The Daily Grind: Which MMO deserves a second chance from you?

Sometimes we are not very fair to MMOs when we try them for the first time.

Maybe we’re not in a good mood or don’t really want to take the time to learn new systems. Perhaps some petty slight turned us off, or we failed to make a connection in the first 10 minutes. It could even have been that there was too much else on our plates, so our hearts were not into it.

There have been several times in my gaming career where I gave a less-than-fair attempt to try a new MMO and, unsurprisingly, it failed to stick. Yet when I came back later on, perhaps when the game improved, it clicked with me and I was happy that I made the decision to give it a second chance.

Which MMO deserves a second chance from you? What titles have you been keeping in the back of your mind when you think of games that you really should try again at some point?

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Alex Malone

If I give a game a chance, I give it a proper chance so I can experience everything I need to. So, for me, that means none of them deserve a second chance – I’ve already experienced everything I needed to. I do follow games I’ve played to see if they ever fix the problems that drove me away in the first place but to date that has never happened. Like, literally never.

A better question for me is “which games should I have given a first chance?” After becoming jaded with the genre, I can up with a small but strict criteria for choosing MMOs and in 5 years, none have met that criteria. However, it is theoretically possible that a game has enough other good features for me to be able to overlook fundamental flaws.

For example, I never played GW2. Having done my research, the combat system looked like crap and far too shallow for my liking so it missed my criteria. However, it’s possible that GW2 had some other features that would be allowed me to overlook the shallow combat.

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mistressbrazen

I did not give Star Trek Online a really good try. I wanted to…. but I didn’t. Something about flying that ship just didn’t do it for me. And of course, the perpetual, “I’m going to start playing that again” title, SWTOR.

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nobleeinherjar

I’m always tempted to give MMOs second chances. And a third. .. and a fourth. .. and sometimes a fifth ..
For example, lately I’ve been sorely tempted to check out Guild Wars 2 again even though I know there’s nothing there for me. It’s a game that, for some reason, I really want to love but can only barely bring myself to like it. And I’ve been meaning to hop back into ESO ever since player housing was introduced, but I’ve yet to do it. Sometimes the Star Wars fan in me wants to return to SWTOR, but I can usually cure that just by reading whatever news is current about it.
I don’t know if any MMO really “deserves” a second chance, but if two MMOs really counted in terms of me giving them a true second chance, they’d be WoW and EQ2. The first time I played both MMOs, I barely played them at all and quit. But the next time I returned to both games, I stayed for many years.

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Dro Gul

A game called FIRETEAM by a company called Multitude. The game was WAY ahead of it’s time as it was truly E-Sports before there was such a thing. It had a variety of game modes, stat tracking and fully integrated voice communications. Absolutely amazing for a game released in the 90’s
https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/fireteam-review/1900-2536042/
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131823/postmortem_multitudes_fireteam.php

It would be cool to see a Game Archaeologist article dig into this lost gem.

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Little Bugbear

TSW (SWL), ESO.

I loved TSW story but the combat was rough. So I hope SWL combat will pull me in so I can enjoy my experience in the world. ESO didn’t feel like a complete game at launch to me, but from what I’ve read ESO is coming into its own.

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Malcolm Swoboda

ESO, GW2, TSW.

One day maybe SWTOR, depending on its direction through 2017-2018. So far I sometimes return for a bit, but the game doesn’t *really* deserve it.

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thalendor

I’m currently giving ESO it’s third or fourth attempt. Maybe this time it will pull me in. Any other MMO I wouldn’t give this many tries, but I’ve been a fan of the TES series since the first game so I really want to like ESO too.

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thirtymil

I have the opposite problem – I give games more second chances than I should. It’s not that the games are bad, it’s just that they don’t work for me – but I want them to work for me, so I give them a second chance, and a third, and a fourth…

Age of Conan, LotRO, Black Desert, Star Trek, EVE, Neverwinter, Blade & Soul, Aion, Tera, Rift, Wildstar and The Secret World have all earned second or more looks from me only for it to end again shortly after.

There are only three MMOs I can think of that didn’t get a second shot from me – City of Heroes, Tabula Rasa and Auto Assault. That’s because they killed them all before I could.

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pixelm0nster

Tabula Rasa! Definitely one I wanted to give a second shot

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Aralith

I want to give Black Desert another try.

The only thing approaching a criticism I recall is feeling overwhelmed by various systems. I felt like what I imagine many feel like trying to drop into a game that has been out for a while. The argument that there is too much to do seems a little silly.

