BattlEye clarifies anti-hacking program and privacy to ARK players

After ARK: Survival Evolved players expressed some concerns about the new anti-hacking program BattlEye and its EULA, a BE dev took to the survival game’s Steam forums to address those concerns. Noting that the reddit posts that are stirring up concerns were written by a “well-known hacker,” the dev acknowledged that the program is invasive, as it needs to be to do its job, and that the EULA was purposefully meant to be very direct to give players a clear understanding. Then he emphasized that the program does not root through personal files, saying:

Yes, BattlEye has to be able to scan all memory (RAM) and all game- and system-related files on disk. However, this does not mean that BE is looking through your personal files, credit card details or other such information and sends them to our servers. I want to clearly emphasize that we don’t do this.

If players want to feel even more secure, he suggests that players close all other programs or processes that contain any sensitive information while playing on any BattlEye servers. Even so, the team will add more clarification to the EULA in the future as well as an uninstall option.

For ARK players, it should be noted that there is no need to install BattlEye unless you play on a BE enforced server (MOP’s is not), and the launcher will prompt you whether or not you want to install.

Source: ARK steam; thanks to Tanek for the tip!
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DPandaren
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tanek_09 paragonlostinspace Gadgets4G That’s because a MiM attack is kind of a broad brush stroke of an attack. Tons of ways to pull one off. But in it’s simplistic form it means that data being sent from Person A to Person B can get intercepted by Person C by either going through that person or by illicit means.

Wardriving is a good example of using a MiM.

tanek_09
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tanek_09

paragonlostinspace tanek_09 Gadgets4G More than what? I see people make statements like this, but very seldom see any details.  I am not saying you are wrong, just that so far I see no evidence that this is any more dangerous than 95% of everything else we do online.

paragonlostinspace
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paragonlostinspace

deekay_zero Samizdat     Which is why Steam isn’t a good thing to have on your system. Are they encrypting that information that gain from your system? Are they keeping it anonymized? What are they doing with that information? How susceptible is it to being used in a man in the middle attack?

 I didn’t care for MJ Guthrie’s post below which isn’t addressing what many of us are concerned about. I felt she blew off the importance of what most of us are grumbling about. Being able to play on a private server dodges the point.

paragonlostinspace
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paragonlostinspace

PizzaDoh Samizdat  If you think that it’s only those who make use of Torrent and go to porn sites who are freaked out than you are being willfully ignorant.  No one should want software like this on their system, it too easily enables man in the middle attacks. I spend thousands of dollars online every year, I want my data safe and not being mined or used to screw up my credit.

paragonlostinspace
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paragonlostinspace

tanek_09 Gadgets4G These sort of tools are more susceptible to man in the middle attacks. No thank you.

tanek_09
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tanek_09

Gadgets4G Then the question becomes…what isn’t?

Gadgets4G
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Gadgets4G

The question is not “do they?” It’s, could they? Perhaps Battle eye is safe and pure. However it is subject to the human foibles of its creators and thus suspect.

deekay_zero
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deekay_zero

Celestial windows 10 reports less information anonymously than every single modern game does single player or online. which you’re not really guaranteed that level of anonymity in game telemetry reporting that windows 10 features.

(or for that matter on your phone – yep your phone dials home to apple and google far more information less anonymously than windows does. and do you use anything google? guess what? :D do you use any apple computers or devices? guess what?)

which is why the shill techblogger agitatation on win10 is amusing. well beyond their usual naked bias and conflicts of interest.

deekay_zero
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deekay_zero

Samizdat steam hardware suvery also reports every single application you have installed on your pc.

want to see what percentage of steam players use a torrent app and which one they prefer? steam can tell you that!

Karl_Hungus
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Karl_Hungus

PizzaDoh Karl_Hungus Cartap 
Google can take satellite images of my house all they want. They don’t know what I’m doing inside. And the only thing my ISP provider knows that I do is use Tor browser. You think it’s paranoia because you’re probably from the generation that thinks nothing of broadcasting their personal shit all over social media, etc. I’m from the generation that believes what you do in the privacy of your own home should remain private, and that includes accessing the internet. You keep thinking there’s nothing you can do about it except unplug, but you’re wrong.

agemyth
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agemyth

Hey, do you want anti-cheat options or not? One day you will see one of these games forums flooded with complaints about “PLS DISABLE ALL HACKS FOREVER” like it is that simple of an issue. Now people are worried about Battleye?
Our world governments are more invasive than these game companies.

BrotherMaynard
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BrotherMaynard

It’s interesting to see how upset players are over this Battleye, yet some of the posters here are apparently (judging by previous articles) completely fine with games like Blade & Soul or BDO, which use much more invasive third party tools and which are mandatory if you want to run those games.

It’s all fine to be cautious these days and I couldn’t agree more with what was posted below, just be more consistent, people.

BrotherMaynard
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BrotherMaynard

PizzaDoh Karl_Hungus Cartap No need to suggest going into extremes, installing a simple addon like Ghostery and / or Noscript will reduce the risk to a minimum without going back to the stone age…

Lord Zorvan
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Lord Zorvan

Long as I don’t have to install that crap, I could care less. The minute this shit becomes mandatory, the chargeback will hit the fan.

PizzaDoh
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PizzaDoh

Karl_Hungus PizzaDoh Cartap This site with out a doubt uses google in some fashion or another – google already has all your shit and pictures of your house, 360 pictures at that.

