Derek Smart is pulling Line of Defense from Steam over review-bombing

In response to a question about Line of Defense’s status on Steam, developer Derek Smart (yes, that Derek Smart) has told players that he has decided to pull the game from Steam.

“My reasons for moving the game are very simple. I am tired of the noise, the attacks, the harassment, the distractions here on Steam,” he writes. “Steam has become too big for Valve to be able to effectively police every aspect of it and where anti-social misfits reside. They know this, the Steam community knows this, and we the developers and publishers, know this.”

He cites “review bombing” and a lack of developer control over the “#1 source of harassment: the front facing Steam store page” in the form of review comments and ratings. The game’s Steam reviews currently stand at 122 negative to 21 positive.

Smart says that future purchases of Line of Defense will be handled through PlayFab and Xsolla and that everyone who owns the game on Steam will be granted a new copy on the new service. “Once the game goes final, then I will re-enable it again on Steam, then update it,” he writes. “At that point, as with our other games, it will be sold at all our other partner sites.”

Source: Steam via MMO Fallout
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ArboleroTreemender
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ArboleroTreemender

If only Derek took as much time developing his own game as he does making blogs and presentations of “facts” or posting in public forums. We would still receive abandonware from him…

I really wish this guy would just retire. He has never made anything worth mentioning. All his “fame” is of him being a nuisance for decades. Its a miracle he hasn’t made someone go “that” crazy that it turns into a police matter….

KuarThunderclw
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KuarThunderclw

rioinsignia Cymelion Problem with that statement: Most of the negative reviews came prior to him becoming more widely known as a troll as he has of late…  so no, he got the negative reviews because the game sucked, not because his attitude. He has the attitude problem because he’s the type that refuses to learn from his mistakes and instead looks for however he can maximize profit on his product rather than providing quality.

Cleannternet
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Cleannternet

ohforfs rioinsignia You are right somehow.  But do the same with current Alpha SC, How many will stay only 5 minutes in one of the current Alpha game option like Arena Commander or Crusader?
You can spend several hours just exploring and having fun… and it is still way ahead from a commercial release. LOD is crap because DS nerver did something good in 20 years.  He got a few M$ from court againt  a couple companies.  That’s all.   This guy is just a massive troll without talent, the very opposite of Chris and Enrin Roberts…

3 years ago I bough SC Jpeg.  I am now walking inside them, flying them, Quantum drive them. Including EVA, playing a bit of FPS, in a gorgeous universe with great detailled textures.  I see where the 112M$ are going.

Cleannternet
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Cleannternet

So in short, the 18th iteration of battleCruiser, first major failure of DS, is again a failure.  This guy did not learn from his own mistake to release even an average game.  No.  He still deliver total crap while his single, main focus, is to spit on Chris Robert and Star Citizen, which is already in its buggy (less and less) and light content Alpha state, a very fun experience.
Shame on you DS!!  Go back to your Troll cave.  This news make my day :)

Sincerely

carson63000
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carson63000

bardamu1999 Cymelion Don’t worry mate, Alganon didn’t have any players. It was the worst MMORPG ever developed, and that’s saying something.

ManuelRegien
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ManuelRegien

Hanthos In my opinion Derek Smart has shown that he was not so much anti-SC but more anti-Chris Roberts and anti-David Braben back in 2012.


But it all went downhill from there when the Star Citizen Kickstarter turned out to be a rousing success. Even Derek himself quickly jumped on board during the last 24 hours (evident by the date on his Citizen Card flair item). 
But not because he wanted to support the project, but rather because he apparently believed his $250 ‘legacy backer’ pledge would entitle him to some kind of legal rights which in 2015 he tried to enact by writing nasty blogs, sending demand letters, wanting to see CIG’s financials, ordering Chris Roberts to be replaced by a project director or something (and then nominating himself as if he viewed himself as being qualified for that position). 
To many this was viewed as looking very similar to the Quest Online takeover where Derek was first brought on board as an advisor and somehow managed to convince investors to let him take control. Then he fired the original creators for ‘insurbordination’ if you can believe that. And we’ve seen how Derek Smart subsequently ran Alganon into the ground as he was apparently only interested in obtaining the engine tech for his own game.
But regarding spacegames in general we can look further and Derek is showing a pattern regarding comments aimed towards other spacegames like EvE Online and Star Wars Galaxies where Derek Smart apparently viewed any spacegame that wasn’t his as inferior to his own ‘games’ (well, his ideas at any rate).