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Pandalulz

I feel like there’s a lot I didn’t give the time, where I saw it, it looked shiny, I downloaded it, and then played for what, two hours, not even long enough to decide whether it was ok or not, barely long enough to even get the graphics settings correct. But that’s me anymore, I have poor impulse control, that gets me to download a thing, and then delete it minutes later. Thank goodness I have no data cap. I do feel like I’d like to go back and see some of the more story oriented games like FFXIV, SWTOR, TSW, ESO, just for the story aspect, but eh… who has the time.

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Pandalulz

I think something I’ve had to work out for myself this year is to just let it go. I guess I have a little FOMO when it comes to games, and so I have a huge backlog and I’m not sure I even enjoy games in general anymore, MMOs in particular, but maybe it doesn’t stop there. But then I’d have to get a real hobby, or read more… and bleh, don’t want to do that.

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thirtymil

There’s a lot to be said for stepping away until you’re bored and then seeing what your brain gets excited about playing. I had a similar problem with being dragged down with dailies across two games earlier this year – I dropped both for a few days, and realised the problem was that one of them just wasn’t fun anymore. That one went and I’ve been a lot more interested in my remaining gaming since.

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Sashaa

Shroud of the Avatar.

If I can make it to character customization without crashing many times in a row like it did previously with that damn mirror!

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NeoWolf

I am never unfair to a game, if I stop playing one I stop playing for REASONS and those reasons are valid to me, my spending habits, my time, my enjoyment and the kinds of gameplay I like most.

Occasionally I will stop playing a good(ish) game due to CS or Developer stupidity but again my reasons are always valid to me.

So with that in mind there is no MMO which currently deserves a second chance from me because those that are woth playing I AM playing, and those I am not, I AM NOT because of reasons that are not of my making but the games, the developers or thier CS teams.

Hell if anything I’d say there are a few games out there that owe me an apology not vice versa lol Crpytic and NCSOFt I am looking at you specifically.

It doesn’t fall to us to make excuses for them our interest (and income for that matter) is there waiting to be taken and treated well, if they take it for granted or abuse it thats on them :)

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Stormwaltz

Fallen Earth. The first 15-20 levels had a combination of thoughtfully-designed systems, slow-ish pacing, and explorer content that I probably could have ended up living in the game. Unfortunately, it came around at a time in my life when I didn’t have enough free time to focus on long-term games, and I drifted away.

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Castagere Shaikura

If games like Archage and Eve online weren’t focused pvp games i would love to play them. In fact alot of games i found fun but were ruined by forced end game pvp as content.

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rafael12104

Well, I never close the door on the games that I play. I pick and choose my games carefully though, so if I log in to begin with, I’ll be back another to be sure.

Deserves a second chance? There is only one game which forced me to slam the door shut and that is ArchAge. Does Trion deserve another shot? Hmm… maybe. I did try to go back a few times to check things out but, I was immediately reminded of the reasons why I left.

Another way to look at it is, I don’t really leave any game I’v played. I reserve the right to come back at anytime. The exception, ArchAge.

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Thomas

I have recently gone back to SWTOR to try some of the new content, and this games feels like it’s morphing into the CORPG it always should have been, which makes me happy.

I also have Secret World: Legends and Elder Scrolls Online: Morrowind on my “maybe I’ll give this game another shot” list.

I’d chuck them all in favor of a new campaign for GW1, though. :)

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Robert Mann

I’ve been known to give them, but leave disappointed as always. Simply put, MMOs as they are don’t deserve them. They aren’t the games I am looking for.

That isn’t to say that they don’t deserve second chances from others. It depends largely what a person is looking for.

For me, with a focus on a deep virtual world, all these games that are at most getting my toes wet just aren’t worthwhile. I keep an eye on the genre, because maybe someday hopefully there will be something where I can actually sink deep and enjoy… and thus I support games that innovate and reach that direction to an extent.

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borghive

Star Trek Online and Archeage.

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Arktouros

Any time I give a MMO a second chance I almost always invariably come to the same conclusion I came to the first time. When I gave SWTOR another go, it was complete the story content, get bored, and quit just like the first time around. When I gave ESO a second chance I found myself in the exact same scenario as the first time with lots of “by the numbers stuff” to do but nothing I actually wanted to do. GW2 I’m usually good until the next SPvP or Raiding rebalancing patch that screws my character over in open world or WvW and back on the shelf it goes.

If you really give a game a full go at it (as in attempt to fully experience the game) then you get a pretty solid and reliable view of what the game is about and what it will likely continue to be about. Usually the only time impressions change I find is if someone didn’t really give the game a full go the first time.

