Black Desert players are up in arms over the P2W Ghillie Suit

There’s some controversy in the Black Desert community about an item that you can buy offering a serious advantage, and yes, it’s the Ghillie Suit. You knew it was going to be the Ghillie Suit. “No, I didn’t know that,” you say. “What the heck is the Ghillie Suit?”

The Ghillie suit is one of the many costumes available in Black Desert‘s cash shop that can alter your character’s appearance. It also has another advantage, allowing players who wear it to hide their nameplates. A relatively small advantage in a PvP situation, but still an advantage.

A poster on Reddit has claimed that this completely ruined the game for him, as he is red-green colorblind, and without the additional contrast from a character’s nameplate, it’s impossible to see someone stand out from the background while moving around. There’s no official word on the situation from the developer, but players are upset that a vanity item is providing a sizable in-game advantage to those who purchase it — upset enough to lodge 1500+ posts as of this writing, pushing the post to the front page of Reddit.

Source: Reddit; thanks to Jasdemi for the tip!
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RagnarTheDrunk
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RagnarTheDrunk

…… hide it from yourself

Ikniz
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Ikniz

i call bullshit there’s a button in the game allowing you to hide your name

Iamblake
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Iamblake

watch out. one of this guy might be hidden somewhere.
http://www.ghilliesuitshop.com

MitchellNew1
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MitchellNew1

arktourosx Smiggins If you pay to have an advantage against someone else in a game, that is
pay to win, but not on an extreme scale, although that depends on how
you use it, someone in the suite can be the first to attack, jumping out
of no where and killing you before you can react, then again, I guess
it does add quite a significant advantage against other players if you
are geared properly.
Think of it like this, Idk if you played WOW,
but imagine a death knight or warrior who can’t be seen until attacking,
if WOW decided to add something exactly like this suit everyone would
throw their desks into the air and WOW would immediately be labeled P2W.

MitchellNew1
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MitchellNew1

blckops712 If you pay to have an advantage against someone else in a game, that is pay to win, but not on an extreme scale, although that depends on how you use it, someone in the suite can be the first to attack, jumping out of no where and killing you before you can react, then again, I guess it does add quite a significant advantage against other players if you are geared properly.
Think of it like this, Idk if you played WOW, but imagine a death knight or warrior who can’t be seen until attacking, if WOW decided to add something exactly like this suit everyone would throw their desks into the air and WOW would immediately be labeled P2W.

AGx
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AGx

Am I the only person not bothered by this because you play with player names TURNED OFF?! Anyone? Seriously, this is a huge annoyance for me (a sea of names floating everywhere, I can barely see the actual character models in it). I just turn the damned things off but I leave on guild and party names so if I’m in a PvP situation and you come near me, I’m attacking you. In the open world I have to wait for you to attack me anyway (so I can defend myself) and once you do that a*** is grass. Don’t need to see your name to know that.

R3vision
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R3vision

dragonherderx hey munchkin do you know that this item gives you an advantage through pay shop? are your brains capable of getting this? You. Pay. For. Unfair. Advantage.

… think bro. think.

BritoBruno
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BritoBruno

N3rdygam3r666 arktourosx Don’t try to reinvent the wheel here. The P2W expression exists already and has a clear meaning.

BritoBruno
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BritoBruno

dragonherderx He. Can’t. See. The. Goddamn. Player.
Read.

Telos_
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Telos_

It is P2W.  It gives and advantage to win in a pvp match.  There’s no way to spin that.

ToxicTrip
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ToxicTrip

I agree it’s not pay to win at all. God, that term is so overused. Keep the suit and target those who wear them. They are sitting ducks.

Sythalin
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Sythalin

N3rdygam3r666 “Seriously, you’re not that clever.”
“Western audiences would also ‘man up'”
“low mark in journalism”
“I don’t really PvP (yet) [but I feel entitled to comment on it]”
“rather than L2P”
Seriously, you’re not that clever.

