Trove makes major business model adjustments

RIFT isn’t the only game under Trion Worlds’ umbrella that’s reevaluating and adjusting its business model to become more profitable. Yesterday, the Trove team announced that it, too, would be making some changes so that the game will pull in more money and give away less of its content for free.

“At the end of the day [the store] is a big piece of the engine that keeps Trove going,” the team said. “We’ve been live long enough and collected enough data that we can start making some changes. The core word which I expect us to be held to here is value. No matter what you are spending on the game — time or money, we need to give you value and respect that investment. That never changes.”

The biggest change is that classes won’t be purchasable with cubits any longer. Trion said that this goes hand-in-hand with a decision to put more work into upcoming classes. Other adjustments include awarding players fewer cubits, raising the cubit price in the store for items, and beefing up its patron program.

“Going forward we’re going to rely on [the patron program] more,” the devs posted. “Add more value to it and probably even require it to access some systems or features.”

These changes will go into effect at an unspecified point in the future.

Source: Trove. Thanks to Fliksan, Enikuo, and Ironweakness for the tip!
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Midgetsnowman
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blackcat7k thats the thing. If free mmos can only survive by doing this, then perhapos the [roblem is that free MMOs shoukldnt exist at all.

Midgetsnowman
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suddenly glad I never got invested in trove.

ammalis
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Sorenthaz Bingin Last week it was 5500 (with weekend bonus). You could get some for doing some kind of quest line (once per account).

SwobyJ
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Sorenthaz SwobyJ Dystopiq Hated that. I get the argument and its important for many aspects of the game, but an encouragement to sub in itself is not a bad thing. I say this as a regular F2Per.

Sorenthaz
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SwobyJ Sorenthaz Dystopiq “But we don’t want to make people feel they’re being forced to subscribe!”

Sorenthaz
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madhunde Sorenthaz Dystopiq True.  That’s incredibly stupid and will do nothing but hurt the game considering the audience it’s aimed at, which is largely a younger audience and the Minecraft crowd.

SwobyJ
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SwobyJ

Given the specific changes here, I’ve uninstalled Trove now too. Only Defiance (to maybe play main story sometime?) and Atlas Reactor are left.

SwobyJ
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SwobyJ

Sorenthaz Dystopiq Just give me a fucking generous stipend with a subscription to RIFT dammit.

SwobyJ
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SwobyJ

Xijit I somewhat expect Defiance to shut down by 2018. I’m giving myself probably this year, maybe next year to do all the core story of it (if I actually do play).

SwobyJ
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SwobyJ

Tridus Karl_Hungus hardy83 ManastuUtakata Anything to keep the money coming for my uncle (retired Ontario teacher).

Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

Bingin Sorenthaz Oh.  Well last I remember you could only get 4500 Cubits per week, and most classes required close to 2 weeks of cubits as a result.

Bingin
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Bingin

As someone who has been getting into the game pretty hardcore I have issues with how they are handling this class change. Classes are certainly cheaper than they should probably be right now (I mentioned below that I haven’t even been playing 2 months and I have almost all the classes unlocked) but switching it so you can only spend real money or class coins is a pretty big gate they are asking new players to climb over. Class coins are not something you are going to think of buying from another player until very late game, they’re currently around 100k flux on the market place which is a lot for a new player, especially when flux is crucial for upgrading your character. It’s going to put people in a position where they have to commit to a class since you are giving up potential power gains to unlock a new class you might not even like….

Which brings me to my other point, Trove currently has some of the worst class balance I’ve seen in an online game. Some classes do 3-4x less damage than others and are basically not worth playing (especially considering most of the top damaging classes also happen to be the ones that bring the best utility). If they are going make classes way more time consuming to unlock they really need to do a huge re-balance on this game because there is no way they are going to keep new players if they choose a weak class and realize too late they’ve made a huge mistake and won’t reasonably be able to unlock another class for 50-100 hours and at the cost of progression.

Bingin
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Bingin

Sorenthaz Weeks of daily play for a class? Dunno when the last time you played was but right now you can easily buy a class in less than a week as long as you are doing the daily cubit stuff. I’ve been playing 50 days now according to my consecutive daily login thing and I’ve bought every single class except for 2 (both of which are 5k cubit classes). It’s kinda absurd how fast you can unlock the classes so I can understand why they want to change it.

That’s not to say I disagree with you or anything, these changes bother me overall for a variety of reasons but honestly they have been too lenient with how they giveaway classes.

alyvian
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alyvian

well there goes any reason i had to log in to trove even on the once a month basis i put it down too.

Valhalla Awaits
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Dystopiq I wish, but in this case it’s just one stupid/greedy company dowsing itself in gasoline and lighting a match. A fascinating sight, but we’ll all forget about when it’s ashes are buried.

