Tree of Savior puts its early access to player vote

The Tree of Savior devs are reworking their plans for early access based on player “feedback.”

IMCGAMES says that its three-month exclusive access plan was conceived from concern over stability once the international audience stampedes the game’s doors; it hoped to avoid high concentrations of players, queues, and bots and wanted to use the early access to gauge demand.

“However, we realized that we had missed some critical points after seeing the feedback on yesterday’s announcement. The largest point that we missed was that the 3-month gap may cause a divide in the gaming community. We had made options to access the game at lower prices after 1 or 2 months in order to lessen such a divide but realized that it wasn’t enough. The feedback gave us a chance to reconsider the initial plan of having 3 months of exclusive access as it proved to be too long for many players.”

“We consider communities to be an integral part of MMORPGs and we consider each and every single player to be important to us regardless of whether or not they pay for the game. We would also like to offer our sincerest apologies for changing to a Founder’s Server after announcing an Open Beta without sufficient explanation. We would like to find a way to make amends for announcing a news that let many players down who had been waiting for an Open Beta.”

That way comes in the form of a poll on the official forums, for which you’ll have to register to vote.

Source: Official site. Thanks, Colton!
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agemyth
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agemyth

Zariarn ttyl Grinding is cool again because everyone got sick of being lead by hand from quest hub to quest hub to do scripted grinding in a much less dynamic fashion.
And yeah, its a lot of old RO people interested. It is also GORGEOUS.

EolVoid
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EolVoid

dorn2 Quinnocent CloakingDonkey Rumm Which is kind of pointless with a cash shop game. If you really want to play it, you’ll have to pay a lot more than 60 bucks over time.

EolVoid
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EolVoid

Sunken Visions “freemium” is the worst possible choice for a player.

EolVoid
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EolVoid

Zariarn Ragnarok Online nostalgia.

EolVoid
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EolVoid

JeremiahWagner Which, for some god unknown reason, has got no love over the years. Why? Why is there no FFT2, 3, 4 & 5?

I’ll never understand that.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

ManastuUtakata Zariarn Not so much here but other gaming sites tell me otherwise.

dorn2
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dorn2

Quinnocent CloakingDonkey Rumm 
No it’s bullshit.  85% of the people whining just didn’t want to pay $50.  They wanted to get in right away.  That’s why as soon as the poll went up they actually wanted the 1 month split. It was $10 so it suited them just fine.

ManastuUtakata
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ManastuUtakata

Zariarn 
I am really not sure it does, beyond those who are interested in playing it.

McSleaz
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McSleaz

Zariarn google the systems and classes in the game, got me hyped. & I love me some old school grind, not everyone wants endgame handed to them  1 week into their game.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

ttyl Zariarn You’re probably right about all of those but why in world would people be hyped about grinding?  Hardcore grinding to boot.  I’m always hearing how people hate grinding.  What does it have that’s any different than D3, Devilian, and/or any other isometric game available?(other than anime graphics)

I guess I’ll have to try it to see what the fuss is all about.  I’ll wait till F2P

Zariarn
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Zariarn

JeremiahWagner Zariarn In my opinion, it looks like ELOA with more graphic polish.

ttyl
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ttyl

hardy83 yup, there was/will be no wipe. was a literal advantage, especially due to the game’s grindy design (280 levels atm, planning for 600)

ttyl
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ttyl

Zariarn hype = nostalgia. old school designs, hardcore grind, etc

JeremiahWagner
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JeremiahWagner

I love the graphics style, it looks like like my true love Final Fantasy Tactics.

JeremiahWagner
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JeremiahWagner

Zariarn I’m just hyped because it looks like FFT my fav game ever lol!

CloakingDonkey
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CloakingDonkey

breetoplay CloakingDonkey Rumpleman Yeah that is a valid point and it doesn’t necessarily matter who makes it.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

CloakingDonkey Rumpleman It seems to me that some of the people concerned about a split in the community were people who planned to pay from the beginning, fwiw.

Zariarn
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Zariarn

Can someone please explain to me why this game has so much hype?

CloakingDonkey
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CloakingDonkey

Giggilybits no it was supposed to go on sale yesterday, the servers were to open on the 22

Kanbe
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Kanbe

I’d like it just to see how that % would stack up vs the other options. Would like to know if the majority of players really thought this whole thing was an issue to begin with

karmamule
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karmamule

Quinnocent Kanbe One would think, but internet apathy can be surprisingly vocal.

Giggilybits
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Giggilybits

Thought this game was suppose to release a couple of days ago?

Quinnocent
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Quinnocent

Kanbe Wouldn’t such players simply abstain from voting?