Sythalin
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Sythalin

KevinCheng1 Just because you cannot fight under water doesn’t mean swim speed doesn’t contribute in PvP.  If you can’t see how, then you’re doing it wrong.

Sythalin
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Sythalin

Smiggins Give it a few months.   People white knighted ArcheAge in the beginning as well.  99% of them will never admit to it today after seeing how ridiculous the wallet warriors truly became thanks to the cash shop.  BDO isn’t quite there yet, but the operating word there is “yet”.

Sythalin
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Sythalin

dragonherderx “And if you are colorblind just be cautious of someone wearing the suit?”
Reading comprehension isn’t your thing is it?

eekamouse
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eekamouse

This alone in my view doesn’t make the game pay to win , I am enjoying it but the moment it becomes too pay to win by my definition then I will simply stop playing it and move onto something else . 

If Daum pull too much sh#t and get too greedy all it will do is drive people away ( you would think gaming companies would have worked that out by now but nope they make the same mistakes over and over again )

I imagine I will get 6 months out of it before it all goes to hell .

eekamouse
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eekamouse

Boardwalker Nakua Care to explain if you have to buy a game in the first place how you can be a freeloader ?

Lycaeus
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Lycaeus

blckops712
so with number 3 people wearing it have an advantage over people who don’t. That is why people are angry.

It’s far easier to V away in to oblivion and blend in with other ghillies, it’s far harder to keep track of a ghillie wearer in green terrain, etc etc etc.

No matter what way you paint it, owning the ghillie gives you an advantage over people who do not own it, and it is a cash shop exclusive item, thus there is an element of pay to win

Pedge Jameson
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Pedge Jameson

arktourosx Tithian Ok guess its not fucking funny. You re all like goats on the PC’s nowadays.

dragonherderx
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dragonherderx

arktourosx N3rdygam3r666 You do need to learn to play. Be cautious watch for the glow around people you are at war with and learn to play properly. If you saw someone come up on you in an OWPVP game that had 0 nameplates you’d be cautious. If you see someone in the suit be cautious of them? If you are at war look for the red glow around the target… It does nothing but hide the name plate which i can do by freaking crouching or even laying on the ground quick hopping up and following behind you to smack you in the back if i really wanted… Once they attack their health bar shows up and it’s easy to tell..

disUserNameTake
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disUserNameTake

To be fair, this is really more like “Pay to have a slight advantage.”  :-)

dragonherderx
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dragonherderx

Only idiots find the Ghillie suit p2w in all honesty. If someone comes near you in it be cautious of them. if you are not paying attention in the least enough for them to hit you in a ghillie suit you are not paying enough attention that they couldn’t do the same shit by running up on you. It hides your name and that’s it as soon as they are hit their health bar shows and it offers nothing OP stat wise or anything of the sort. If you are at war with someone wearing one they glow read for the love of god…  I could do the same shit by crouching near a tree and following you briefly…. NOT hard. People are really grasping at straws with this. And if you are colorblind just be cautious of someone wearing the suit?

KevinCheng1
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KevinCheng1

Really? They already switch to a new topic to complaint about. This time it is a fking fish suit that let you swim faster. Last time i checked you cant fight in water but that doesnt prevent them from crying about another p2w costume.

blckops712
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blckops712

I am sorry that someone color blind cant see people….. 
Here are the facts:

1.  The suit does NOT give you an advantage in pvp that helps you win.  When you flag you turn red, when you fight someone your hp bar is display top center of their screen as they hit you and remains for some time after.

2.  The name of your killer appears in chat log.

3.  The only reason people are mad is because they cannot see names so they can get revenge and or gangbang their killer.
The suit in no way shape or form helps you kill you someone or puts you at an advantage in combat.  You are not paying 2 win, that imply’s that you bought something to specifically give you an edge in a pvp fight that you would have otherwise lost without.

