Ashes of Creation’s Kickstarter is live, seeking $750,000 to bolster the ‘rebirth of the MMORPG’

“If necessary, I have made some very good friends in my previous business endeavors who are dying to invest.” -Steven Sharif, Massively OP interview, May 2017
As promised, Ashes of Creation’s Kickstarter has just gone live — Intrepid Studios is seeking $750,000, and it’s already racked up $190,000 of that as I type this. Unlike most games that claim the MMO moniker these days, AoC is all about the massive, thanks in no small part to the MMORPG pedigrees of its team, with an emphasis on player-governed territory, economy, world building, and consequential PvP.

Ashes of Creation is a new MMORPG that aims to bring the Massive back to Massively Multiplayer,” declares the Kickstarter preamble. “It takes everything we love about the genre and brings it boldly into the future as a truly next generation title. We’ve all wanted a world that lives and breathes and reacts, where our decisions matter, where the world changes because of what we’ve done. Ashes of Creation is that game: The rebirth of the MMORPG.”

Here’s something we rarely see: a promise to refund in case the whole project goes belly-up. “And finally, in the case that Ashes of Creation does NOT launch, we promise to refund all backers in full.”

Check out the full Kickstarter below, and don’t miss our brand-new interview with Intrepid Studios CEO Steven Sharif on the state of the game as it pitches itself to the Kickstarter crowd.

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MesaSage

825K in less than 24 hours. Impressive, but not swaying my opinion.

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vinicitur

I have to say that I’m actually surprised this funded so quickly. Not that I think it’s not a good project but with all the delays we have seen in the last 2 years I thought gamers were burned out on kickstarter.

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Lethality

What delays? Game development takes time, and players aren’t used to seeing it from day 1.

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vinicitur

Well Camelot unchained for one. We are now well over 1 year late for the beta. Not complaining about CU. Just using them as an example.

To be clear though I was talking about previous kickstarters not Ashes of creation when talking about delays.

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Pedge Jameson

1:51 Who let Doctor Who tenth companion Wilfred Mott in as a dev?

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SeedEve

Congratulations to Intrepid for hitting the $750,000 mark in 11 hours.

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Wendigo Runner

It’s over its goal as of the time of this post. $751,088 (above their $750,000 goal).

Is this a record?

edit: and still climbing. :-O

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Solaris

$737k at 8:30 PDT. Hot damn. Going to fund in under 24 hours.

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Dean Greenhoe

Looks interesting, will give them a shot. May come down to the UI and combat as to my length of stay.

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SeedEve

They already hit $712,000 + looks like a win for Intrepid.

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oldandgrumpy

Couldn’t even work out if it was a PvP or PVE MMO from the kickstarter page.

I wish them good luck but won’t back ex Sony developers until I see an actual finished product.

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socontrariwise

As they say in the video, it is PvP with flagging, so you choose if you want to be involved by choosing your flag.

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Eamil

More specifically, a flagged player can attack an unflagged player, but KILLING an unflagged player results in an outlaw flag that comes with heavy penalties that increase the more unflagged players you kill, AND makes it so that unflagged players can attack you without being flagged.

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Ashfyn Ninegold

Already $650,000 +

I’ll be surprised if they don’t meet their goal today.

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MeltWithYou

yea its going to smash its goal

$645,837

pretty stoked about this one

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smuggler-in-a-yt

Putting all the rest aside for a moment, this made me sigh: “Your grudges, your wars, your peace are real things, created by you, and the history of conflict is the history of the players. ”

Peace is a tenuous, precious thing. You fight harder not to fight than you ever do while tearing shit down. Entropy is the easiest path in all creation: decay is the natural state of things. So when Peace does happen, it should be lauded, celebrated, richly rewarded, jealously defended, and patriotically preserved. It did not come easily.

More to the point, unless there is going to be serious asymmetry in technology (or at least the possibility of serious asymmetry), all you’ll have is warfare. History shows that trend pretty clearly.

Other than that, I dig the idea of participating in a real digital community. I just happened to watch Cloud Atlas last night, though, and recall what happened to Zachry’s village at the end. Two people, evenly matched, will rarely come to compromise.

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silverlock

Peace does have value in this game, for example if your at war or just generally hostile to a neighboring node then you can’t establish valuable trade routes with them.

Nodes that work together can get a head start over nodes that don’t.

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Oyjord Hansen

I kicked in for the $125 pledge. It’s enough I can afford to lose, enough to feel like I’m helping out a dev team, and enough perks to feel worth it.

Time will tell.

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Jacobin GW

The hype seems be entirely based on the graphics because they sure are light on details. Its not even clear if this is a pvp or pve game or if it is based on horizontal progression.