Disciple
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Disciple

Yaa, I think its time for me to press the UnInstall button on RiFT and Trove.

Xijit
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Xijit

I am fairly certain that Trion only kept the game open to suck funding in from SyFy.
Since the show shut down I have not seen a single bit of marketing for the game.

Jack Pipsam
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Xijit Zariarn hardy83 It’s the same with us Xbox folks, since my Xbox One I have had little use to go back to my 360 (where Defiance only sits).
What I don’t understand is, that now backwards compatibility is a thing for XB1, that Trion hasn’t seem to give any indication that they’re going to make use of it.
According to Microsoft, the publisher doesn’t have to do anything expect provide legal permission and a couple art assists as MS does all the emulation stuff themselves.
It’s actively like Trion doesn’t want to expand the game.

Sythalin
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Sythalin

“No tricks. No traps.”
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Where are all the White Knights? I’m dying to see them spin this one. Prime definition of “bait and switch”.

schlag sweetleaf
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schlag sweetleaf
Zariarn
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Xijit Zariarn hardy83 War Thunder and DC Universe are the only two that I can think of that have cross-platform servers.  It’s a shame that others don’t.  I understand the reasoning due to the huge advantage most PC players have over the console counterpart.
WoT, ESO, and Planetside 2 are games that I would love to see put on console.  I have console loyalist friends and I’m pc loyalist.

Xijit
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Zariarn Xijit hardy83 
I actually prefer playing it on PS3 to PC (don’t know why, it just feels more natural) and Trion themselves stated that the PS3 version has the most users … but that was almost a year ago and to be completely honest I haven’t so much as turned on my PS3 since I got a PS4 (and I am probably not alone in that).

… cross platform servers would keep a lot of online only games from dying, but Sony and MS will never open up their servers.

Zariarn
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Xijit Zariarn hardy83 I personally don’t know about the console version but I play the PC regularly and the population is high and low.  Depending on the time of day, I’ve seen huge arkfalls with tons of players.  However, sometimes there’s not enough to finished a major arkfall.
I’d like for them to link the console with pc but I’m sure PC pvp would have the greater advantage.

Xijit
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Madda 
You know it is bad when Madda dropps out of Illeism.

Xijit
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Zariarn hardy83 
From what they were saying, the console version was more active than the PC version and who knows how long that will last when they have said it won’t be getting a PS4 / Xbone port …

Zariarn
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hardy83 Lots of people still play Defiance.

Xijit
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A Dad Supreme Xijit hardy83 
how the fuck did Trion get a Bluehole game and not En Mass?

Zariarn
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Dystopiq No, TRION is just a lot more generous than other MMO companies and it’s starting to come back and bite them.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

This is a good move indeed.  I’ve always felt this game(among TRION’s other games) do give away a lot more than all the other F2P MMOs.  I’ve always believed they’re the most generous company, but Trove would be unsustainable in it’s current form.

Xijit
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Sorenthaz hardy83 
“(we pray) This will (stop) us from (definitely) going belly-up.”

A Dad Supreme
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Xijit A Dad Supreme hardy83 Bluehole I think.

Xijit
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A Dad Supreme hardy83 
 Is Delvian XL Games too?

Xijit
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Dystopiq 
ehh, Trion is just hard up for money after they broke all their tent pole projects with poor management:

Archeage has turned into a lawn dart.

Definace has tanked now that the show is canceled.

I doubt that Delvian has been a break out success.

Rift seems like the only reason it hasn’t been outright canceled is because it is Trion’s flagship IP.

Trove is pretty decent but it is really just a conventional multiplayer game with a cash shop.

Their attempt to “Glyph” into being an online retailer failed.

… and then I think most people have already forgotten that Atlas Reactor even exists.

ti’s the season for layoffs, unfortunately, and a everything coming out of Trion this week stinks of desperate managers trying to cover their asses at the last minute after half assing (just about) everything for the last year.

blackcat7k
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John Wise blackcat7k 
Yeah, I think they would settle for that because they’re fast learning that they can’t get blood from a stone. Finding a price point that actually meets the real costs of the day to day operations of an MMO while still making a profit should be the goal instead of finding ridiculous ways to make the gameplay horrible so that people buy in.

blackcat7k
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HDHarris Dantos blackcat7k 
Yep subs don’t prevent a thing, but they sure do lessen the frequency.  There’s no silver bullet to all all those problems you bring up, but the switch to cash shops increased the frequency of those problems dramatically. 

See P2P isn’t the answer, but it’s a better answer than giving away the majority of your gameplay away and trying to make content based on gouging +10% of your user base. I’m not looking for perfection. I’m looking for some developers that actually want to make gameplay and content worth paying for. 

