EVE player uses $28,000 of skill injectors to create max character

We recently brought you the story of EVE Online player Stromgren who had bought almost $7,000 worth of skill injectors to become the highest-skilled character in the game overnight. A bizarre twist on that story has since emerged when another player named IronBank created a brand-new character and used around $28,000 worth of injectors to max out every possible skill he could acquire to level 5. A total of around 2,846 injectors were used to boost the new character up to 473,344,000 skill points that would normally take over 20 years of skill training time to acquire. Those injectors are currently worth over 1.7 trillion ISK or about 1,423 PLEX, which would currently cost between $21,161 and $28,446 to buy with cash.

The response from the EVE Online community has been understandably mixed. While some point out that having a max-skill character doesn’t provide any real benefit over a well-planned 30-50 million skill point character, others players feel that being able to create a three-day-old max character cheapens their own time investment in EVE. Players have also highlighted the fact that the player behind IronBank used the immense ISK profits from running a lucrative gambling website to fund the skill injectors, and he did it all live on stream to drum up further interest in his online gambling services.

Stromgren now sits at number 2 in the skill point rankings and has injected another 60 million skill points since our previous story, bringing his character up to 400 million skill points.

Source: EVE Forum, EVE Subreddit, (thanks to Cista Cista for the tip!)
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JarmoSits
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JarmoSits

Denice J Cook Im not currently playing but will return when i get more time… and ur flame is inproper.. Eve playerbase is literally the same as it has been for years.. i started playing in Apocrypha.. im not even sure wich year that was… 2007 or 2008 … ccp dealt with multiboxing and got riddof shit tons of bots.. despite that people online has relatively remained close to same… wich means the playerbase is slowly growing…   the current popularity of sci-fi genre is rising plays in the hands of CCP… i’m confident that Eve will outlive the World of Warcraft franchise… most booring and most epic game of all time (at the same time) …  : )

Puiucs
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Puiucs

LordSolarMacharius i highly doubt that this can be considered pay to win. it’s not like you can go past beyond lvl 5 in skills. and you only use just a few of them when you PVP.
you can have the best ships and max skills, you are still a nobody in eve when you play solo.

Puiucs
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Puiucs

KaiserPhoenix Denice J Cook it’s not true. he’s just a troll. he most likely lost a ship or something in the game and now he just likes to post stupid hate comments. the game is also getting quite a bit of new players lately. everybody knows that the game is growing again.

Puiucs
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Puiucs

Denice J Cook

DugFromTheEarth
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DugFromTheEarth

Zennie DugFromTheEarth No, eve has had plenty of expansions and such.

But when companies see that they can make as much money, if not more, for less work/cost, its only a matter of time before we see this trend catch on and become the norm.

Zennie
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Zennie

kgptzac CistaCista last time I heard about them there was about 10 of them… I think.

Zennie
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Zennie

karmark678 CarlosRojas6 Armsman Someone with the experience can win over you even if he’s a week old newbie.

Zennie
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Zennie

Serrenity Last time I played (which is now) our corp was packed with newbies who have fun killing stuff, including veterans. If you bring WoW mentality of “I need purplez and level 100 before I can have fun”, you will realise that this game is worse than WoW. If you instead try having fun with friends or find a corp that would plug you to the world of lowsec/nullsec/wormholes and fleets, you will quite probably have much more fun. EVE is a sandbox. The choice is always yours.

Zennie
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Zennie

DugFromTheEarth You mean EVE should have some expansion with raiding bosses and quests?

Zennie
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Zennie

Sythalin It’s not like EVE players are forcing journalists to add that $$$ sparkle into their posts. Real-life money to ISK conversion is very easy because of PLEX, so unlike in other games , a real life price of a module or a ship can be easily derived from the ingame currency.

This system may or may not be P2W. Character Bazaar is already up and running for several years, so if you really wanted to buy that titan pilot because you though you would be pwnz0ring n00bs in pvp, you could’ve done it already (and became just another killmail).

Zennie
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Zennie

Denice J Cook GMs tried to get a player to commit suicide. What?

I mean, I understand that you utterly hate EVE and want to badmouth it as much as possible, maybe someone exploded your spacepixels and it’s very important for you. I have a protip: GMs also secretly murder  EVE players and harvest their organs.

KaiserPhoenix
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KaiserPhoenix

Denice J Cook that really happened? Wow, Eve truly has some of the worst filth as his playerbase.

pocketdimension
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pocketdimension

i don’t know  how literally blowing over 100 years of plex on a single character cheapens anything.

