Experts caution against VR dangers

With virtual reality headsets becoming widespread and the gaming industry jumping on board the movement, could there be a dark side to this rapid adaptation? That’s the concern of some of University of Southern California’s researchers, who spoke at a lecture to present some of the unintended consequences of widespread VR penetration.

The researchers are calling for government scrutiny of VR to prevent abuse and gaslighting: “We haven’t mastered the idea of how we maintain boundaries within virtual and digital and now we’re going to start connecting all of these other systems. So maybe it’s time to start thinking a little bit more deeply.”

With that said, there actually is a VR MMORPG in development. Yoshinori Yamagishi, who formerly produced Star Ocean and Valkyrie Profile, is working on a new title called Monobit VR. You can take a glimpse of this title after the break.

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GiantsBane

Just what we need, more government oversight of private sectors it has no business in.

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ernost

The researchers are calling for government scrutiny of VR to prevent abuse and gaslighting

Lol, they think that the goverernment itself does not do these things?

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possum440 .

These clowns do not get it. The “research” they address is simply grandstanding imaginary scenarios that will never come to pass. if you are so clueless as to not know you are wearing a headset or eyepiece then you deserve anything that happens to you, but again, the research is just garbage and doesn’t cover the actual, real life dangers.

After seeing a post by a soldier that had worked on the system back in the day on the PCG website i did some research into what this person had stated and indeed found out it was all very true.

In fact some actual research, not the kind you read in the article above, but actual health research is being performed and the scientists are already seeing issues. You can google VR headset dangers and modern research regarding eyesight.

A short summary of what I found out.
1. VR was first created for the military way back in the day (1989) to give tours of maintenance facilities and explore naval ships for training purposes.
2. VR was abandoned because of very real health concerns. It wasn’t even shelved or trademarked, it was flatly dropped.
3. Fort Knox had several companies creating VR worlds and headsets and they were displayed at the very famous Armor Center Conferences held there way back then.
4. VR poses a very real threat to your eyesight since your eye will never focus for extended periods of time. Keep in mind this is different from sleep time and what your body does. Gamer’s will wear these things for hours and hours constantly. Saying they wont is being naive.
Further eye damage (could) be caused by Radiative waves of energy, think of it simply as photons constantly bombarding your delicate eyeballs for very extended periods of times on many, many differing wavelengths. There was a ton more of radiation (no not radioactive) wave data but it is far to big to list here. They also listed the distance of the lens to the eye.
5. Headset weight and transitional positioning. Didn’t get alot of what this meant but in a nut shell, you see one thing and your body reacts differently. I cant go into detail here because it talked about muscles, etc. Too long haired for me.

The companies that put these units out will not address the real dangers, nor will they tell you about the long term effects because they haven’t tested them. They simply put a tiny warning not to wear the unit for long periods of time and put in their EULAS that you all click through that you cant sue them for injury due to wearing the devices.

So, have fun.

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Bryan Correll

I’m not one of VR’s converted, but come on now. I don’t think using a Vive is going to be like living in a Philip K. Dick novel.

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Chosenxeno .

Call me paranoid all you want but this is EXACTLY why I chose Vive over Facebook. Why the heck would a social media company be involved in VR? There has to be something sinister behind it. Especially when the Bilderberg was one of Facebook’s biggest backers. You can grimace or mock my mentioning Bilderberg if you want but they are not some faceless “illuminati” group. They are a real thing. You can research them. It’s all fun and games until you wake up surrounded by bodies!(lol a little hyperbole for giggles but no Oculus for me.)

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Oyjord Hansen

I want some of whatever you’re smoking.

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angrakhan

I own an HTC Vive and I can say they really have nothing to worry about any time soon. When you first get the device there’s this excitement the first time you put it on and you’re ‘there’ in some virtual environment. That lasts a few minutes or so… then you start getting wrapped up in the cable or trip on the cat or get distracted by the annoying ‘screen door’ effect from the low-resolution screen inches from your face or the fact that nothing in your lower frame of vision is in focus forcing you to physically move your head down to look down rather than just glance down with your eyes which slowly adds over time to the head/neck fatigue. Then you realize the vast bulk of games are a wasteland of ‘me too’ shovelware wave shooters and VR ‘experiences’ which are more like a short film rather than a game.