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James

SWTOR, I always wanted to love, But was so disappointed by the first 4 Months that I have never and I’m not sure I will return too.

Guild Wars 2, I Level Capped did the Missions, Finished the Zones and walked away, Maybe when there is significant backlog of content I’ll give it another whirl

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Koshelkin

More than I have time for and that’s kinda the whole point.

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KatsPurr

I have to admit that there are a few MMOs that I was initially excited about and looking forward to. Bought them. Installed them. And only played for a few hours (or a few days at most) before giving up. Either because the MMO did not engage me or because of massive technical or performance issues. They are the games I think back to, thinking “Damn, another game I invested money into but never played my money’s worth.” Age of Conan, LOTRO, Rift, Black Desert, Secret World and Shroud of the Avatar are all such games. :( Of course with SoA we have yet to see as it’s still being developed, and being a major Garriott fan I still hold out hope. But would I give a second chance to any of these others? Once I’ve upgraded to a better machine, probably Black Desert and Secret World. It might sound like I’m overly finicky with MMOs, but then there are those that have really sucked me in and into which I’ve invested an embarrassingly huge amount of time. Ultima Online of course, Dark age of Camelot, Anarchy Online, WoW, Star Wars the Old Republic, Guild Wars 2, Elder Scrolls Online and as of recent years, Wurm Online and Wurm Unlimited. Don’t you sometimes wish that someone, ANYONE would just come out with an MMO that caters to ALL of your needs?

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Robert Mann

Very much so… especially as somebody looking for a more PvE cooperative focused sandbox with world depth.

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KatsPurr

Yup!

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Utakata

I want to give Blade & Soul a second chance. And I have been meaning to do so sometime. Alas, WoW is taking most of my energies and focus right now. But I plan to go back there, if NC hasn’t forgotten about my account by now. :(

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rafael12104

Nah. We are all here waiting for you. :)

When they drop the Maestro/Gunslinger come on back and make another Lyn. Hey, I’ll do it with you, if you want. We will get a little group of “slingers” and start from zero.

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Oleg Chebeneev

Other the WoW, there are 3 candidates: EVE, AoC and TSW

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life_isnt_just_dank_memes

IDK that any deserve extra chances. My ideal game right now would be an open world GW1 with heroes that had modern combat mechanics and open world housing with a complex economy and government system. I’d like to see gank box mechanics evolve past, “Game to Murder AFK Players In” and move toward something a little more cerebral.

There’d have to be something in there for the afk murder people. I don’t want them to feel left out.

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Robert Mann

I like it… excepting that last line. That’s just part of why not all games should be for everyone.

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Modrain

FFXIV… I guess?
I played the original, it was… Not really fitting my taste, to put it nicely. I never played it again.

When ARR came live, I played it a bit, and while it was better than the original, it felt very bland and uninteresting to me, so I stopped playing quickly.
I recently gave it another chance since a friend started playing it. It has an interesting gathering/crafting system that was worth a shot, and for that it undoubtly deserved a second/third chance, especially for someone like me who really enjoys crafting. Unfortunately, for everything else (gameplay-wise), it’s been so far one of my worst MMO experience to date. I’m being told that I have to go through the delivery hell and one-skill combat to be able to reach the super ultra amazing high-level content, so I’ll see in due time if it’s deserved overall, or just partly. Granted I reach those heights.

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Melissa McDonald

Guild Wars 2.

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Valen Sinclair

No mmo “deserves” a second chance. It has to earn it. Sadly, mmos are just kind of today, or I’m sick of them…probably a combination of the two.

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Robert Mann

Probably you are sick of the inch deep at most MMOs that we have? I mean, once you have ground combat against monsters for a decade it starts getting a little old! :)

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Chris Walker

Probably more you, I imagine. I find so many MMOs enjoyable that time is my great limiter.

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SeedEve

None of them deserved it.Don’t want to waste my time and money on them.

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Major Glitch

FFXIV. I fell out of love with it last year when the game started feeling like a job to me. Tried coming back a few months ago, but it didn’t last. Want to give it another chance, but I’m having way too much fun with ESO right now.

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Loopy

E:D i would say. Lack of content is what drove me away from the game, but its systems and core gameplay is so much fun, i’m really hoping to give it another shot and see what has changed in the last year.