Nodes is nothing new. It all sounds sort of like Darkfall just without any emphasis on hardcore pvp.

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Dug From The Earth

They have been releasing details for the past several months.
Check out the vids here
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfbi2EvzQmIJ55TJvZumNZw/videos

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Dug From The Earth

I see that backing the game grants free month(s) of game time.

Does that mean this game is going to be subscription based?

If so, is there an initial cost for the game outside of the monthly sub?

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Ashfyn Ninegold

FAQ says no box cost. Subscription only. Microtrans for cosmetics.

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silverlock

No box cost just a sub.

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Wendigo Runner

I don’t recall off hand if it has an initial cost, but it is a sub mmo.

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Reht

was wondering that myself – none of the KS tiers list a copy of the game. Register at their site for more info

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ozzie

Looks pretty cool, but probably loooong time before it comes out. Not a big fan of the many-tiered alpha/beta access…I know it’s common practice but you’d have to pay big bucks to access the game in a reasonable amount of time. I’d rather see less tiers and players more lumped together without the ridiculous “$425, earliest access to Ashes!” tier.

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socontrariwise

As they state they have the core features in place and they anticipate alpha starting end of the year. And if you watch the videos they have released it looks already very polished.

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Orenj

I’m gonna be That Person and point out that their “team” is 12 dudes and one woman, the latter as community manager of course. That’s already one big box they’re thinking firmly inside.

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gaysmutwriter

Just when I think the comments section on this site couldn’t get any snarkier or more bitter. Christ.

If you want to be bitter about MMOs and pick fights about it like a bunch of people around here seem to do on a regular basis, be my guest. Just don’t start pulling a bunch of sociology 101 gender politics shit out of a hat and claim an indie studio in a field that you know has a gender imbalance because of issues that are likely out of their control is some kind of monster because of it. Take that back to Tumblr and have a bitchfest about it there.

And if you didn’t want to be “That Person,” you wouldn’t have chimed in with your ridiculous accusations in the first place. Don’t be coy when you know exactly what you’re doing.

No one is simply OK with just shitting all over indie devs for at least TRYING to revitalize this bloated corpse of a genre. We now have to add politics to the mix and demonize them for anything we can possibly pick on them about.

This collective community needs to wake up and stop acting like a bunch of spoiled children.

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Orenj

I didn’t want to be “that person” because I’m lazy and hate having to deal with the tiring pushback. I do think it’s important that *someone* be “that person”.

You want “this bloated corpse of a genre” revitalized? You’re never going to get a game that’s not just more of the same catering to aggressive 14yo white males if you keep *exclusively* hiring people who were once (often not that long ago!) aggressive 14yo white males.

Yes, from what I hear there’s a dearth of talent that doesn’t fit that description in the industry. Unless you start hiring differently, maybe from *outside* the industry (gasp!) the problem is going to continue to perpetuate itself. I’d say indie devs are in the *best* position to do that; taking chances is what makes them indie.

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Erhan Altay

There aren’t enough charity-hire female devs to go around. The big companies risk lawsuits if they don’t fill their minority quotas. What are smaller studios supposed to do?

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Pedge Jameson

Sausage party usually means alot of PVP and less on RP and immersion. I wouldn’t be suprised if they try to push esports.

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gaysmutwriter

[Citation Needed]

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Pedge Jameson

Well I guess that went over well. :P

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Oleg Chebeneev

Looks like a project worth supporting

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Zander

The ‘bang for the buck’ pledge package I want is already sold out, day 1… :(

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ceder

Nope. Get officially launched, then 3 months after that if they’re still doing alright then I might consider it. But currently the “we’ll refund everyone” and the housing implementation are sketchy. Also the speed with which they’ve gotten a significant portion of their funding on the KS in such a short span of time to start seems a bit suspicious.

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Pedge Jameson

That’s how I feel, let me see someone in the game running around, like I don’t know, killing stuff???

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Lethality

If you’re going to put your money into a Kickstarter this year, this should be the one. Solid plan, solid execution, solid funding, solid team.

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Sally Bowls

Good luck to them. They seem to have done a good job on their KS. Which bodes well for the future.

As always, when I see another well done KS campaign (which includes MOP) there is the moment of puzzlement as to how Smed could have done such a less-than-impressive KS campaign.

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Michael18

Love to see a new project above the size of some small indie undertaking that truly embraces the term and notion of MMORPG.

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Sally Bowls

I had the usual reactions until I got to

Here’s something we rarely see: a promise to refund in case the whole project goes belly-up. “And finally, in the case that Ashes of Creation does NOT launch, we promise to refund all backers in full.”

This is extremely confusing. So people give them TBD$. If they spend the money on development, then if it comes time to refund, where is that money going to come from – it’s been spent? If they don’t spend the money, it stays in escrow, then the crowdfunding was not about funding the game, but just allowing them to get some free sales and promotion.