At the end you feel rather ho-hum about the whole thing and it ends up collecting dust in the corner. $800 down the drain. I just recently built a new gaming rig a few weeks ago and I haven’t even bothered installing the Steam VR stuff on it because there’s nothing compelling to play.

I’m in no danger of becoming a VR zombie and I doubt anyone else is either. Maybe we can revisit the topic in another 3-4 generations of the hardware.

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Chosenxeno .

I didn’t get the screen door effect and I’m running it on a 4GB 770. I agree that the software needs a major buff. Wave shooter after Wave shooter. I did enjoy the Solus Project. VR still doesn’t have that “login to it every day” Killer App. Fallout 4 might be that game.

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Melissa McDonald

We are in that awkward “early adopter” stage with expensive (but quality) pro options, or rinky-dink consumer options (Cardboard, Daydream).

Gear VR and PSVR are the middle ground and doing great. Price point and platform saturation (Gear VR requires a Samsung handset – fortunately they’ve sold millions. PSVR requires a PlayStation 4 – fortunately they’ve sold millions.) have established those as the best current options for consumers, the ones who can deliver good bang-for-buck.

But that will rapidly change, even this year. HP, Dell, Lenovo, Acer are all creating VR / MR (Windows Holographic supporting) visors for Windows 10 this year in a partnership with Microsoft. It’s really worth waiting to see those. All 4 (and more coming) will be somewhat different with form factor, feature, and price point. All 4 are claiming middle-ground pricing, far less than the pricey Rift and Vive.

And HTC is making their own middle ground, something better than Gear VR, but a little less than the Vive. And it’s wireless. And Intel has shown off their completely wireless visor that not only maps the room, but your hands/arms into the VR space for better immersion/touch.

It’s snowballing at an incredible rate now on the hardware fronts. You’ll soon have one at a price you like, with the content you find compelling. Soon can take a couple years. But that’s also a blink of the eye. Great times ahead :)

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Bannex

I wish I could go to these kind of “we know what’s best for you” conferences and just let out a huge obnoxious fucking yawn.

If anything movies are and always will be far more detrimental but nobody, especially in California, will ever back the notion that watching real humans commit horrendous acts with shocking realism even though fake has a far greater impact on the brain than any video game.

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Arktouros

Uh, there’s a VR MMO in development, it’s actually covered multiple times now as well…lol

http://massivelyop.com/tag/orbusvr/

I dunno too much about the dangers of VR. I actually own the technology and without extreme modification I can’t really see people being too worried. I will say that after wearing it for long periods of time (IE: 4-6 hours) you can be mildly disoriented with your perception of objects (IE: Distance of an object, volume of an object, etc) but it’s not like it somehow triggers you into questioning your reality.

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Melissa McDonald

Don’t forget Vanishing realms :)

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Arktouros

Yea…Cartoon Skeletons aren’t high up there on the things that make me question my reality haha.

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TherecDaMage .

Hey our kids are going to become braindead zombies that live in the VR worlds and never go to school, sleep or eat. They’re just thinking of the children!

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Melissa McDonald

See, it’s witch-hunt handwringing like this that I consider prime evidence that VR is entering the mainstream consciousness.

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TherecDaMage .

Good, more audience to expand and iterate. Maybe this will have a Streisand effect and more people will say “is VR really that far along that we have to worry about this ?” Then they see the awesome stuff and buy a Oculus, Vive or PSVR.

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Serrenity

I appreciate consideration when looking at new technology. But this strikes a little bit too much of Jack Thompson-esque to me … or Leland Yee or any of the D&D hysteria, or Violent Video Game hysteria. It all seems a little pearl-clutchy at this point to me.

VR is a tool, and I don’t think is (in its current form) inherently any more or less dangerous than any other tool. I think if we ever get to VR-as-indistinguishable-from-meatspace we’ll have a different discussion, but really we aren’t there yet.

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styopa

Yes, because everything is better with government involvement – says the team from California, the greatest home of interventionist nanny-state governmentalism after the District of Columbia….

