The Daily Grind: Will you Kickstart any video games in 2017?

I backed only one Kickstarter in 2016: Hero's Song, which you'll recall didn't fund. While I'm generally suspicious of Kickstarter and have regretted a couple of my donations, I can't rightfully say it's a bad thing since it's one of the big reasons I'm saying this on the site Kickstarter donors built. And I didn't back more this past year mainly because not much caught my eye -- not because I'm against the idea in general. I still think the platform can work, as long as we look out for the abuses.

But I know a lot of you are way more hardline about crowdfunding than I am, so I'd like to hear your thoughts. Do you plan on Kickstarting any video games in 2017? What about MMOs or non-gaming projects? What are your personal rules for engaging in a campaign?

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KryptonianGL
KryptonianGL

I've already backed both Camelot Unchained and Albion Online (Yes, I like Arthurian-based games if you could not tell).

I'm happy with those two for now (along with the many current MMOs I already tinker in from time-to-time in addition to my continuous sub to WoW). So unless we see a new Star Wars, Harry Potter, Super Hero, D&D or Warhammer MMO that strikes my fancy, I'm good for the moment. :)

PaganRites
PaganRites

Already have with Kingdom Death.  Possibly the Ashes of Creation MMO.  We'll see.

Lotsofheals
Lotsofheals

Do i ever buy organic snake oil.? Sadly yes. Kickstarter seems easier to avoid. .

Robert80
Robert80

If I see anything that inspires me.  Very few games meet that mark.

AlexanderDeLarge
AlexanderDeLarge

If you're the ones saying "no, I don't believe in it", I hope you're happy playing World of Warcraft clones because it's obvious the publishers would rather spend $100 million on the Wildstars of the world rather than $10 million into something like Crowfall.

By all means, wait for these projects to release but don't act like it isn't changing this genre for the better. Especially since you'd have the choice of WoW, a hundred WoW clones and EVE five years from now.

You would think that there'd be more sandbox games coming from the AAAs considering Day-Z and Minecraft and Garry's Mod were the biggest breakout successes of the last decade, but you know, they'd rather join the graveyard of "WoWkillers"

schmidtcapela
schmidtcapela

@AlexanderDeLarge 

There have been many sandbox games, including AAA sandbox games, for a while already. Some of the best known franchises are sandboxes or have strong sandbox elements; The Sims, Simcity, Animal Crossing, X, Scribblenauts, Harvest Moon, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, GTA, etc.


Now, if you mean an AAA-budget sandbox MMO, well, there has been no MMO sandbox that became a runaway success yet, at least not in the west; games like Day-Z, Minecraft, and Garry's Mod aren't MMOs. EVE is the closest thing to a MMO sandbox success story, and even then its launch was very bad; EVE had to organically grow its player base across the years, which is not what the studios and publishers that bankroll AAA-budget games look for.

So, for the foreseeable future, sandbox MMOs will likely be either small budget efforts (which is where Kickstart can be very helpful) or Asian imports (Asia seems to like the concept of sandbox MMO more than the rest of the world). This likely will only change if one of those games becomes a runaway success in the west.


For what it's worth: I dearly love sandbox single-player games, kinda like multiplayer PvE ones, and really hate PvP sandbox games of all ilks (with "PvP sandbox game" being defined as any game where another player can attack me without my explicit consent, even if the PvP is supposed to be just a minor part of the experience).

thickenergy
thickenergy

Nope.

But when Camelot Unchained goes Beta-ready, I will probably throw down on it.

GabeNewellFetish
GabeNewellFetish

Unlikely, unless it is with someone who I've experienced a successful kickstarter with, previously. Having backed about 750 crowd-funded video game projects over the last 4-5 years, I have been able to see what it all is really like in aggregate.  About half of them never amount to anything and of those that do, about half of *those* are far less than you expected. Of the half that completely fail, almost none of those have ever provided refunds or rewards (you are obligated to provide either or for your project per Kickstarter TOS, even if your project fails). Even if they said they were accepting requests for refunds. And a huge portion of them simply came down to "this is harder than I thought it was going to be so I quit" and too bad about all the money and time everyone contributed.

Sorenthaz
Sorenthaz

Dunno.   Might back Camelot Unchained, which I keep meaning to do in order to show some support for it.   Does that count?