What if Bree had said that if MOP shuts down withing seven years (Heaven forfend!!!) , we backers get a refund. If she keeps the $75K in a reserve account, we did not financially help with getting the business starting. And if MOP does shut down, then won’t the $75K have been spent in ongoing operations trying to avert that?

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socontrariwise

Sharif has a lot of money personally. He has stated he can fund the entire project and has friends/business contacts who would happily buy in – but if he does not have to do it all himself he is happy not to and Kickstarter is to speed development further up.
He is indeed possible very well off if you look into his background.

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Jacobin GW

Key word is ‘launch’ not ‘finished’ or ‘good’. Games can also stay in ‘early access’ for eternity.

It just a line to get people to subsidize a private investment.

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Lethality

It’s already entirely privately funded. They have some money behind them to do this.

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Jacobin GW

Yeah if the game fails they can pay off the investor with the KS money and stick the players with the bill.

Players subsidizing private investors is very shady.

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Lethality

They wil refund everyone if the game doesn’t launch.

NOW WHAT?

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Sally Bowls

Where will the money come from to refund if it does not launch.

Say the company has X non-KS dollars and they get K dollars from Kickstarter.

How much money does the company spend on development?

1) If they spend X on development, then where does the money to refund the K dollars come from.

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Jacobin GW

Just like SOE…

And newsflash, a game can launch and be terrible. Story of the genre actually. Either way the investor makes a return and assumes no risk.

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Lethality

SOE never said that. Stop deflecting the facts.

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Jacobin GW

Great game – private investor gets paid, players happy
Crappy game – private investor gets paid, players unhappy

Who has the least downside in the above scenario?

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Sally Bowls

So why Kickstarter? If you don’t use the KS money, then it does not expand the scope of the game. If you do use the KS money, then it won’t be there to give out as refunds.

If you have enough money, why KS?

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Jacobin GW

Cash in on whale hype and show private investors that they will be paid regardless of how good the game is.

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Lethality

Expand the scope, make it bigger, make it faster maybe. He says it right in the video.

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Sally Bowls

NO! You can expand the scope (i.e. what KS is almost always about) or you can be assured that you will have enough money to repay the pledges.

You can already have sufficient money to make the game and won’t use the KS money – the KS$ is about PR but not incremental scope and development.

But there is no way that you can say we are going to take in money, spend said money for incremental work, but if the project fails, they are going to unspend the money and give refunds.

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Ashfyn Ninegold

That is what your second mortgage is for–to repay KS backers.

Seriously, because you can’t imagine where they would get the money, doesn’t mean they can’t get it—from team member guarantees, from loans, from selling their assets,—to repay backers.

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Lethality

Do some research into Steven Sharif.

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Orenj

If you’re going to say something you should just come out and say it. Is your objection:

* that’s he’s gay and married to the CFO? My take: who cares, good for them, I applaud this small amount of diversity in their wall o’ white dudes.
* that he seems to have been involved in some MLM scheme called XanGo? Ok, huge red flag there, I agree. But again, why not just come out and say that then?

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socontrariwise

Why would XanGo or MLM be a red flag? XanGo is mainly a juice company, they do sell a product and are quite international doing so. And MLM if not done excessive in levels is legal and legitimate? Amgen or Tupperware are MLM systems too …
Would you call those red flags?
He tries to introduce MLM into the Ashes of Creation business too by rewarding player for each dollar a referral spends – that is MLM and quite common nowadays for MMO’s. Nothing red flag there either.

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Leiloni

It’s not MLM. There are no levels. Just the one – you give your friend your link, your friend uses the link and later spends money on the game, you get a portion of that in return. It ends there, just with you and your friend. If you friend gives his code to a few people who use it and spend money, you don’t get any of that. Zero. This MLM talk needs to stop. I see it everywhere and there’s no basis for it.

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Jeremy Barnes

my only guess is that it’s being used to show interest. Camelot Unchained did something similar, I believe. They used kickstarter to show interest and used that to help secure private funding. Easier to do if you have $700k in “backers” and all you have to do is “launch” with no promises on what “launching” entails *cough* no man’s sky*cough*

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Reht

CU wasn’t entirely funded ahead of time – it was self funded up to that point, Jacobs said he would put in $2 million of his own money plus $1 million from investors if the KS funded.

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Veldan

The only thing I can think of is that the kickstarter, and crowdfunding overall, is just part of the total funding, and that if things go terribly wrong, they can probably manage to return the relatively small bit of money that came from individual backers.

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Solaris

Smed did exactly that with Heros Song.

