying you don’t want a consumer’s money?!?

Please guys, get a marketer, a PR person, anything. Get someone to handle your community and give yourselves a chance at success. You only have so many feet to shoot.

Disclosure: I am a customer having supported this during the fund raising phase. I am also an investor who declined this project due to my personal discomfort with legal risks involved.

Liandreth
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Liandreth

For anyone wondering about the consensual pvp server. A few of us were asking about it and here’s what the dev said last night, in regards to it – 
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970733188  [developer] 9 hours ago Originally posted by http://steamcommunity.com/app/422940/discussions/0/451850468365432286/#c451850468367195529:Yep, I’ve chimed in on the topic in another thread. Currently having no options but non-consentual open world pvp is the only thing keeping me from diving in.
Shakkles, why would those who wanted consensual PvP fund the game if there was no concrete plan they they would get a game they enjoyed? If it never happened, they’re out the cost.
Those who want consensual PVP should not fund this game.
Can I say that any clearer?
Please do not buy this game if you want consensual PVP.
We don’t want your money, your complaints, your headache and ultimately your refund.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/422940/discussions/0/451850468365432286/#p2

Ceois
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Ceois

Liandreth Ceois Thanks! I will remove the game from my watchlist. He seems indeed rather cocky. Well good luck to him and the rest of 10 followers that he has.

Liandreth
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Liandreth

Ceois Me too, but according to the dev on steam – 
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970733188  [developer] 9 hours ago Originally posted by http://steamcommunity.com/app/422940/discussions/0/451850468365432286/#c451850468367195529:Yep, I’ve chimed in on the topic in another thread. Currently having no options but non-consentual open world pvp is the only thing keeping me from diving in.
Shakkles, why would those who wanted consensual PvP fund the game if there was no concrete plan they they would get a game they enjoyed? If it never happened, they’re out the cost.Those who want consensual PVP should not fund this game.
Can I say that any clearer?
Please do not buy this game if you want consensual PVP.
We don’t want your money, your complaints, your headache and ultimately your refund.
Gonna be taking this off my watch list.

Skyewauker
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Valhalla Awaits Disney doesn’t own the assets.  They are non Star Wars assets. Sure there are things like “Tera Kasi” and some of the mineral names, but thats it for Star Wars.  
Disney isn’t a concern.  DBG is though.  I purchased the game on steam, downloaded and hopped in.  They didn’t just rip off art assets.  They ripped off the sound assets too.  Opening menus?  Yep, stolen from SWG.  The “error” sounds when you hit a key too much, yep SWG.  Its pathetic.  I refunded with the quickness and won’t look at this game again.

amkosh
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amkosh

I liked SWG.  But I don’t have a lot of want to play it again now.  It would be pretty annoying in many many ways.

Robb760
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Robb760

You know what would be really funny is if this game was just a fancy bitcoin miner lol.

Apollymi
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Apollymi

Sorenthaz TheDonDude The wording on that “consensual” server is misleading.  The way I read it was that you could craft/heal/entertain unmolested but anybody with a combat profession was fair game.  I’m gonna wait and see with this one.

Blackomen
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Blackomen

Yeah… While I really do love the game’s concept, the fact that anyone buying it will effectively just be paying for the developer’s attorney fees when Disney sues them for stolen assets, and easily wins. Then you’ll likely have to buy the game all over again because Disney now owns the game itself and has the current dev working in chains to pay off his multi-million dollar court fees.

Not a good idea to get this… at least till it has original assets.

reagan_youth
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reagan_youth

Reading comments from the dev has made me hesitant to buy the game. Seems like if anyone has the slightest complaint he will trash talk them. I guess I will hold off for now.

Cevo
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Cevo

I havent downloaded yet and I’ve been anxious to but what seems to be lost on people is early access has a whole new meaning these days. It’s a different way of finding the game. Granted, indiegogo and kick starter campaigns were not overly successful it’s way to find the game going forward.
He just seems to be overly passionate in making the game which I don’t understand why he’s so faulted in doing so. Seems to follow the mentality of “I don’t like it so no one should”. I’ll pass my judgment when I do play. I play Life is feudal and that’s in”release” and I find it far from that, from the looks, seems in pretty good alpha state…

Gadgets4G
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Gadgets4G

Durenas I think its because dev’s are asking for full price. I know that I don’t mind the alpha state of a game I pay 15$ for but 40$?

jonny_sage
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melissaheather jonny_sage Nope, waterboys are not players. They are customer service. Try again.

melissaheather
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melissaheather

jonny_sage your metaphor might ring true if they tackled the waterboy on the sidelines for no reason other than the lolz

Vexia
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Vexia

I think it’s the price point that really gets me on so many early access games. Far be it from me to tell other people how to spend their hard-earned cash, but I can think of plenty more worthwhile ways to spend $30 or $40. Also, some of these games are more full-featured than others…

Silverlock
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Silverlock

Interesting thing to me is now if someone gives it a bad review then people might think they are one of the so called gaming yelp reviewers he was complaining about thus putting the bad review under some doubt. The timing of his triad seems to have been well placed to put doubt on any bad reviews. Not saying it was intentional just worth noting.

jonny_sage
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ProfessionalNoob Budukahn Or its like football. The goal is run into each other and take the ball away. And no one forces you to play. But for some reason you make a virtual game out of it and all of a sudden everyone who plays is a child/sadist/insertNameHere

tobascodagama
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ElMutharino Tandor Shadewalker Durenas breetoplay Samizdat

I’d say “since Minecraft” rather than “since Kickstarter”. There’s definitely some interplay between the two, but Minecraft is the game that really started the idea of selling access to pre-launch versions of a game. (As opposed to, e.g., Dwarf Fortress, which ships a release-grade game that nonetheless is under perpetual development.)