However his contempt (some would even attribute it as jealousy or even hatred) for Chris Roberts has a special place in history and can be traced back to 1990. Back then Derek had found a publisher for his Battlecruiser 3000AD project and went to his first convention as a developer. But a few hours in the publisher cancelled the deal because the press wasn’t impressed with it when considering other titles in the genre. According to Smart the press was referring to Chris Roberts who had just released Wing Commander which was met with critical acclaim (and went down in history as a classic).

But instead of taking it in stride and improving upon his own game Derek started sending nasty messages to Origin; demanding they cease publishing Wing Commander or he would sue as they were stealing his ideas. The guys over at Origin had never heard of the guy and told him “Good luck with that” and ofcourse Derek never sued. It took Derek 7 more years and went through several publishers before BC3000AD v1.0 was finally released in 1997 by Take-Two Interactive and it was a bug-ridden mess (even moreso because Derek apparently had been actively sabotaging development and causing delays while working on a separate personal version than the one he was supposed to be working on with the team).

From 1990 on it looks like 26 years later Derek has not changed one bit; even to the point of proclaiming that “they started this war!” and pretending that he is the victim in all of this or wants to be seen as some kind of saviour. However, to me he seems to be going full Captain Ahab and deems Chris Roberts, CIG and the Star Citizen project as ‘the enemy’. 
He has also shown that he is not afraid to stalk/doxx Chris Roberts’ family (his wife and children) as well as employees from CIG and has already been banned from numerous forums and comments sections, shadowbanned from Reddit for making a hate-sub against another individual who had called him out on a lie as well as getting a 24 hour suspension on Twitter at one point (for doxxing as I recall). 
An article on The Escapist back in 2015 was also found out to have been orchestrated by him containing wild claims of illegal conduct against Sandi Gardiner (racism and ageism), made-up ‘sources’ that were supposedly verified (generic blank HID card counts as verification these days?) and fake Glassdoor reviews that conveniently sprang into being during that time as ‘evidence’. That Derek was behind it (when The Escapist claimed he was not) has later been verified by several gaming related sites when they stated that Derek had been shopping around his story and trying to find someone who would run with it. Not to mention that he himself could not keep his own mouth shut and had to gloat by telling CIG that something was coming even before the article went up. Like some cartoon villain twirling his mustache while revealing his evil scheme… *rollseyes

To me he is just a spiteful old man who blames his own failiures as a game developer on everyone but himself. And I expect that once he reads this he will try to dig up my personal information and threaten to sue me for having an opinion. So I say to him: Good luck with that! ;)

bardamu1999
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bardamu1999

wjowski He’s been upset since the Origin days, when he sent Roberts nasty letters claiming Wing Commander ripped off Battlecruiser.

bardamu1999
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bardamu1999

ohforfs The thing is, LoD had awful reviews long before DS kicked the hornet’s nest by accusing SC of being a scam and vowing to “burn it all down” with threats of lawsuits, incidents of doxing and harassment.  Once the hornet’s nest was kicked, things got real bad real quick for him, but his game has been a total turd with almost nothing but terrible reviews long before any of the SC nonsense started.

bardamu1999
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bardamu1999

Cymelion The way he took over Alganon is exactly what his twisted brain had in store for SC.  He figured he could drum up enough FUD to cause a crisis where backers would oust the management at CIG, then DS would step in.  Thank the gods nobody was stupid enough to fall for that.  I feel sorry for Alganon players having their game ruined by all that politicking.

bardamu1999
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ManuelRegien Hanthos The amazing part is DS tries to claim from time to time he’s not actually anti-SC and not actually wishing for its demise, then that unfortunate SS pops up.  The guy really is a grade A turd.  For all of his high handed talk his lapses into childish and vindictive shit lord behavior make it almost impossible to have any sympathy for him at all..