Boardwalker
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Boardwalker

Nakua b2p + cash shop is not redundant, unless you’re a freeloader. Purchasing the game gives you the right to play, and the cash shop provides you with optional purchases + consistent revenue stream for the company so that they can keep the game running. Seems like a win win to me.

arktourosx
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theKavorka I bought a second account for $30 then handed the guild over to it from my main character using two computers.  You could do this with another person as well I believe, like hand them the guild, then have them promote your alt account in it’s place.

SpaceOdyssey
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SpaceOdyssey

buy to pay to win ? b2p2w ,oh gee.

Husvik
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Husvik

Smiggins I’ve never said anything but i had reservations because it’s f2p everywhere but here? My feeling was we get dinged coming in the door, then they go free and essentially force cash shop purchases to survive. 

Problem is i love the game so I’m obviously hoping this isn’t the case. Case and point on how it should be i know gamers will understand, I can’t get enough Blade and Soul and it’s a tragedy reviewers and people didn’t get the overall concept of what it is and what it is not trying to be what you think it should be, but to the point, i have an HM2, HM1, and a 36 and you know how much I’ve spent on the cash shop ZERO you don’t “need” a thing and there is no pay to win items.
I now have the 10 dollar sub purely on my decision to support the game (there is absolutely no reason to have a sub running either). I notice at the higher levels there are more subbed players which is a sign of serious players and most likely the same reason, support and Thanks! There is no win advantage to having a sub.

That is the difference we are not forced in anyway to give them money, there is no pay 2 win, you are giving them money because you want to. Huge difference, HUGE!

Elirion
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Elirion

CloakingDonkey Elirion Twist it?  How did I twist anything?  You said they wouldn’t see the animation.  I corrected you.  There was no twisting.

CloakingDonkey
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CloakingDonkey

Elirion yeah but there’s still no name tag so first they would have to look for the swirly animation… You can twist it whichever way you want it’s a significant advantage.

Nakua
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Nakua

BDO is based on the redundant capitalistic formula of f2p/b2p + cash shop.

Expecting merge servers soon + f2p option.

Pedge Jameson
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Pedge Jameson

arktourosx Tithian Boy youre not too bright are ya? I’m a chicken lady!!

Walpurgisnacht
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Walpurgisnacht

enamelizer It’s pretty justified.

paragonlostinspace
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paragonlostinspace

Dystopiq paragonlostinspace  

Heh. High speed, low drag. Yeah I’d have rather gnawed off my own hand then be at that base. (shudder) When I lived in Richmond a few friends of mine who I’d been in europe with were stationed there and we’d go down to visit them and they’d come up to visit. No thanks. 

 I can’t imagine a worse place to get stationed as a scout than at Bragg and the 82nd. Probably why I kept re-upping for present duty station in europe. Stateside duty in general sucks but being at Bragg? No thanks.

  I keep my dog tags along with old P-38 on my keychain. The tags to remind me to be cautious about volunteering for anything and the P-38 because it was a useful tool and still comes in handy at times now a days.

BryanCo
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BryanCo

A Dad Supreme BryanCo  Sure people use those spaces.  They’re not just for the handicapped, they’re also for the lazy that are willing to risk a fine.

BryanCo
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BryanCo

Bionicall breetoplay BryanCo aboomwithaview  Believe it or not this tale of being um…de-horsed..has finally convinced me to give the game a try.  Not that I’m that thrilled about getting thrown from a horse, but because putting something like that in is a sign that the devs went that much further in making the game.

enamelizer
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enamelizer

Oh, people on reddit are up in arms about something? Weird.

Dystopiq
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Dystopiq

paragonlostinspace Dystopiq I never heard anyone call it Recon Scout in the 82nd. It was always Cav scout. Relax highspeed.

theKavorka
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theKavorka

arktourosx Silverlock What is a shell account and how do you get one?