This constant nonsense of level up to max. Grind multi colored gear and then rinse and repeat is not what MMOs were about. They were trying other things when they started that seriously differentiated one from the other. Now that spirit has been plowed under, and we get to see the same design repeated ad naseum with little variance. 

Regardless of the design of the MMO, cash shop monetization doesn’t live in the reality of the constant month to month costs of an MMO. The anemic updates, shenanigans, and just poor quality of these MMOs should be proof enough of this.

HDHarris
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Dantos blackcat7k The list of problems subs fix according to some commenters: Trolls, tourists, scrubs, gold-sellers, cheaters/exploiters, and cash shops. The number of these prevented by subs: 0.

John Wise
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blackcat7k I think you blame the wrong people here. F2P just gives you this chance to ask money for anything and milk a player as much as you want.

Dantos
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blackcat7k There were plenty of tourists before F2P became a big thing, Conan, Rift, Warhammer, Secret World, Champions Online, Star Trek Online, EQ2, and more, all Sub before they either died or went F2P.

Dantos
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StranaFA Dantos They dont have me, I got pretty much everything I wanted for free and exhausted what content there was that I was interested in.

hardy83
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A Dad Supreme hardy83 In terms of the shop content and everything around it, yes they do control that. Actual in-game content (like major patches, zones etc) no, but I was talking about things like price changes etc etc, which Trion can change. That’s all Trion over here.

StranaFA
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Dantos They gave away stuff to get you in the door.  Now that they have you, they’ll hang you from your feet and shake you til all the money falls out of your pockets.

Tridus
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Karl_Hungus Tridus hardy83 ManastuUtakata Yeah, for sure. That pension plan is run by a professional manager whose job is to make money to pay for the pensions. That person has done pretty well at said job.

Karl_Hungus
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Tridus hardy83 ManastuUtakata 
At least they seem to be trying to take care of their teachers. In America, we pay our teachers the same as a McDonalds general manager and give them such horrible benefits that our military veterans are saying, “Damn!” and that’s saying something because we treat our vets like shit while harping about “support the troops” right in their faces as they struggle to get help for injuries sustained in the line of duty. Being a teacher in America is one of the most thankless jobs since being a healer in an MMO.

Karl_Hungus
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Dystopiq 
I like how as soon as one game fails, people go straight to the business model, bypassing the game itself and its developers as contributing factors. People want either F2P or subscription models to die off completely so one side can tell the other, “I told ya so!” Well, it’s just not that simple. WoW’s sub numbers dropping has more to do with Blizz and the state of the game than the subscription model. Trion’s desperate attempt to increase its revenue is a situation they created for themselves by devolving into a terrible company making terrible decisions for years. Any business model can work in any game, provided that the game itself is actually good and properly managed by a developer with their head screwed on straight.

Tridus
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Inertpenguin madhunde For sure. Especially since they put out Devilian since then. If they put money into that and it did badly, that could result in a cash crunch very easily.

RicharddeLeonIII
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There will always be mmo tourists. They will just play whatever free trial is available or just sub a month then quit.

Tridus
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Tridus

Jack Pipsam Damonvile That’s exactly right. F2P is based entirely on the idea that the majority of players will never pay anything, a minority will pay some, and a small minority will pay a lot. That’s how the model works.

The majority are there in the hope that maybe they buy something at some point, but mostly to fill out the field with people for the paying minority to play with/play against/beat up on (in games with P2W). 

Remove that by going to a true paid game, and you might be okay. Smaller, for sure, but maybe enough stick around for a nominal price to make it worthwhile. Keep in mind that when 3x more people are paying, you don’t need to charge as much for stuff to make the same money.

Remove it by still calling it F2P and just limiting the free players so much that the can’t do anything, and most of them will simply go to one of the dozens of other games offering the same thing. Now your minority has nobody to play with or lord their purchased power over, and the whole thing falls apart.

Tridus
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Damonvile Jack Pipsam That’s why it’s so much easier to just charge for stuff up front. XCOM 2 isn’t going to have this problem.

When you advertise “it’s free!” and then try to make it not free, people will react.

A Dad Supreme
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hardy83 They don’t own ArcheAge or Devilian, so any changes made will have to be cleared by XL Games first.
Now the question is, will XL be happy with making their models more restrictive/ even more P2W than they are now (AAge), or will they tell Trion “No, don’t change anything because we want to be fair to our customers”.
Oh wait… haha. Never mind.

Tridus
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hardy83 ManastuUtakata For a while, the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan owned a stake in the Toronto Maple Leafs, which are an NHL team.

They invest in anything they think can make money, and they’re so big they carry a lot of muscle in the market.

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