jeremy2020
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Cymelion rioinsignia Thus his problem…he can’t get any attention any other way.

ohforfs
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ohforfs

rioinsignia ohforfs It was a combination of everyone’s comments.

rioinsignia
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rioinsignia

LordOfBread ohforfs Given the dates and the fact that the time played on many is more than just a few minutes (in fact some have spent hours in the game according to Steam)….
Then those “review bombs” may actually be considered as legitimate reviews.

rioinsignia
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rioinsignia

reuscherf And almost no players as well.

reuscherf
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reuscherf

It’s barely even a game, there is almost no content…

wjowski
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wjowski

salidar 
 His game was awful and was getting shellacked before he started messing with Roberts.

rioinsignia
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rioinsignia

Reihen Trump would make a terrible president, but still makes the news.

LordOfBread
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LordOfBread

ohforfs I’ve just looked at the dates of the reviews and the majority predates his crazed crusade against SC. If he blames SC, he’s again making shit up.

LordOfBread
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LordOfBread

Reihen 
>he still manages to make the news.

so do car crashes and derailed trains. Gives the audience a ‘glad I wasn’t there’ feeling while sipping coffee.

Reihen
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Reihen

Can we please just let this troll die under a bridge already? The guy’s entire life as a game developer has been a complete flop, void of any success, yet somehow he still manages to make the news.

rioinsignia
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rioinsignia

ManastuUtakata I’d suggest not invoking him here.  I don’t think it’s fair to lay such extra moderation work on Bree and Co.  And besides, looking at his twitter, he’s more interested in continuing to misrepresent facts about other games, than to focus on his own.

rioinsignia
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rioinsignia

Armsman It’s certainly stretching the definition of the term, that’s for sure.

rioinsignia
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rioinsignia

ohforfs I’m curious as to what he’s said that changed your mind.

rioinsignia
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rioinsignia

kgptzac Derek has always maintained that LOD is an MMO.  Irrespective of the fact that there’s NEVER been enough people online in the game to prove that it truely is a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER online game.
This was posted back in 2011:

3000AD Announces “Line Of Defense”


“3000AD have revealed their next game, an MMOFPS called http://3000ad.com/lod/.
Encompassing both space combat and war across planetary landscapes,
Line Of Defense a twitch shooter in “a massive open persistent game
world”. It is apparently due for release later this year.”

Note the bit in bold.

rioinsignia
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rioinsignia

salidar What would you prefer to see being addressed separately?

mysecretid
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BritoBruno 
+1 for the Tower Of Babel reference, BB. I’m impressed.

Armsman
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Armsman

Mookids And the EVEN MORE hilarious thing about the trailer you linked – Per Derek Smart himself, it’s not even an “in engine’ trailer of the game. It was ALL pre-rendered ; using game assets (and it still looked like something cira 1995 graphics wise):

Post from the Steam LoD forums on the trailer from Derek Smart himself:
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dsmart  [developer]Sep 1, 2015 @ 10:53am   Line Of Defense Reveal Trailer
The trailer is NOT from the game engine. It is pre-rendered using game assets. Just like it says in the trailer itself.
I have NO idea why people keep pointing to a “reveal” trailer as if it was in-game. Like most games that do reveal trailers, it’s not. At all. 
Once the game is final, and all bits are in place, we will do an official release trailer from within the game.
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^^^And said post was made September 1 2015 – at which point LoD had been in development for 5 YEARS.
Direct Link to post I’ve quoted above: http://steamcommunity.com/app/266620/discussions/0/520518053454088343/

So, yeah, seriously – 5 years in and DS could do an ‘in engine’ actual trailer for his own game? ROFL. ‘Review Bombing’ was not the cause of this game’s lack of success.

Armsman
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Armsman

ohforfs Honestly, (and again this is just from watching a couple of reviews by Industry gaming sites); it dosen’t seem to take long in LoD to run around and see there’s no pone to engage in combat with (and no NPC PvE at all in no one else is in the game); and nothing really to do.

What difference would sitting on an empty map for more time (a couple of hours) do. It’s a developer’s job to build something that engages the player in some way. If a game doesn’t do that (or constantly crashes; or lags out – which was happening a lot in the playthroughs I saw); why should someone have to endure more than he can take before writing a review?