Liandreth
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Liandreth

BryanCo aboomwithaview I accidentally did this somehow the other day, derping around. It was the greatest flip ever. I’m not sure how I managed it, but holy cow, it was glorious.

Malth
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Malth

melissaheather “Win the game,” presumably. (I’m not endorsing that stance, just pointing it out.)

arktourosx
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arktourosx

Smiggins No one is pretending here except maybe you.
There’s a huge difference between a few (less than 4) items being sold in the cash shop that provide advantage and trying to imply you can flash your credit card and instantly win against anyone else who doesn’t.

arktourosx
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arktourosx

Chasan This is a bit of a logical fallacy though.  Using this logic it’s pointless to do anything.  Why go after bots or gold spammers, I mean they’re just going to keep at it right?  Why fix bugs in the MMO game or add new content, the MMO gamers are just going to be unhappy with it right?
While there will always be crazy people out there upset at the weirdest things very rarely do you see this kind of widespread discussion on an issue.  Even ignoring this article, there’s that massive thread on Reddit (in a sub that usually sees couple hundred upvotes per topic).  There’s innumerable threads on the forum across many forums over it.
If anything this is a great topic to be had because it’s going to set the tone of what the NA/EU players can expect out of Daum when an item is widely thought as unacceptable gets put into the cash shop.  Will Daum capitulate?  Will Daum ignore everyone?  This topic right here is going to set the stage for what players can expect out of Daum going forward because I can assure you from the KR version of the cash shop this is not the last item like this.

VK13RZ
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VK13RZ

Caec First thing I do in every mmo is turn the damn nameplates off cluttering my screen.

Smiggins
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Smiggins

How long are people going to pretend this game isnt p2w?

Chasan
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Chasan

Heres the thing with the MMO community though. Lets say they scrap the suit, or give everyone a free one so everyone has the option to use it. The whiners are just going to move to the next issue on their list and tell us all how this new problem is the end of the world. 

MMO players are never ever happy.

TadSaine
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TadSaine

Robert80 thank you for explaining the term, i appreciate it!  :)    

getting back to the issue at hand: to try and rephrase my original post, i think the thing that frustrates me the most is that the BDO cash shop is 100% optional on every level, and people still complain about it.  i hate games that intentionally break game mechanics and then sell you fixes to those broken mechanics via the cash shop – that is what i call a cheap money grab, and i will not play those games.  BDO isn’t doing that at all – they are simply selling luxury items, and people are still throwing around this ridiculous ‘Pay2 Win’ term? give me a break!

if people don’t want to pay for sub, then they need to ask themselves what they are willing to pay for in order to keep their game up and running.  personally, i would rather pay for luxury items rather than pay to fix intentionally broken mechanics.  if that means someone gains some stat bonus over me, so be it.

Robert80
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Robert80

RagnarTheDrunk hardy83  I think yet again this is the case of “Not every game for every audience.”  The thing with BDO is it is different enough in many ways that the loss stings for people who have issues with it.
My issues with the game are driven by a number of other things within the game, and the fact that so many of the systems are cool just doesn’t drive me enough to overcome those issues.  I really hate that there isn’t much for competition (yet) with the cool environmental features involved… because that would allow for so much more options in what each person wants out of their gameplay.
So for now, I content myself with other games that are not terrible and hope for the future (especially given that so many creative ideas are flowing from the smaller companies trying to break into the genre!)

Caec
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Caec

There’s nothing small about the advantage nameplates give over those without them. It’s why I’ve always wished games like WoW had nameplates on by default, if only because I’m convinced it’d move the needle just a teeny bit on the gawd awfulness of pvp pugs, since if I’ve learned anything about gamers in general over many years…it’s how few apparently ever press esc and actually bother going into their options, keybinds, etc. Anything a developer doesn’t make default basically means a good chunk of their playerbase will never use/experience.

Robert80
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Robert80

ThatLanteshGuy Quincha  These things are really cool, hope you get them and enjoy!  Best of luck to you on that!

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