CistaCista
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CistaCista

kgptzac CistaCista I should maybe be offended, but I have no idea what you just said :)

kgptzac
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kgptzac

Nyphur “Someone buying thousands of skill injectors or PLEX may not be a whale in a traditional sense, but they are creating a market demand for those items that can only be filled using cash.”
I think you are expanding the definition of the term for no good reason.  A whale is about a person directly exchange RL cash to in-game gains, and it’s clear IronBank isn’t doing that.  With a lot of terms (see MMO, beta, F2P, P2W) are what they are now, I think it’s for the readers’ interest that we don’t create more confusions.

kgptzac
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kgptzac

Armsbend The better question is, does it actually bring you even more joy to write about you being happy if seeing CCP goes under in every Eve article?  Why do you have that urge to propagate your ideology is a worthwhile thing to do both for you and the people who read your comments?

kgptzac
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kgptzac

CistaCista “Many” players?  There are “many” people who have been paying CCP since 2003 just so they may have a highest SP character in a game that they may or may not still play?  Way to overblow that dismay or yours, lol.

kgptzac
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kgptzac

PurpleCopper I think this is nonsense.  Eve “hardcore veterans” are stereotypical players who pride themselves happily collecting tears from new players who bought high SP characters when they best them in ganks… so why the hell would they be pissed?  To them, supposedly, the change means more targets for them to boast around.

BringDaAmblamps
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BringDaAmblamps

Why does this seem so troll to me?

dorn2
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dorn2

MChrome dorn2 rawhunger 
Horse shit.  Patience is not what was needed.  You can spend 4 months training in EvE before you can do anything decent.  The only thing you needed for that was to derive satisfaction from the idea of leveling for no work. It was a psychological trick to get people to fork over the cash. 

Some people didn’t fall for the trick but they still played because EvE was the only game in town.  They didn’t need patience either.  Just the realization that they had no other choice.

Some people like to feel good about themselves though.  So they pat themselves on the back for having “patience and planning”.  Your ego led you to this nonsense and now you’re unhappy that someone didn’t need these things you don’t even have.  Boo Hoo.

Nyphur
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Sythalin I think I actually may have started the trend of comparing everything to dollars years ago back on massively-that-was, I recall it being after someone released a chart showing the real cash value of ships using PLEX conversion. I started using it in articles on big kills and scams to make the values more relatable to non-players and the other sites always latched onto the headlines that used dollar conversions. We got more views from non-EVE players that way, so we kept using them. If I had said 1.7 trillion ISK instead of $28,000 in this article, only the EVE players would have cared and someone would have done the PLEX conversion anyway.

Nyphur
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Nyphur

SallyBowls1 This isn’t the whole story, though. 15,345 PLEX may have been sold on the market, but how much higher is that than the baseline daily trades? That number also includes people buying and reselling them on the day in anticipation of demand or to create the illusion of higher demand, and it includes people who bought up in anticipation of the patch and then aggressively sold them after the patch, which may be a lot of people as prices actually dipped.
The truth is that it’s impossible to glean actual Skill Extractor profits from data available on the EVE market, and since you can use PLEX and AUR already in the game to buy them, even CCP will have a hard time quantifying the impact. The best estimate would be produced by looking at the number of skill extractors created (a stat only CCP has access to), using average injector/aur/plex prices (again, which only CCP has), and just considering the elimination of PLEX liability to be a profit so we don’t even have to consider that part of the market.

SallyBowls1
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A PLEX lists for $20 and nosygamer “15,345 PLEX traded hands last Tuesday, the first day of the new skill point trading feature.”  This does not include PLEXes that people bought and used themselves e.g. for Aurum / injectors. That is over $300k of PLEXes in one day. In the short term, this seems to be working for CCP.

Denice J Cook
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Denice J Cook

I imagine that, as subs keep dropping, CCP has to figure out how to farm the remaining player base for more money any way they can to keep the ship afloat….

LordSolarMacharius
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LordSolarMacharius

Kaiser Sosey Even Derek Smart isn’t this arrogant. At least he will back down when he knows for certain he’s wrong (most of the time).

LordSolarMacharius
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LordSolarMacharius

I’m so glad I quit this game. This is just more reason to stay away. Bad enough just dealing with the sociopaths and developer incompetence. Now that they’ve made it more pay-to-win than most Asian FTP MMOs and still charge a subscription fee, I’m not giving them another cent.

exeeter
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exeeter

Obviously he can afford the fits, I was just being clear and specific.
Circumventing a time gate or grind is not pay 2 win no matter how shitty they implement the feature.
The player in this article fitted to a T on a frigate would be no more effective than a player who has only invested in specializing in piloting frigates and has all the necessary skills to pilot any and fit them accordingly.
There is literally ZERO things in eve that are exclusively obtained via real cash that provide any type of statistical advantage above what can be obtain via in game methods. The fact that paying for shortcuts might not sit well with you and rightfully so it can be shitty, but that doesn’t change the definition of what p2w actually means.
Yes this feature as well as the character bazaar cheapens the acheivments for those that have devoted in game time to training skills but ultimately, p2w has a single definition of it entails, and eve contains none of that.

Adri Cortesia
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Adri Cortesia

First thing: I never played EVE. But there are people like these in every MMO. People who wants to show off with things. But for me (beside the money I don’t own) it wouldn’t be a good goal. I love to evolve my character over time (time means more than 2 days!) just to be (yeah old-school) proud of it.

DrAtrz
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DrAtrz

Lateris That would be the point now wouldn’t it? That new player is not going to be helped unless he dropped a few hundred in real money to boost himself up -OR- he plays the game for several months like he would have anyway grinding the old fashion way to slowly start being able to afford the injectors at their current price. It is quite literally play-to-[try-and-]win for new players, but for us vets we just need to dump our isk to speed train our perfect alts.