Kanbe
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Kanbe

Wonder why there isnt a 4th option of “it makes no difference to me”

Quinnocent
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Quinnocent

CloakingDonkey Quinnocent Rumm It’s not bullshit.  I’ve actually read the entirety of the main response thread on Reddit.  Yes, all of the several hundred replies.  I did the same on the official site in the post making the initial announcement, at least as of yesterday night.  I didn’t see a significant amount of what you’re referring to, especially on Reddit.
In the instances where people complained about cost, it was largely because IMC hadn’t yet announced that the game would be using localized Steam pricing, and standard USD prices are unaffordable for many players in Brazil and Russia.  In the instances where people talked about OBT, it was people complaining that IMC had announced an upcoming OBT only to switch to a paid early access.  In fact, doing a text search of F2P in the main Reddit response thread, especially as I get into the gutter posts at the bottom, most of the people who are even using that word are using it to bash F2P players.

This isn’t about “entitlement.”  It’s not about how much you can get for your $50.  There actually are paying players who care about the long-term viability of games.  There are paying players who care about the integrity of a game’s community.  Many of them are willing to delay their gratification to ensure they’re buying into a sustainable product that works for everyone.  Many of them also manage to not look down on others because they suddenly have money in their wallet.  That’s the group I belong to.

All you really need to do to properly understand the nature of this divide is look at what people talk about.  A lot of the people complaining about the initial Founder structure talked about the perils of dividing the playerbase and what that decision signaled regarding IMC’s possible future conduct; many of those players, myself included, made those comments even knowing that they themselves would be Founders and thus be unaffected by the paywall.  On the other side, the people who opposed the player complaints were generally quick to talk about what they lost (hysteria over the possibility of a major delay was extremely common), and they were quick to dismiss their opponents as whiny people who weren’t worth listening to because they weren’t paying enough.
Take what you will from that regarding who is angry and entitled.

Sunken Visions
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It’s funny, virtually all of the problems that people have complained about could have been avoided if they’d simply used a B2P model. If they needed funding, they could have just used Kickstarter. I guess this is what MMO developers get for trying to rip people off with this ‘fremium’ nonsense. Now, any developer that dares to charge money for their game is called ‘greedy’ and forced to charge less or go F2P. All because the players can simply go play something else for free.

CloakingDonkey
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Quinnocent CloakingDonkey Rumm bullshit. The reddit thread is still up and there are plenty of highly upvoted comments saying how this is a betrayal and f2p should be f2p and bla bla bla…

You’ll find that a lot of the 3 month crowd doesn’t really care either way because they’re the ones willing to pay anyway… I voted 1 month, too because it’s the better deal. I cared less about the 2 months early access than all the extra goodies they’re throwing in with the 1 month package… read that thread as well, there are plenty of people saying exactly the same thing. Instead of 2 months of early access the 1 month package gives you 60 days premium, a pet and a stat/skill reset potion…

Quinnocent
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Rumm Quinnocent Mitzruti CloakingDonkey 
That’s the $64 question.
However, they don’t have infinite funds, and the game is struggling in Korea. Judging by their own rhetoric, they’re internally pinning a lot of hope on a big international launch.  It doesn’t make any sense to me that they’d push the game back three months.  If they were launching it now, they were launching it now for a reason, and that particular calculus will not have changed.
I’ve always thought the fears that player complaints would get the game significantly delayed were largely unjustified.  I still think that.  I don’t think that was ever a distinct possibility.

We might see a bit of a delay now as they reshuffle their schedule and create contingencies for faster roll-out of new hardware.  I highly doubt it will be three months.

CloakingDonkey
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Rumm Quinnocent Mitzruti CloakingDonkey We probably won’t know until they make a decision of which model to go with.

Btw I’m still gonna pay 50$ because I think the game deserves it  and it’s not like there’s a free option. 10$ just to get in with a pittance of TP is still not the free access that the loud minority wanted.

Also, who knows maybe this was a case of them wanting to go with the 1 month scheme to begin with and announcing the 3 month one as a ridiculous opener and when people complain they can could come in with their original plan and seem fair, reasonable and generous xD

CloakingDonkey
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CloakingDonkey

Rumpleman The one valid point they have is the 3 month gap in progress between paying and non paying players. That could be a problem for what is very much a niche game. Agreed on everything else though… it’s the height of f2p entitlement…

Rumpleman
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I actually have to agree somewhat with Rumm below. I’m happy to wait 3 months to try it for free. That’s the price of “free”.

People on reddit and the forums are acting like entitled children. It does indeed cost money to create/run a game. And they are a business afterall. If everyone gets in for free and no one pays for anything ever, then the game will close. Simple math.

Note: I’m happy to sub or pay a monthly fee once I’ve tried the game – assuming I like it.