PizzaDoh
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PizzaDoh

Samizdat This happens with every anti-hack program really. After somebody points out the program (like all antihack) holds the potential to be malicious (like literally any program) a bunch of people who browse torrent sites daily and cruise porn sites nightly start freaking out about their security.

paragonlostinspace
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paragonlostinspace

SallyBowls1 Exactly, it’s why I don’t think it should be an option at all. Crap like this needs to go away.

paragonlostinspace
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paragonlostinspace

cursedseishi  Which is why I don’t use Steam.

paragonlostinspace
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paragonlostinspace

I’ll pass, you have no need to root through my ram and hard drive.

Ket_Viliano
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Ket_Viliano

Celestial  Dual boot is a total pain. I used to install many OS systems, just for the heck of it, it’s a waste of time. Just wait for a year or so more at most, and the Win10 antispyhax will be on piratebay. Most of the Win10 spy stuff is due to Cortana, learn how to turn it off. Or, use two computers, which may well be a good idea in any case.

Damonvile
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Damonvile

That’s not nearly as melodramatic though.

Karl_Hungus
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Karl_Hungus

PizzaDoh Karl_Hungus Cartap 
Actually I’m not fine with all the other programs that do it. I don’t know where you got the idea that I was. I refuse to upgrade to Windows 10 just because of the privacy issues. I don’t use Steam, Origin, or anything like that. And I block all trackers on my web browser, among other things that collect information. So no, I’m not okay with corporations collecting my information without my knowledge and consent and I do everything in my power to stop it.

cursedseishi
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cursedseishi

A lot of people are jumping in to throw their two cents about how this sucks and Ark ain’t worth it…
And yet everyone is missing the fact it isn’t a mandatory download nor is it even necessary to play the game. If you hate it) don’t download it. Saying you won’t buy Ark because of this is like saying you won’t buy that new TV because it’s warranty is asking you to check yes or no to having someone check in on it. As far as DRM and Anti-Hack measures, this is only vaguely more invasive than Steam already is.

Samizdat
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Samizdat
PizzaDoh
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PizzaDoh

Karl_Hungus Cartap I just want to point out you seem fine with all the other programs on your computer, including your OS.

Celestial
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Celestial

Between things like this and Windows 10 itself, I’m beginning to believe the smart choice is to dual boot between Windows for gaming, and Linux for everything else.

Karl_Hungus
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Karl_Hungus

Dystopiq 
The wording isn’t entirely accurate but the general message behind it is.

schlag sweetleaf
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schlag sweetleaf

Karl_Hungus Cartap

grimmtooth404
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grimmtooth404

“Well known hacker” more than often means “well informed techno that calls us on our bullshit in public but doesn’t have fancy lawyers like us.”
Obey your techno-lust.

Karl_Hungus
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Karl_Hungus

Cartap Karl_Hungus 
And open your computer up to what’s essentially spyware. Just because the company says it isn’t doing it doesn’t mean they aren’t, can’t, or won’t. I refuse to trust someone just because they say, “trust us.”

Karl_Hungus
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Karl_Hungus

Higgens Karl_Hungus 
Yes, this is one of Franklin’s quotes that gets misquoted and/or paraphrased the most. I’m sure I could’ve found an image with the most accurate version, but meh.. it gets the point across.

schlag sweetleaf
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schlag sweetleaf
Ket_Viliano
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Ket_Viliano

stovakor21  Play on a private server, with people who care enough to not cheat. MOP has a great server, I recommend it.

Speaking of which, I wonder if my fort is still there, I had to stop playing as mowing the grass and doing meat hunting patrols just to feed my dinos turned it into a tamagachi, and I hate / do not enjoy tamagachi games.
My tendency is to play Dinos like it was an MMO, but the persistence rules are not suited for it.

MJ Guthrie
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MJ Guthrie

stovakor21 Plenty of servers don’t use it, so you don’t have to dl it. I didn’t, and I play ARK every day.

stovakor21
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stovakor21

not worth it bye bye ark

MorpayneRADIO
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MorpayneRADIO

Karl_Hungus haven’t you heard? quoting any of the founding fathers makes you a paranoid loony now. Conform or we’ll chase you with a drone.

SallyBowls1
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SallyBowls1

I am more concerned with incompetence than malice.  It is a never-ending battle between some very smart Microsoft/Google/vendor employees and some very clever hackers and the good guys have setbacks.  I don’t think any game company is going to be able to employee world class security people, for cost among other reasons.  I don’t think the game company is going to on a nefarious search of my system.  But their scan program is yet another vector that can be compromised.  There are enough games that I can’t see wanting one enough to deal with this but especially not from a smaller company.

Cartap
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Cartap

Karl_Hungus Benjamin is right but it doesn’t really fit this case. You are not giving up liberty to gain security when you install BattleEye, you are giving up security to gain entertainment.

Blinkenn
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Blinkenn

To feel more secure, load program that scans all RAM on your PC.

Higgens
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Higgens

Karl_Hungus The words “essential” and “temporary” are missing from that quote.

Dystopiq
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Dystopiq

That quote is wrong.

MilitiaMasterV
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MilitiaMasterV

“We don’t do this….yet.” There, fixed it for you.

Karl_Hungus
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Karl_Hungus
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