This whole thing has never truly been for the new players, it’s always been to get more money out of the player base to help fund other projects. Think about this, were people asking for a way to trade skillpoints before they announced these? Or were they asking for a way to reallocate them?

Kanbe
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Kanbe

And of course it would be someone that runs one of those gambling websites.

Matso
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Matso

Lateris Why , all those trillions some are sitting on are being injected back into the market. plus amongst players it as always been a issue that new players need waaay to much time to get up to a similar level as long time players which did make new players often stop playing even after months of investing in the game.

Now they have a future option knowing that they can shorten it and a new motivation to make extra ISK to do so.

Matso
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Matso

Lateris Styopa well then you might like to hear that they revamped the probing system a while ago.

Matso
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Matso

Lateris Styopa Grats! i remember the first time i went in , was exciting , turned out to be expensive too xD

Matso
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Matso

” Players have also highlighted the fact that the player behind IronBank
used the immense ISK profits from running a lucrative gambling website
to fund the skill injectors, and he did it all live on stream to drum up
further interest in his online gambling services.”
So?
Isnt that the capatilistic Eve economy with player created events,banks and gambling systems that all players usually praise. Now a player ses the money he made of it and at the same time generates interest for his venture and now they go full communist on him for some reason.

WoOpin
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WoOpin

SallyBowls1 Nate Woodard Pretty much spot on. 
From the looks if it he does not even use that as his main it was done purely as an investment to get more customers.
http://eveboard.com/pilot/IronBank/progress

WoOpin
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WoOpin

Thornz He used in-game cash not real money. He is one of the most rich Eve players. http://eveboard.com/pilot/IronBank/progress

alexjwillis
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alexjwillis

Rich people gonna spend. No news there. 

Will change precisely nothing for everyone else playing the game, except that maybe now this person — whose character name is known — will have a big target painted on their backs. One more person who doesn’t know what they’re doing prepping some expensive killmails for the gank squad. 

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Vetack
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Vetack

Madda Amarrian? Sansha? Not specific enough to differentiate

Tithian
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Tithian

Absolutely pointless venture. Grats, I guess?

Ket_Viliano
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Ket_Viliano

Armsbend Sythalin  Sounds like you are very familiar with the game…

Ket_Viliano
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Ket_Viliano

Armsbend exeeter  Getting killed while flying expensive ships just gets you lolled at in the Kill Mails. Oh, and the forums. You really don’t want a reputation as an easy kill if you have any sense of PvPride.

Ket_Viliano
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Ket_Viliano

karmark678  Do you play the game much?
Paying real money, to buy PLEX, to sell for ISK, to buy a ship, that gets ganked on undock, is not pay to win, it’s pay to lose!

Most of EVE PvP is done in T2 Cruisers, Pirate Frigs, or BCs, with the occasional T3 Dessie or Cruiser thrown in for lulz. The toon skills to fly those can be had in 2-3 years, 35-55 mil skill points or so. It’s best if you focus on one race and it’s weapons, at least to start with. So, the ‘jectors really only get you a little head start, at the cost of more money instead of less money and more time.

EvE is more about really owning your specialty as a player, much more so than as a toon, and rolling with a tight gang.

Nyphur
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Nyphur

Sythalin Nyphur Isitari Having all those skillpoints in one character is actually kind of shit, to be honest. You can make a perfect-skill character for any one particular job with less than 50 million skill points, and can log into multiple characters at once. Due to the diminishing returns, 2,846 injectors is enough to create 25 characters with 50m SP each, and in practically any circumstances having two 50m sp characters would be better than one max skill one. It’s just a big waste of 1.7 trillion ISK.

Nyphur
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Nyphur

Armsbend DugFromTheEarth Yep, the TI5 compendium was literally a way to farm people with gambling problems and somehow nobody bats an eye at that.

MorpayneRADIO
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MorpayneRADIO

Lateris Styopa I never figured out hot to use probes to find wormholes, too complicated for ADHD to handle.

Armsbend
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Armsbend

SallyBowls1 people are confusing the loss of a job into not being able to get another job.  If you can code well then work is not hard to come by.

So again, I would be overjoyed at CCP folding tomorrow and everyone being thrown out on the pavement.   That doers not mean I don’t want them to find employment ever again or not eat forever.  That is silly.

Armsbend
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Armsbend

breetoplay I am arguing that it is being hurt by its existence.  The further lengths developers go into money making schemes and spending less time on creative – it catches fire with other developers.  

The pool of talented and morally correct (by most of our standards) is becoming increasingly small.

Armsbend
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Armsbend

DugFromTheEarth This has been Valve for going on 3 years.  They spend all of their time on new schemes for the marketplace doing nothing in the creative department/

Armsbend
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Armsbend

MorpayneRADIO I’d hate to be a part of that lousy ass meal time.

Armsbend
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Armsbend

Sythalin In order to truly hate yourself, as every serious Eve player does, you must rationalize your self-hatred.  I’m not joking.

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