Armsman
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Armsman

screecwe Dev? What Dev? This is Derek Smart.. Maybe Pseudo-Dev; or Dev by Proxy, but Dev? ;)

paragonlostinspace
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paragonlostinspace

Loyheta paragonlostinspace   Heh! It’s amazing how deluded and self centered this guy comes off as.

Loyheta
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Loyheta

paragonlostinspace I need to make a dozen accounts just to like this comment xD

Loyheta
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Loyheta

ManastuUtakata rioinsignia Oleg Chebeneev Clear sign of the apocalypse.

Loyheta
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Loyheta

ohforfs A south park picture and you don’t go with The Biggest Douche in the Universe Award?

ManuelRegien
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ManuelRegien

Hanthos https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/651196488840667136
Derek Smart: “I’m going to burn it all down!”
World: “Uh Derek, the only thing you burned down was your own game”

ManastuUtakata
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ManastuUtakata

No reply from Mr. Smart yet! /elf butts

screecwe
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screecwe

Couldn’t happen to a more deserving dev.

Hanthos
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Hanthos

I’m giddy watching his sham of a game burn down around him. No, it isn’t right. But it still makes me giddy anyway…

Hanthos
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Hanthos

Armsman Right now in RSI General Chat, there are way more than 122 of what could be considered, “Negative Reviews”! Yet the world keeps on turning.

Coffee, Please
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Coffee, Please

All that drama to get himself attention, followed by the inevitable flounce of shame when he gets it. Can you imagine? People judging what he’s made after he goes on a rampage judging others. Why, what has this world come to.

Cujo H
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Cujo H

lol

ohforfs
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ohforfs

Ok, I have changed my opinion a bit and I now think that Derek Smart deserves the 2016 Dick award.

chriskovo
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chriskovo

ohforfs  to be fare 20 mins sounds about right for that game. Tried it out when they mistakenly put it out as free to play and it was the most incomprehensible game I have played in a while.  Nothing was thought out for the convenience of the player, no menu systems, had no idea what to do.   And it really did look bad even than.   Judging by the trailers thye have posted its looks just as bad now only even more dated at this point.   Say what you will about Planetside 2 but at least it was playable and fun for a  time.   Went to steam and read reviews and they seemed like decent ones not fanboy attacks at Derek.  The game is just that bad and he is trying to put a smoke screen over it.

salidar
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salidar

Brigading is messed up. Doesn’t matter who it happens to.

No love lost for DS but people need to address things separately.

ManuelRegien
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ManuelRegien

paragonlostinspace Yep, and at the same time doing nothing but make noise, attacks, harassing and attempting to cause distractions for another game developer for nearly a year now. What a hypocrite.

captainzor
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captainzor

Chuki792
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Chuki792

kgptzac Its an MMO according to the store front… though it seems only 144 people have deigned to leave any feedback :-/

kgptzac
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kgptzac

This has nothing to do with MMOs… while many of us may yearn for a good Derek Smart drama with popcorn in our hands, this ain’t that.

Chuki792
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Chuki792

josefreaksalem

As is often the case with any review, you can learn more from what’s not said than what is said, and thats not the platform’s fault, certainly not in Steam’s case.
We’ve all read reviews where the reviewer doesn’t even talk about gameplay, just prattles on about things like loading times, price, or why they hate the company based on other games… hell most ubisoft game reviews are just a reason for people to vent about Uplay, never once mentioning the gameplay; whats good or bad etc. 

Easily spotted and easily ignored in my experience. 
That said, looking at the small review sample (144 reviews for an mmo!?!?!?) and the fact that the legitimite reviews (ones that actually talk about the game with a decent amount of playtime and not just venting about Smart) its clear to see the game is sub-par, even at this early stage.

Chuki792
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Chuki792

ZenDadaist one thing i’ve hated about steam reviews is it only allows you to see “helpful” reviews. 
So where there are say 10 negative reviews, it’ll only show you 2 or 3 ‘helpful’ ones but no option to see ‘all reviews’… and this is through the client… am i missing something?

Husvik
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Husvik

So he can dish it out, but can’t take it?

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