Zycor
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Zycor

ElMutharino

Way worse than then Sota and REPOP. 

http://www.twitch.tv/heroeguides/v/34092108

agemyth
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agemyth

ElMutharino It is earlier access than those games that have been in early access for a long time. :P

ElMutharino
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ElMutharino

Anyone who has played it and isn’t super angry who wants to comment about it? I get it’s pre-alpha but compared to Repop or SotA for example?

ElMutharino
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ElMutharino

Tandor Shadewalker Durenas breetoplay Samizdat Since Kickstarter, Early Acess practically has meant ‘paid alpha’. Some products are more playable and finished than others, but that’s how it has been used for at least 4-5 years

alphasabre
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alphasabre

breetoplay Armsbend To my knowledge there will be no cash shop. Its buy to play with an optional subscription last I was told.

ProfessionalNoob
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ProfessionalNoob

Zycor Serrenity Mebbe you have ill-fitting undergarments.

Tandor Shadewalker
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Tandor Shadewalker

Durenas Tandor Shadewalker breetoplay Samizdat I could be wrong, but my recollection is that “early access” is what you used to get if you pre-ordered an online game. Once it was released you got early access to the servers a few days before those who hadn’t pre-ordered it. That’s how I recollect the term being used, then suddenly developers decided to sell early access rights to games before they were even half-finished.

Durenas
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Durenas

Tandor Shadewalker breetoplay Samizdat I don’t know if there was ever a ‘time’ when early access meant something different. The progress of development is unique to every game being offered.

Tandor Shadewalker
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Tandor Shadewalker

breetoplay Samizdat Tandor Shadewalker Thanks for the clarification. Time was when it meant something different, but I guess these days “early access” just means “we want your money” and not much else.

Durenas
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Durenas

People still seem to misunderstand the nature of ‘early access’. Unfortunate.

Zycor
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Zycor

Serrenity Zycor

Sorry, I’m just super angry.

Serrenity
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Serrenity

Zycor So, let’s calm down.  There’s nothing in there that warrants this response.  Let’s take a deep breath, remember its a game and if you don’t want to spend money on it, you don’t have to.

Zycor
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Zycor

Armsbend

Still waiting on the refund.

Armsbend
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Armsbend

Zycor on the stream you said you didnt get one.  true story?

breetoplay
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breetoplay

Armsbend I’m not actually sure there’s a cash shop yet. They are still at the still-wiping-servers testing stage, at least if posts on Facebook are any judge.

ProfessionalNoob
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ProfessionalNoob

Budukahn Its easy. Open world pvp is no different than throwing the kids in the back hard with nerf bats. They entertain themselves. Now charge the kids for new shiny nerf bats and its win win.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

Samizdat Tandor Shadewalker Yeah, in this case, it’s still reaaaaaaalllllyyyy in development. It looks like what I would consider a playable pre-alpha.

Zycor
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Zycor

Issued a refund, the game runs like shit, and is shit. WARNING DO NOT BUY THIS GAME IT’S A SCAM. HE’S USING THE SWG NAME TO STEAL YOUR MONEY.

Rozyn
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Rozyn

It’ll be interesting to see the reviews a couple weeks from now when it isn’t people who have already followed the game’s development and already have a love/hate relationship and .9 hour gameplay time reviews. Personally, this game would have to fully launch and be freaking amazing for me to invest though. I don’t know if I have any friends who’d be interested in it but I’d warn them to practice patience.

tobascodagama
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tobascodagama

“http://massivelyop.com/2015/09/22/divergence-onlines-ethan-casner-on-swg-2-0-open-pvp-and-edgelords/”

Yeah, that’s what the guy behind the $1M Trek fan film Kickstarter claimed, but he still got slapped by Paramount for it: http://www.metafilter.com/155929/Star-Trek-IP-owners-sue-Star-Trek-fan-production

Armsbend
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Armsbend

Whats the price story on this one?  B2P with the usual cash shop?

Ceois
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Ceois

I’m waiting for the consensual server before I even think about buying.

Samizdat
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Samizdat

Tandor Shadewalker Early access means the product is still in development.

Budukahn
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Budukahn

Like the others, let me know when they open this consensual PVP server.  Personally, I don’t get what it is with this face-palm worthy obsession with PVP in games that are “spiritual successors” to SWG.  Repop, H1Z1, now this… it’s like these developers were playing a complete different game to the one I was.  Heck I barely ever saw flagged people unless I went looking for them in the obvious conflict zones in SWG.

Zycor
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Zycor

Been following this game for a while, admin seems like a prick from what I’ve read on here. Bought it on steam, doing a two hour or refund challenge. Basically I’ll play /stream the game for 2hrs or less, if it sucks I refund it.

http://www.twitch.tv/heroeguides

Tandor Shadewalker
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Tandor Shadewalker

Thanks Bree. Do you mean “early access” as in a finished product launching early, or is it “pre-alpha”, “alpha” or “beta”?

breetoplay
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breetoplay

DeviateFish JayPower Yep thanks guys! :D

breetoplay
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breetoplay

Sorenthaz Thanks – was meant to be a % not a $. <3 Fixed!

Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

TheDonDude They already said there will be a consensual server.  Whether it’s available right now or not is a different story.

Liandreth
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Liandreth

I’ll follow it on Steam and see where it goes.

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