Revelation Online players accuse the game of pay-to-win tactics

Don’t look now, but the ugly form of pay-to-win might be slouching its way into Revelation Online.

On the forums, players have accused My.com of incorporating P2W tactics into the game, saying that the cash shop gives an unfair PvP advantage over those who only accumulate gear and progress through the game. Allegedly, the cash shop sells treasure maps that guides players to T6 PvP stones, while the best that others can attain through normal gameplay alone is only T4 stones.

When another player pointed out that the maps can be gained through the Ninefold Assault, the response was that people could buy top notch stones from the store in bulk and that it still constituted an unfair advantage in a competitive environment.

“We had the top players working on Tier 4 Gems and perfecting their soul grid, and now out of nowhere, everyone gets Tier 4+ gems and Tier 4+ Crystals, thus completely nullifying all effort put in the game so far,” one player wrote.

Source: Official forums. Thanks Kinya!
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Paul

Hmm, Asian import in p2w shock !!

LOL

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Jokerchyld

Wait… doesn’t someone have an unfair advantage if they play more than you? Its like you want competition but at the exact same time you want it balanced. That’s insanity and will never work. Good luck with that

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Castagere Shaikura

Don’t worry about it. This summer when ESO and FF drop their expansions no one will care about this game anymore. Its just to hold people over till the summer. The game is so generic in everything it does. Its just that its the new shiny.

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RJB

My thoughts exactly the game doesn’t have it’s own identity

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Witches

I don’t really understand the concept of p2w since the definition of win is pretty blurry, i also don’t understand this idea that nice looking gear can be monetized but power can’t, unless the barbie doll people all get to play for free while the real players pay i don’t see how this makes any sense.

At any rate it always looked like the game was going to rely on a cash shop for profit, being a free game i don’t see how else it would work.

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Indigo Salma

Its easy , if you pay for power its pay to win.

corum_jhaelen_irsei
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corum_jhaelen_irsei

Resuming….

1) another asian game is imported (copy pasted) into the west
2) the publisher must or just copy paste the original publisher business model, which is fundamentally composed by these elements:
– PAY2WIN f2p
– endless grind
– gambling
3) some people complain because some other people like pay2win and play the credit card warriors…

Uhm… so where is the new?

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Indigo Salma

Even skyforge turned pay to win since the huge garbage update. Since you cant turn ingame currency to diamonds anymore . There are some progression options that you can boost with diamonds , and now you can only get them through real money instead of like guild wars 2 buy them with ingame currency. Should have expected this as soon as people saw that shit happen…

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Greaterdivinity

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rafael12104

A few more thoughts aside from what I posted below.

I don’t know why this is a surprise. Looking at the complexity of the currency and the cash shop, it was and is obvious from the outset that this game is more p2w than most. They tried to hide it with currencies and mats, but the confuscation certainly tells you there is something they don’t want glarring obvious.

So… back to the really important stuff. Who did Trump insult today?

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Wendigo Runner

Gasp! I’m stunned!

… stunned!

WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING T_T_T_T_T

I mean it’s not like this has been obvious for months or anything idk?

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JP Andrews

Yep…

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Schlag Sweetleaf

And that no man might pvp or pwnzer, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name which is P2W..

REVELATION ONLINE 13:18

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rafael12104

Perfect. Lol. Especially that maMMOn.

“Money is the root of all evil.” P2W, thy name is Mephistopheles.

pepperzine
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pepperzine

No shocker here, this was expected, and probably only the beginning.

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Utakata

Poisoning a good thing seems to be the modus operandi of most MMO’s that resort to cash shop mechanics in funding their game. “Got to get ’em hooked, or they won’t pay!” /bleh

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imayb1

Revelation Online has officially been out for a week or so in the West, which isn’t much time to ‘get ’em hooked’. However, anyone who didn’t see this coming from RO’s time in the East and my.com… well, they’re a special kind of blind.

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Utakata

To be clear here, “hooking them” is forcing the player to rely on the cash shop to get ahead and/or remain competitive from my PoV. That by nature will hook players right off the bat if they’re the types that need to stay ahead of the curve. Also see: Whaling.

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Armsbend

PvP in a Korean MMORPG. I lol’ed.

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rafael12104

Not Korean, Chinese. But the point stands, but not exclusive to Korea.