And sorry, I know it’s a super-cool (not) new word that everyone is trying to shoehorn into as many conversations as possible, but how in the heck does ‘gaslighting’ even APPLY here?
Gaslighting is tricking someone into doubting their own sanity.
If anything in VR makes you doubt your SANITY maybe you should …just take the goggles off?

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Bannex

Quit it with the real talk! Too much reasoning is uncomfortable

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TheDonDude

Personally I’m more worried that Sherlock villains are going to become sentient and take over the ship.

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Nordavind

TNG :D

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A Dad Supreme

I think the biggest, scariest danger about VR is investing in the wrong system.

You don’t want to end up with a Betamax when everyone else goes VHS.

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Arktouros

All the systems currently are Betamax.

If you want a VHS or DVD you’ll need to wait around 2-3 years for the 2nd or even 3rd generation of headsets.

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David Dwyer

exactly =)

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TherecDaMage .

Yeah I can see that, frankly Sony needs to include it’s 2nd gen VR system in with the next console gen to really push the market. I’m seeing 1 million units of the PSVR sold, but that’s not enough for AAA developers to make a serious push.

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TherecDaMage .

So right now that would be Oculus Rift owners?

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Witches

Exactly what would governments scrutinize?

They would have to hire experts to do the scrutinizing on their behalf since they don’t know the first thing about technology, usually they hire interested parts, that decide in their biased best interest and then benefit from absurd legislation, until public outcry forces changes.

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RJB

It’s reasoning like this which is what is causing us to lose net neutrality as it is the whole ” wanting to stiffle inovation by having the goverment involved leave it ALLLLLONE

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deekay_plus

isn’t net neutrality classic government regulation and oversight of private industry? the corporations (ISPs) want to charge money on both ends and the government is stepping in and regulating the market.

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RJB

There was something else about it in one of the Phillip Defranco show over the last 2 weeks that there was more to it then that

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deekay_plus

>gets news from a youtuber.

also net neutrality rules are still in effect. FYI.

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RJB

you can hate all you want but he’s the only logical non biased person on there so it’s more legit then most mainstream sites that tell a catered biased story gg. Also i said why we are losing it not that we had lost it yet try reading thx, it has to be signed by Trump and as stupid as he is it’s 100% sure he’s gonna sign it

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deekay_plus

you know he’s owned by the discovery channel right?

and if philip defranco is telling you net neutrality is already dead then it’s fake news.

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RJB

lmao you love reading stuff that isn’t there don’t you you are grabbing words out of thin air im done explaining this to a biased ignorant

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deekay_plus

also nice ninja edits. kind of rude bro.

ftr theres some vague fears that trump admin the GOP dominated congress may deregulate net neutrality doctrine but there’s yet to be any real movement towards that by anyone involved.

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wratts

FWIW, one of my old friends was part of the Trump FCC transition (Roslyn Layton, known her since we were 20), and she’s published several papers recommending the termination of net neut rules. She won’t give me much behind the scenes, but I do know that they’re actively drawing plans for implementation that all indications are will dramatically reduce government oversight enforcing carrier neutrality. I’d expect to see something signed in the next 6 months at most

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deekay_plus

didn;t say the fears were unreasonable. but this guy had some strange claims and perceptions going on. which maybe his english didn’t help. but then neither did the ninja edits to his posts.

also has to pass congress, which iirc the last attempt to legislate away bnet neut rules failed an already GOP dominated congress. so yeah.

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deekay_plus

i’m not citing a corporate owned youtuber as my source for why i am under the incorrect belief that net neutrality is dead or the opposite of government regulation.

like i said net neutrality is literally the epitomy of government regulation of a market. and it’s still in effect.

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Melissa McDonald

Come senators, congressmen, Please heed the call
Don’t stand in the doorway, Don’t block up the hall
For he that gets hurt Will be he who has stalled
There’s the battle outside raging
It’ll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changing
Come mothers and fathers, Throughout the land
And don’t criticize What you can’t understand
Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly aging
Please get out of the new one if you can’t lend your hand
Cause the times they are a-changing

-Bob Dylan

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A Dad Supreme

Just had a chill from “The Watchmen” shiver through me.

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