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adri

ESO and I .. we had a very rough start. Maybe I should give it a new try. The problem is I don’t like doing it alone and all my friends do something else mostly in RL like going to the university or being busy with the own kinda “corporation-ish” thing. Some still play games but I don’t think that I could motivate them to go back to ESO with me.

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Peter Reynolds

Pretty “chuckle worthy” using the ESO image for the headline. I have given ESO at least a 4th chance by now, but always find myself drifting away from it after a few months.

With Stormblood releasing the same time as Morrowind I am more inclined to enjoy Red Mage along with the massive amount of other content coming in that expansion!

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Paragon Lost

ESO is the one that I keep always in the back of my mind. I just have a hard time getting over the clunky UI and the controls. A few other nitpicks as well but yeah that’s the one mmo that I keep wanting to get a third, fourth etc try. Also the lockbox system always annoys me in any mmo that tends to have them and ESO is no exception.

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If on PC, mods can take care of the UI for you.

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Minimalistway

Ultima Online, because it is charming old game, and this is the reason i stopped playing it, it is unfair to compare to modern games, but i can’t help it, also i feel lost about what to do.

The other is Maplestory, i want to love this game, but the grind … i really want to play 2D MMO, so i’m waiting for Glitch projects.

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Stephen Donohue

I can’t believe it but I’m currently giving darkfall another chance in Rise of Agon and really enjoying it. The grind has been dramatically reduced to a level I can handle, and i found a good clan to roll with. At the moment there are a lot fewer people ganking newbie spawns, maybe because most vets don’t want to kill the game a 3rd time.

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zoward

I’ve mentally written off Secret World Legends, and it’s not really fair. Maybe I would love it. I dunno.

I couldn’t get far enough past the level grind in Dungeons & Dragons Online to enjoy a lot of the stuff at the end game (e.g., the Underdark). Maybe I’ll try again when the Ravenloft expansion drops (yeah, probably).

I never even tried Word of Warcraft: Legion – my level 96 dwarven priest main is still sitting in an inn in Outland twiddling his thumbs. Everything I’ve heard so far indicates I would like Legion better than Draenor. And yet I just don’t feel the itch to fire up the game again.

As I get older, I’ve adopted a philosophy of “if you’re not enjoying the game you’re playing, stop spinning your wheels and find something to do that is fun”. Many MMO’s subsequently fell by the wayside. That “something to do” may or may not be another MMO, or another video game. Funny how recognizing you have less time left makes you more possessive of the time you do have.

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Bryan Correll

As I get older, I’ve adopted a philosophy of “if you’re not enjoying the game you’re playing, stop spinning your wheels and find something to do that is fun”.

Amen brother. There often comes a point in playing an MMO when I realize that I’m logging into a game not because I want to, but out of some feeling that I’m supposed to. That’s when it’s time to reconsider whether I want to keep playing at all.

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Veldan

Yeah. This happens to me with other online games too. At some point I realize I’m just playing to perform my daily tasks to progress, and not to have fun. That’s typically the day I uninstall.

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Veldan

None. I gave many second chances already, some third chances too. Enough is enough.

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Armsbend

I’m not giving it a chance but I’m leaving Shroud of the whatever it is called alone because the older I get the more I find it silly I’m expending so much energy on an industry where I have no financial gain.

Maturity. I absolutely hate it.

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deekay_plus

i try to avoid reading about sota because when i do it tends to make me dislike garriot as a person and a developer more than the last time i read about it.

which the last time i read/chatted about it was with a friend who wrote her other friend a bot to mine because he was literally mindlessly clicking repeatedly every x seconds on a rock textured wall to mine for gold. and that is apparently mining in the game. which is apparently ultra grindy if you want to buy anything of value with gold.

which ofc he got banned for botting apparently. which is really on him. but nonetheless i can’t help but think a game mechanic like that screams in demand to be botted.

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Hirku

None of them. Every MMO I’ve had any interest in has already had second, third, and even fourth chances from me and still driven me off, never to return.

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Morgan

I quit GW2 shortly after launch (2012) cause of the grind but have recently gone back to it and I am enjoying it more than any other mmo atm so its my main for the foreseeable future.

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starbuck1771

Yeah I tested GW2 and the HOT expansion. I take breaks from it but eventually go back. Here is my lvl 80 Ranger.

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thirtymil

“In sleep he sang to me, in dreams he came…”

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Jack Pipsam

I suppose Star Wars: The Old Republic. I went very sour on the game when they removed the Australian servers back in 2013, quit the day after it happened and only gave half-hearted attempts to try playing the game again later.

But it being so long ago I should really just remove the salt from my wound and get on with it.