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jay

Chinese

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Bad Karma

I’m sorry if this sounds like a silly question. Could they make one server that didn’t allow cash shop items, maybe allow the cosmetic purchases? That way, at least on one server, everyone would be on equal terms as far as grinding gear. Only the people that truly wanted that experience would be there without the outside influence of Pay to Win.

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jay

Then ever player would be one that sever, and the greedy China studio wouldn’t have any whales.

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Arktouros

Generally it’s a matter of a lack of financial incentive to do this. In addition to the base game experience you now have a whole separate system. That system takes resources to develop as well as additional resources to maintain in the future.

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Arktouros

I mean I have low patience for the P2W discussion anymore but what game did these people think they were going to be playing? This game has been broadcast as super pay2win since the announcement of the preorder game packages. The developer is renown for developing pay2win games. And while I’m hesitant to lump all Korean localized games into the same boat this isn’t exactly something uncommon let alone new from that end of the world.

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Shiro Madoushi

Did nobody learn this lesson from ArcheAge? The new p2w is not direct purchase gear. It’s setting up years of grind and inconvenience to acquire gear and wealth in the game. Then you sell a ticket to bypass all of that in the cash shop. Then you have white knights who scream “its not pay to win, it’s pay to progress” in the forums. Someday it can be gotten through legit in-game means if you give up your real life and grind for an insane amount of time.

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antheriel

Is anyone else exhausted by the P2W discussion? Publishers have to invest millions to make games that you want to play. That means someone has to pay to play them, if they’re to remain open. For that to happen, they have to sell something that most people really want. Since most people stopped being willing to pay for subscriptions, they have to find something else you really want. Sometimes that means you actually have to pay for critical parts of the base game. I know it’s annoying to face paywalls and gated content–I can’t afford a lot of the nicer stuff in BDO, some of which offers leveling boosts–but I’m really happy that the game is still running and that I can go months without paying a cent and still have tens of hours of fun.

To me, P2W is only an issue when a typical player has to pay for more than about $15-20 a month worth of cash shop items to remain basically competitive.

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rafael12104

I’m tired of the discussion as well. Personally, I don’t care if another player spends thousands to get the best gear. It means nothing to me. I won’t do it, but I’m not playing these games to show off my shiny armor.

BUT the problem with PvP specifically is that it does matter. It literally is a pay to win scenario. When you face another player in a PvP battle and you have lost before you started because your Visa card remained in your man purse then the very competitive nature of the game itself is compromised. It is more problematic by region IMO. It is more acceptable in regions outside of NA/EU.

IMO games like this need to think about regional expectations and adjust accordingly. They can monetize more outfits or cosmetics and still make bank.

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jay

Yes it cost money to develop the game, but it is possible to have a 100% pure cosmetic cash shop and be profitable. Look at ESO, smite, LoL. He’ll, it’s possible to be successful and not have a cash shop at all, but studios have become too greedy for that

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Jeremy Barnes

Look at Path of Exile too…

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Utakata

Yes, I am. But I also understand that this discussion will likely only stop when game companies stop being disingenuous with their cash shop mechanics. Until such time, you and your /upvoters will have to learn to deal with the PW2 discussion. Because it ain’t going to go away until then.

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rafael12104

I agree with this as well. The real problem is that many games use subterfuge to hide the fact that from the outset they are offering p2w options. If they were more upfront about such things the outcry would be lessened to a great extent. If catered more to regional expectations and removed p2w items from cash shops for the west, there may other opportunities to monetize other items that are just as important to players.

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imayb1

These companies offer up a new game trailer and swear up and down they won’t be P2W. They might say they’ll only have a few convenience items but they won’t be P2W. I wish they’d just admit it: “Yes, we will have a P2W game. Whales, welcome!”

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Shiro Madoushi

To me, P2W is only an issue when a typical player has to pay for more than about $15-20 a month worth of cash shop items to remain basically competitive.

Which is pretty much every p2w game in existence. Just take the upcoming new gear in ArcheAge. A friend and I did the math and it will cost somewhere around $15,0000 in APEX purchases to get a top level weapon. The gold invested comes out to around to roughly 20 times the value of everything I have earned in game since launch over 2 years ago.

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Zander

This game was advertised as P2W from the beginning. Get a job or find a new game.

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rafael12104

Was it? I don’t remember that. It seems to me they have been tight lipped about it and if anything hiding the fact it is p2w.