I'm doubtful to buy into anything that isn't in a basic playable form from the getgo.   Hero's Song I backed because it was going to be out fairly soon (before it crashed/burned, rip).   Project Gorgon I backed like over a year ago because I enjoyed what I played of it and want to see it succeed.   Bloodstained Ritual of the Night is the only game I've backed that has a lengthy wait time, and that's 'cause I love Igarashi's work like crazy and am dying to have a new Castlevania-esque game done by the legend himself (along with several other big names from the Castlevania games, like the composer who did the music for Symphony of the Night through Harmony of Despair).   Also getting access to the E3 demo made me super giddy.  Though the 2018 release is going to suck waiting for... q.q

Raygar (Of CU)
Raygar (Of CU)

I'm not a big fan of investing / crowdfunding a game that doesn't need it. If the studio is independent and has no plans to add a publisher I will seriously consider investing in it. If it's not I generally will not back the kickstarter. That's not to say that I would not buy a game that was kickstarted. Just I will not get in during the kickstarter.

Raygar (Of CU)
Raygar (Of CU)

there are no games in the works that I'm currently considering investing in.

Neo_Wolf
Neo_Wolf

I've backed tons, so I don't see that changing, anyone who makes the kind of games I like and I find out about them will typically find me throwing a backing at them :)  And I haven't backed anything that has failed to deliver yet, not that it would be a great loss if one did as the first rule of kickstarter is don't spend what you can't afford to lose ;)

quark1020
quark1020

I will not. I'll buy completed games, I'll buy games in alpha/beta/omega testing if its pretty good despite bugs, but I draw the line when its just at the concept stage. I want something tangible (or digital) for my money, not just promises and good ideas.

Kiritsu
Kiritsu

I mean I have bought early access for one game, which sort of felt like a kickstarter in a way because it was Landmark and it was supposed to help EQN reach its full potential, and the other was Hero's Song. We all know what happened to both those and all I really feel atm is that I like the idea of Kickstarters, but I will probably not be a backer for anything in a while. Like Estranged said earlier never say never, but right now I feel like if it is meant to be it will happen without me and I don't want to waste my own money or end up having given money to a company I end up hating in every single way like Daybreak. So I will gladly give a company my money when they have a finished game for me to play but until then I will probably hold on to my money.

Estranged
Estranged

I never say never, cause Bree and Mark Jacobs got to me in the past. Also helped a friend with his board game project.

Memo: I count all backing before launch in this basket.

Project Gorgon, I like them. Might give them some money. They are raising so little, obviously not trying to get rich or pay their personal bills.

I need the project to keep the spirit of crowd funding. Helping the little guy/gal chase a dream.

Reht
Reht

Probably not, i have crowdfunded too many games so far and none of them have officially launched yet, i think i will hold onto my money and wait for the ones i have already spent money on to launch or fold before considering dipping into the KS pool again.

Greaterdivinity
Greaterdivinity

Unlikely, I've only crowdfunded a small handful of things over the years to begin with. If I see something that looks awesome and that I feel confident will make it to market, sure. That door is always open, but it's rare for me to find one (I don't look too much).

Serrenity
Serrenity

There's always a chance, but there hasn't been much lately and most games are far too early in the process for me to throw money at. Mostly because I hate backing then waiting years for a game.

Which has been TUG, SC, Shards, now defunct Hero's Song, Project Gorgon.

Chances are I won't back anything, but never say never yah?

Wilhelm Arcturus
Wilhelm Arcturus

It would have to be something that really stood out and from somebody with some credibility.  But in general, no.

Adri Cortesia
Adri Cortesia

It depends on the game so something between maybe and probably

aaradun
aaradun

not mmo's. some single player games probably

Ganymede
Ganymede

In a word:  no.


There are too many people with their hands out, promising the world and failing to deliver.  Give me a product, not a wish list. 

mosselyn
mosselyn

I am not much for buying "a pig in a poke", so no.

luxundae
luxundae

If past is precedent, I'll back far too many in my ever-more-foolish search for a game world that brings back the carefree feelings of my childhood and college days of yore.


...but at least I'm honest with myself?

duane99
duane99

starting from scratch, probably no.  2013 this was a cool concept but if the professionals cannot pull off a new MMO I doubt

Three guys in a garage with spare time after school and work will produce the next big thing.