Quinnocent
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CloakingDonkey Rumm The crowd wasn’t saying “open beta or riot.”  The crowd was saying that 3 months was an absurd length of time for early access, that such a plan would split the playerbase.  That’s IMC’s exact reading of player opinion too.
“However, we realized that we had missed some critical points after
seeing the feedback on yesterday’s announcement. The largest point that
we missed was that the 3-month gap may cause a divide in the gaming
community.”
The vocal minority were the people who were saying the original plan was fine as-is and accusing everyone else of being a whiny child.  The poll shows 11% of people supporting the original plan, the smallest of all three available choices.
It was never about money or wanting the game to be free.  Nobody cared about a reasonable head start program.  The biggest concern was always the effect that a three month head start would have on the longterm health and viability of the community, and by extension, the game.

Qarran
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Qarran

I’m no insider on this deal.  But I don’t trust or give weight too much of what is posted on game forums or Reddit, tbh.  Not so much that the devs don’t post accurate info, but rather that the nervous nellies of negativity dominate such sites and skew the “needs” of the player-base  to suit them.  Suddenly cries for unreasoned required action seem like a majority and yet if you took a real poll you would see quite the opposite.

And yet, at least from what I can see in  this case, this simple little tweak will make many more comfortable with the game.  It will entice more people to buy in early, from what I can tell.  Because let’s be honest, devs aren’t just doing this as a friendly gesture.  It makes good business sense.

So… Kudos IMCGAMES and ToS fans.  This seems to bode well, but… there is a long way to go.

Rumm
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Quinnocent Rumm Mitzruti CloakingDonkey Which release date though? Regardless which, one of the dates is going to change drastically; either early access will be on the 22nd and the f2p launch gets moved up 2 months, or the f2p launch is firm and early access will be moved back 2 months.

Quinnocent
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Rumm Mitzruti CloakingDonkey  That was posted on the official site in the original Founder infographic.  They explicitly stated that the game would be available for purchase on the 16th, but the highest tier of Founder would only get to actually play on the 22nd.

They’ve also posted on the official site that the release date either won’t change, or won’t change much, regardless of what poll option is chosen.

Rumm
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Rumm

Mitzruti Rumm CloakingDonkey I had actually seen that a lot on the forums and reddit, but not on any official announcement or outlet – their communication is general is very poor.

Mitzruti
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Mitzruti

Rumm CloakingDonkey the servers weren’t going to be open until the 22nd anyway.

Rumm
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Rumm

CloakingDonkey Rumm The poll is just loaded. It’s essentially asking whether you would rather pay more or less money to get into the game at the same time. There is nothing new to learn from this other than people aren’t willing to pay $50 for a game when they can pay $10 and get the same thing, minus the TP benefits. 

Instead of playing a new game today, as I was looking forward to on my spring break, I had my own time decided for me by children who threw a fit.

CloakingDonkey
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CloakingDonkey

Rumm well either of the three options still means you only get in early by paying, so they didn’t cave to the “open beta or riot” crowd and so far the poll shows very clearly that the vast majority wants at least 1 month of paid early access.

I actually think this is a really smart way because if over 75% of the community votes for 1 month + it leaves the vocal minority who wants open beta and f2p and no early access at all no room for weaseling. The numbers are right there, they are in the minority, suck it up =)

Rumm
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Rumm

Can’t disagree more with this being them listening to feedback. This is them caving to the reddit hysteria and 5 year olds on Steam who just prevented people from playing the game by flagging it.
The best course of action would have been to stick to the original schedule, rather than having company policy dictated by the most toxic voices in their community. This just put a very sour taste in my mouth.

Vanblod
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Vanblod

The one month option is a lot better. three price points for entry, allowing basically anyone interested to hop in!

hardy83
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hardy83

I would assume after it comes out of EA the servers would be wiped, I suppose if they aren’t then I can see that being an issue.

CloakingDonkey
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CloakingDonkey

Nordavind It’s Steam only. by 3rd party they meant anything beyond steam such as their own launcher (Uplay f.e.)

Dystopiq
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Dystopiq

I hope they have tools in place to deal with gold sellers.

mrnastybutler
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mrnastybutler

I’m surprised to see them actually take this feedback and allow for various options.

Nordavind
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Nordavind

Kudos to devs that asks for feedback. *thumbs up*
Can’t stand the art atyle though. And even if I did, it seems to be Steam only (the FAQ was confusing or amusing at the same time:
“Do I need to create a 3rd party account to play the game?”
“No, you do not need a 3rd party account in order to play the game. You only need your Steam ID.”)

Sigbjorn
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Sigbjorn

That’s a refreshingly intelligent response from a developer!

FacundoMercau
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FacundoMercau

I recommend you guys to check the game. It plays really well and has some unique systems and style.

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