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Rustyblades

It is pay to win – you can buy dungeon unlocks, gear update mats, etc from the cash shops. Stuff that would take “poor” people months to grind can be bought from the store.

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Daniel Miller

You know this is a funny topic. It was this website itself who streamed the game for a friday feast. In doing d so they were bragging how they were beating all content buying potions and it was ok. Yes this very website and the team who steamed the game for one hour.

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rafael12104

Nah, it wasn’t this site. I know the site and stream you are referring to. MMOs.com. It is similar to this site in many ways. And weirdly some of the articles have the same look. But in this case it wasn’t MOP. The MMOs stream did indeed talk about the potions etc. In fact they describe it during the stream as p2w at one point.

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Daniel Miller

Thanks, yea thats the video.

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BalsBigBrother

Now I got home I was able to check MJ’s stream dates and she did one for Revelation Online on the 9th and also the 16th. Can remember talking about cows on heads and flying but not so much pay to win :-)

@rafael12104 thanks you for clearing that up for us, confused poster is confused :-) Oh hum the internet being the internet I guess heh /shrugs

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Witches

Come on… does MJ even know how to brag? This was an obvious confusion, actually yesterday when she was playing this very game she mentioned how she never remembers to use potions.

Now if this was about p2w giant cats i could see Mj arguing the price was worth it.

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BalsBigBrother

Yeah I remember her mentioning potions too but couldn’t recall the context.

heh I would hate to think how much you would need to pay for the kibble and cat litter for said giant cat

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MeltWithYou

I’ve been reading this website + old massively for years, following these same writers plus or minus a few…for years…with that said, I can’t think of a single time they ‘bragged’ about anything including P2W tactics.

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BalsBigBrother

Please post a time stamp on the stream for whatever it is that you are referring to because I watched that too and have no idea what you are talking about.

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Skai R

Is it really surprising that an Eastern MMO uses P2W tactics? These games are built on it.

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J. J. Sándor

I can’t care less if Korean players are nickel-and-dimed to death. Whathever floats their boat. This is a western release, though; here we do things differently, and imports should respect it. Stuff that’s perfectly acceptable in Asia is frowned upon in the west (and the other way around).

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Jeremy Barnes

We should build a firewall to keep these games out! We’ll make them pay for it too!

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BDJ

Is it really surprising that players play F2P games and bitch when a company tries to monetize said F2P game? Players truly don’t even know what P2W even means. Go look at Mobile Strike. THAT game is P2W. If you dont spend 100s a week, you cannot be competitive at all. You literally cannot do anything but shield. Its a waste of time.

Players really need to stop going into F2P games and bitching about things they do to make a profit.

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Armsbend

So because mobile strike is stupid p2w then other games aren’t because they aren’t as much p2w. OKAY.

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BDJ

What i’m basically saying is don’t play the fucking game if its P2W. Quit crying about it. If you want to continue to play it, then play it as a Free Game, which it is. Mobile Strike requires you to pay because there is no play style avenue other than PvP. If you don’t pay, the people that do will keep you under their boot.

You are getting a free game where the only thing you do is spend time. You download it, create an account, and go play. If the game doesn’t suit you or you disagree with their monetization, then by all means, uninstall and move on.

Sitting around crying because a spade is a spade is pointless and sad.

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John Kiser

I agree that many don’t seem to acknowledge what p2w actually is. Many players whine when anything that takes some amount of time can be bought. They whine when you can level a bit faster. They whine over temp buffs. They whine over pretty much everything imaginable anymore.

The strict and true definition of P2W and not someone’s “opinion” of what it means (i’ve been around since before the term was coined) is being able to buy power for real life cash that is unobtainable in game. That is it period. Being able to speed up getting something has never meant a game is p2w if that same item is something everyone is able to get period.

And I get sick of people that are just like “but, but, but”. Look it isn’t P2W, just because they can get something easier than these people and they need to understand that. These games do this because those people that do spend help keep the games profitable and allow those that want to play free to still do so without causing the company to lose a ton of money.

I wish people would just call something P2W when it actually is. Does this stuff give someone an advantage for awhile? Yes. Does said advantage make a game inherently P2W? No it does not. When they close off being able to get those stones at all to the free players that’s when they enter P2W territory and I’d be on them pretty hardcore about it.

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J. J. Sándor

Mobile apps are an entirely different animal.

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BDJ

A game is a game. A free game is a free game. It doesn’t matter which platform its on.

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