Elder Scrolls Online community grumbles over Morrowind class nerfs and the impending Warden takeover

Elder Scrolls Online: Morrowind has a lot of casual players, former players, and future players excited for its launch in June. But what about existing hardcores? And in particular, what about people who’ve taken a peek into the beta and believe the existing classes, especially the Templar, will be totally overshadowed by the brand-new Warden class? The outcry has grown fierce. YouTuber Deltia even has a video where he straddles the line between funny and serious by hauling a shovel out to his yard to dig a grave and conduct a mock funeral for his Templar.

ZeniMax addressed the concerns in a forum post last night.

“[O]ne of the main concerns we want to address is the worry that we’re nerfing Templars in order to make the Warden a stronger healing class, particularly by nerfing Major Mending and giving it to Wardens. We’ve made it so all classes have to meet conditional requirements to gain Major Mending. DK’s need to have their damage shields up, Wardens have to heal low health targets, and Resto Staff users have to complete a fully charged heavy attack. It’s also worth noting that we’re planning on adjusting the Warden passive, Accelerated Growth, because it’s currently too easy to keep it active for long periods of time.

“If you’re worried that there’s no reason to play a Templar over a Warden, or any other class, keep in mind that Templars have a stronger single target burst heal that’s easier to aim (Rushed Ceremony), they have a faster healing spammable ability with Healing Ritual, and their Ultimate heal hits targets in a 28m radius instead of 8 meters. In addition, have also have a free heal with Repentance, can cleanse allies with the Cleansing Ritual synergy and can remove 5 effects from themselves. Rushed Ceremony is also still the strongest heal in ESO, so Templars still have a lot going for them.”

So maybe put down the shovels… for now… and read up on some Warden lore instead.

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Mr. Grey

The sad thing is that all the cries of “P2W!!!” have resulted in the Warden being mediocre at best.

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Jokerchyld

Jesus. Some of these gamers need a hug. No longer can you not like something and just do something else. Now you have to shit on the developer, verbally abuse the game and rage quit in epic dramatic flair letting the rest of the community know you are leaving.

Whats the point?

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Celestia

I’m going to “glass half full” this one and say that it bodes well for ESO that they have such a passionate and emotionally invested player base.

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Wendigo Runner

I love how the whole Morrowind thing is blowing up since it’s the first game that I’ve pre-ordered in years and I can’t cancel it since I ordered directly through ZOS. It’s so very poetic.

Never, ever pre-order a game. I knew this, I stuck to it for a long time. Then when I finally break it? The shtink hits the fan.

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Rottenrotny

Also the Warden apparently brings some king of stat buff that no other class has. So basically any serious support/healer player will feel forced to roll Warden.
The outcry behind this is that people are screaming P2W.

As it is ESO is extremely convoluted and unbalanced, class/skills/gear/CP. There are so many variations that it’s got to be impossible to balance it all.

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Daniel Reasor

Feel entirely free to name this new stat buff and what it does, since you’re literally the first person I’ve ever heard mention it.

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Rottenrotny

Minor Int and Minor End according to Delia. The wording makes it sound like a buff only for the Warden, not a group buff?

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Daniel Reasor

I want to thank you for clarifying the complaints that you’ve been seeing.

On the live server build, Templars have permanent Minor Intellect and Minor Endurance if they have Restoring Aura or any of its morphs slotted, Nightblades have Minor Endurance on demand if they use Relentless Focus, Sorcerors can buff themselves and nearby allies with Minor Intellect if they use Empowered Ward, and anyone can grant themselves and nearby allies Minor Endurance through the Fighters Guild ability, Circle of Protection, and any of its morphs. (Source: ESO Academy’s “Buffs and Debuffs” page.)

Now, I’m admittedly not on the PTS, but I’m looking at the PTS patch notes that were posted on the 17th, and I’m not seeing the part where any of these go away, even in a context where the developers are aware that sustain has grown out of hand and they’re dialing it back in general so that people actually use light and heavy attacks again.

Looking at Deltia’s Twitter feed, I’m seeing him holding a mock funeral for the Templar class on the 18th, and earlier today he posted a ragequit video about how he’s “moving on from Elder Scrolls Online.” I don’t know Deltia personally, but I don’t expect those videos to stay up once he calms down and gets back to playing.

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theblackmage75

If I understand properly, Minor Intellect and Minor Endurance are seemingly being taken away from the classes that have it. Probably to address the issues with unlimited resources that Zenimax has identified. But Warden still has access to it? And the main gripe for Templars is losing Major Mending, which helps greatly with healing; something many players believe will make Templars an inferior healer compared to Wardens.