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Sally Bowls

In that case, what value did the KS provide? If the company has enough money that, after the project failing, they still have enough left to refund all the KS money, then what was the KS money used for? What did it accomplish?

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George

As it happened in the past (Kindom Come Deliverance I think it was), you don’t necessarily kickstart the money you need to develop a game, you kickstart the money you need to demonstrate to investors that you have a player base which is willingly paying for the product.

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thickenergy

Logic of it aside, a promise from strangers that want your money is one of the worst things I can think of to base a decision upon.

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Veldan

Looks like a great project. I’m not surprised by the fast pace at which the kickstarter is progressing, I’ve been hanging out in their discord channel and there’s more people than in any other discord I’ve been in. Like, thousands of people.

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Reht

They definitely seem to have done something right with their KS, maybe it’s all of the lifetime sub tiers really helping out. Sign up through the referral program

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Solaris

Past 50% mark just hours in. Good Tier makeup. Fantastic progress already. This dev team went to Kickstarter prepared and it’s going to pay off. Backer#2!

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socontrariwise

They made their money in marketing. ;)

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Jeremy Barnes

They lost me at “Rebirth of the MMORPG” as no one making that claim has ever offered anything of the sort.

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Sally Bowls

Yeah, they lost me at “Rebirth of the MMORPG.” My reaction to rebirth of MMOs would be the same as to rebirth of cars or cellphones or PC operating systems. The people may be sincere, passionate and competent (hope so!). Rebirth or at least new ideas would be appreciated. Yet my skepticism is that rebirthing entrenched, multibillion dollar industries tends to be expensive.

It could come from a tiny company, but that is not the way I would bet.

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Koshelkin

Elaborate scam.

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Greaterdivinity

Damnit, why’d they have to choose a name with the same acronym as Age of Conan! I mean, granted we can probably largely forget about Conan since it’s in maintenance mode, but that’s going to get real confusing for me -_-

Good luck to them, $325k+ (probably higher by the end of the day) on day one so it looks like they’re off to a solid start. Even with the first day dropoff, it’s looking like they’ve got a pretty solid chance of hitting/passing their goal.

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Wanda Clamshuckr

This sounds eerily familiar..

We’ve all wanted a world that lives and breathes and reacts, where our decisions matter, where the world changes because of what we’ve done.

Ohhh, now I remember where I bought into that:

When you play an RPG, you want to experience a compelling and memorable storyline. You want your choices to matter. You want your actions to leave their mark on the world.

Like most Kickstarter games, I’ll wait and see how the sales pitch pans out at launch. Or, Early Access.

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Alex Hyer

Looks like its going to make it goal. I’m personaly done with Kickstarter, but, I think looks like a good game.

I’ll buy it in 5+ years when its done.

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MesaSage

Best of luck to them, and to you, backers.

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Wendigo Runner

When I first loaded the page it was at 288K. I refreshed and it was at 300k. Refreshed again and it’s at 310k. So what I’m saying is that if you want one of the Early Bird specials then get it quickly.

As I yped this it reached 312k.

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George

428k one hour after…

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socontrariwise

Looking good, already at $300,000 and not even remotely slowing down. :)

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squidgod2000

Don’t pay for promises.

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Veldan

So basically you’re saying “don’t crowdfund”

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squidgod2000

Yep.

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Serrenity

I would back — but man … December 2018? So realistically either late 2019 or 2020 for a delivery date. I just don’t want to wait that long to get my hands on anything. I’m really positive about the game, just don’t want to throw more money at a game I won’t see for years yet.

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Armsman

Funny I didn’t know the MMORPG genre was dead or needed a ‘rebirth’. Sounds like a marketing pitch that’s destined for disappointment if/when the game is completed/launched. We’ll see.

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Zander

It’s always nice to see Armsman bashing other games aside Star Citizen :)

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Armsman

It’s always nice to see Armsman bashing other games aside Star Citizen :)

FWIW – as someone who beta-tested EQ and SWG back in the day (Played EQ until about 2003; and as for SWG: I’ll never understand why people loved SWG myself as it certainly was more like ‘crafters/dancers online’ at launch) – I’ve never had respect for any former SOE developers myself. YMMV.

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SeedEve

With all the crap that have been thrown at us branded as MMORPG during the last 10 years,the genre does indeed need a rebirth.

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Brother Maynard

The MMORPG genre is full of zombie games. Including the biggest one, WoW. Any studio aiming for originality and new elements, as opposed to the usual gear treadmill or FFA PvP ‘survival game’, is more than welcome.

Also: “Ashes of Creation” -> phoenix -> rebirth and all that stuff are not that hard to put together…

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Skai R

Already at 215k, should eclipse what they’re looking for easily.

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Paragon Lost

Two hours later and they’re over 400k. :)

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