However, If the game gets to alpha in steam or that far along maybe.If there is a name or company associated with a history of producing something, maybe.  At this time I will save my kickstarter dollars for books, cartoons, documentaries and cat coffee shops.


skaz123
skaz123

Helped fund Camelot Unchained and Crowfall


I am just waiting around to see now if its worth it or not. 

JasonRevell
JasonRevell

Never have, never will. Don't believe in it. Show me a polished, fun, game that's complete and I'll gladly show you my monies. Well, not really. I've been trained by my wife to only buy things when they are on sale or on clearance so we never pay full retail for anything including games.

CthulhuDawg
CthulhuDawg

I've kick started 1 website, 1 RPG, 1 videogame and 2 boardgames. The only one that didn't deliver was the videogame. I mean it sort of did but now the developer is demanding I take my money back. I'll probably hold off on videogames in 2017 but I'm excited for new, cheap boardgames.

jaif
jaif

The advantage boardgames have is that they can be developed on a shoestring budget, and only kickstart when they have a working product ready for polish and printing.

So yeah, I'm with you on the boardgames. Videogames? It's a crap-shoot.

Shaigh
Shaigh

I will continue to back RPG like divinity and wasteland but I'm never ever going to back MMO'ish games. It all depends if another shows up on kickstarter.

TronSheridan
TronSheridan

Even thought I was burned for $125 on my last boardgame KS (3 years ago), and am STILL waiting for Star Citizen to be in any playable form that doesn't require a supercomputer to enjoy.... I might throw some money at the System Shock reboot.  Not an mmo, but the alpha demo does a wonderful job updating and capturing the spirit of the original.  Who am I kidding....KS is a scam.  I'll just wait for System Shock to release and buy it if I want it.

Cotic_OP
Cotic_OP

@TronSheridan 

Really liked that System Shock demo, captured the spirit of the original very nicely.

CthulhuDawg
CthulhuDawg

@TronSheridan Sorry to hear about your bad luck. I've kick started 2 board games and an RPG and all 3 delivered amazing products. It felt to me like boardgames were a safer investment.

wolfyseyes
wolfyseyes

Hard to say, really. I'd be lying if I didn't admit that my enthusiasm on crowdfunding has cooled a bit, particularly with the glut of early access titles.

That said, I also love gaming and MMO development more than cynicism, so I can never truly say never.

SallyBowls1
SallyBowls1

My plan is to never Kickstarter anything else, ever. I may not be able to stick to it completely but I expect to come close and certainly should be able to resist next year.

Gevah
Gevah

I'm a late adopter, when people move on to other things i buy the stuff they left behind, Skyrim? i just started playing it, and the old version not the new Special Edition, same thing for gadgets, the only crowdfunding i did is for things i'm really excited about, and none of them are video games.

I don't have rules, if i'm excited about it then i'll fund it, knowing the risk, of course it'll help if the project is already done or almost done, concept art and few screenshots is not enough.


arcanesight
arcanesight

i alwait before doing that cuz certain games are really bad. I have my eye on 3 games i did not help them i need more info on like. pantheon and camelot unchained. 

Koolthulu
Koolthulu

No. While there have been some decent crowdfunded games that actually released, the risk of failure is too great. I'll let other people take that risk and wait for a finished product.

Archebius
Archebius

Still waiting to see how the first round does. I've backed Star Citizen, Camelot Unchained, Crowfall, and Chronicles of Elyria - I'll have a full plate if I end up playing all of them. 


Also, my wife disapproves of my Kickstarter habit, so that will slow me down.

ManastuUtakata
ManastuUtakata

Sure...if there is something that catches my fancy, and I want to see it made. But I don't see anything like that coming down the '17 pipeline thus far.

MesaSage
MesaSage

I'd be surprised if there were any MMO's to Kickstart.  As I've said before, I like that creative people who need funds have a path to funding without VC, but unfortunately the legacy success rate is hurting newcomers.  Viewed as a donation, you'll never be disappointed, but I have other causes for donation money.

mrnastybutler
mrnastybutler

Not a chance.  I backed three games, one by a small group that is making nice updates, two by a known company where one failed and the other is still in development.  Was burned by that failed one as I paid the most into it.

Bannex19
Bannex19

Only if it's for Super Mario RPG 2