But without playing the changes on PTS it’s hard to say if Templars really are boned. Also, to be fair, it kind of sucked that you *had* to be a Templar to be the best at healing in ESO. I’d hate for that role to be tossed on Warden but a move towards making healing more even across the board would be favorable to me (and my sorc main).

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Rottenrotny

Yeah I don’t subscribe to the theory that the sky is falling and ZOS is forcing people to buy Morrowind and get P2W access to the Warden, but I’m sure it’s entirely possible.

Also, traditionally, newly introduced classes are almost always at least a little OP.
In the end I don’t really care either way because:
A) I hate pet classes
B) I don’t want to reroll and go collect 9999 skyshards AGAIN

I’m sure I’ll fiddle around with a Warden at some point, but my DK is the only character I have with champion levels so I’ll stick with that.

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ogged451

My main concern is the ESO patcher. As I’m using ESO in an attempt to build dizzyness resistance for SWL, I started playing again, for about two weeks now. Today the stupid patcher produced an error 11 and the repair wants to download 37GB. U+1F595 you patcher !

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Daniel Reasor

What I get out of this is that the developers are pointing out that Templar healers actually have a pretty broad and diverse toolkit, and would benefit from learning how to use the right tool for the right situation, while forum and Reddit whineboys are screaming that having to use more than one all-purpose heal button will make them feel less 1337. Is that about the size of it?

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Chris Rosenau

So glad the templar is getting nerfed. Just check out this video:

youtube.com/watch?v=HMJlAmPo9WE

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draugris

A DK surviving a 4vs1 is complaining about another class, lol.

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draugris

Well a lot of the changes in my opinion are good. The changes to the champion system, the changes to the resource pools and their management etc. Regarding the complaints about class changes, some are imo justified but some are simply stupid. Saying that the change to rushed ceremony is a nerf is simply exaggeration. Now you have to position yourself, ok, tbh. not a big deal.

Regarding the response from zos about templar vs. warden that really pisses me off because it shows that zos don´t seem to understand the problem at all. 100% uptime of major mending on the templar was too strong, no doubt about that. But what they did is they removed it from the class completely. The warden instead has major mending, not 100% of the time but he has it when he needs it and he has not to do anything special to get it,just heal as you would normaly do.

The point they mentioned with the resto staff is pointless. First of all, everybody can take a resto staff, this has nothing to do with templars and second to get major mending with the resto i have to interrupt healing to do a heavy attack, to get the buff for 3 seconds. So i have to predict a lot in fights, the warden don´t have to predict at all.

Last but not least and i can´t believe they did not say a word about it. The warden gets a buff through a passive that no other class has, minor toughness, which increases the health of the ally for 10% and you simply give somebody that buff through normal healing. So he has major mending, minor endurance and minor toughness.

So will the templar be useless as a healer,i don´t think so but you will have a hell lot of an easier time with the warden.

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Koshelkin

Could you desribe the changes to the champion system for someone who’s not as actively following the current development of ESO?

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Daniel Reasor

The passive bonuses from investing Champion Points will be front-loaded, with diminishing returns. This is meant to serve two purposes, toning down the power disparity between CP*600 toons and CP*10, and allowing players to feel a little more free to spread their points around more than they do now.

The CP passives that reduce Magicka and Stamina ability cost are being replaced with something else, as part of a larger effort to make resource management matter as much as it does in the single player Elder Scrolls games.

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Dug From The Earth

They could have just given major mending for 6 seconds, with a 15 second cooldown for standing in your own circle.

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theblackmage75

I’m leery of some of these changes. Hope I can jump onto the PTS to test them out soon. However, I have two feelings at present. First, for most casual players–that is, most of the playerbase–the changes won’t be nearly as disruptive for them as for those hardcore and longtime vets who look to squeeze every dram of performance out of the classes they play.

Second, devs have a thankless job when it comes to delivering on new content or updating that which already exists: fix anything, change anything, add anything, replace anything, keep anything the same, and you’re guaranteed to get pitchforks and torches thrust at you from some vocal element of your fandom. And releasing new expansions or dlc only exacerbates the problem as money enters the equation.

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Denice J. Cook

Yeah, and putting the Warden behind a cash-only paywall has got to be at least subliminally affecting Zenimax’s judgement about how OP that class will be at launch.