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deekay_plus

i gave swtor a third chance after watching tfa and wanting some jedi action in my life.

i ended up feeling like i wasted my $15 after a couple hours of the then new content.

the cgi trailers really are by far the best part of the game imo. ><

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Veldan

True that… they made me wish a few times that they would stop making SWTOR and make a proper full length CGI movie instead.

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Jack Pipsam

Blur as a studio are based gods. Their CGI cinematics for Halo Wars and the Halo 2 remake were nothing short of incredible.

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deekay_plus

give me a well written and directed and acted old republic show or series of movies made by them.

i wonder if the wookiepedia for swtor is worth reading suddenly. the wookiepedia for kotor1 and 2 is so much better than the games’ writing. ><

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mysecretid

They just changed one of their leads, so you may want to wait to see if the “new regime” does anything interesting or better first. Only a thought.

Cheers,

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Jack Pipsam

I am not in any rush to go back. For as much as the trailers sometimes put me in the mood to be like “yeah boiiiii Star Wars!”, things I have heard about the game just confuse me.
Also I can never get over jumping from 40ms to 480+ms. Dat ping tho.

I can never be too mad at Blizzard due to their servers being so sweet and smooth. Like butter.

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Morgan

OCE servers ftw! :D

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TheDonDude

Probably Neverwinter. I just can’t get through the initial tutorial dungeons without quitting. Yet people keep saying how great the combat is, so I feel like I must just not be getting far enough to see it.

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Valen Sinclair

NWO is the poster child of what a skinner box is. Avoid it at all costs.

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John Buczek

I really liked the combat and dungeons in NWO but the monetization drove me away. It is so in your face and obnoxious about the money grab it’s awful. It’s really sad that the publisher destroyed such a great game. Our whole game group was all set to move there.

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Geoffrey Tillman

But the game is completely free. It may have the most generous Free To Play system of any Free To Play game. With the possible exception of STO

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Robert Mann

Yeah, just certain aspects are pretty in your face, from the lockbox spam to the lockbox drop spam to the ‘here’s another store ticket, please buy something!’

I know they have to make money, but if the game tried less to advertise the store I’d probably be more down with playing and even paying.

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Bryan Correll

Yes, it is completely free. BUT the system messages that you can’t disable constantly popping up in the middle of the screen whenever anyone gets a rare item from a lockbox are so annoying that I can’t stand to play it even though I really like the game as a game.

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Geoffrey Tillman

You can disable those…. At least you can in STO and they use the same engine

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Bryan Correll

In Neverwinter you can’t. Having the same basic engine is irrelevant.

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Loopy

I would say that a game being completely free does not give it permission to be obnoxious about their monetization model. I would rather pay some sort of a fee to stop them from screaming in my face about the million currencies they use and what’s in the shop. There should be a balance imo how much is offered to a free player, and how much advertising the monetization system displays.

ESO and LOTRO do it well, i think. ESO has an upfront purchase price, and the “cash shop” is very minimalistic, tucked away in the UI, and does not break immersion. LOTRO gates its later content behind paid quest packs, in return for a non-intrusive cash shop.

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mysecretid

From me? As deekay says below, probably a game which I initially saw only in a rough, unfinished state which has since been polished up.

Otherwise, I’m pretty good at knowing whether I like a game or not, within my first hour of play.

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Loopy

I will definitely form an opinion very early in the game, since years of playing MMOs have instilled a bit of a muscle reflex on what to expect in terms of mechanics. Other than that, i almost always go back to MMOs that i’ve played for more than a few levels. Something about going back to a game after months of being away brings a fresh new perspective on what it has to offer, in addition to any improvements.

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deekay_plus

generally takes me less than an hour but i will sometimes keep playing anyway depending on interest of friends/guildies in said game.

it is true to an extent that any game can be ok with friends. to an extent. XD

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albion online maybe. teh combat looks good in video but when actually playing feels alot less tight and responsive than it should be or looks in video.

as well the early days people with founders pack mules are at a massive advantage over those without until the market on mounts crashes (which last beta was a matter of days but still).

some guildies want to play at the official launch this july tho so i think i shall join them since i do own the game already as it is.

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Morgan

Yeh Albion Online is in the back of my mind but its grind is just so intense I just dont know if i can. Its has so much going for it but I just cant…

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yeah you just reminded me i got to around the part where teh grind was about to set in and that combined with not feeling the combat is why i stopped bothering in this beta.

i guess we’ll see tho. i mean i spent $40 on it might as well right? XD

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