The Daily Grind: Have you ever had free-to-play buyer’s remorse in an MMO?

A friend of mine who doesn’t really play MMOs asked me recently about buyer’s remorse for free-to-play games. It’s a good question, I think; with subscription games, failing to make use of something is mostly the equivalent of not going to the gym despite having a membership. Awkward and unpleasant, but not really outright remorse. But dropping $10 on something and later wishing you hadn’t is another story altogether.

I do, in fact, have my own story of that; I bought some cartel coins on Star Wars: The Old Republic and was using them to unlock parts of a stronghold, but one part deducted several coins repeatedly without actually unlocking until I relogged. (The customer service staff, I’m sorry to say, was entirely unhelpful in resolving the issue.) It’s not a major problem, and it certainly wasn’t enough for me to make an undying issue out of it, but I did wish in hindsight that I hadn’t bothered.

So what about you, dear readers? Have you ever had free-to-play buyer’s remorse in an MMO? If so, what did you buy and why do you wish you hadn’t? And even if you don’t have such a story, do you think it’s probably more common than we hear?

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ting

My friends often play a lot of F2P cash grab games and just do charge backs when the devs put in P2W crap. They put all digital purchases on a credit card for charge back reasons and don’t regret anything when the game goes south. These companies are slimey anyways. They want to brickwall their customers with crappy customer service, have fun trying to get your money back from the CC company who will stone wall you harder.

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Benjamin Northrup

I’ve only ever had buyers remorse on month subs of P2P games. After so many amazing F2P and B2P experiences, I look back with regret that I ever paid rent to access my characters.

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Tobasco da Gama

Buyer’s remorse on a F2P game? Oddly enough, no. But then I have a very particular philosophy when it comes to spending money on F2P goodies.

Basically, I buy stuff in an F2P game (microtransactions in general, actually) as a kind of monetary “thank you” to the devs. If I’m not enjoying the game enough to feel that they deserve the thank you, I generally just stop playing altogether rather than plunking down money and then feeling bad about it later.

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Space Captain Zor

What I regret is buying a game (CE, no less) and paying a subscription to it on the idea that my subscription (and CE) would be used to generate updates and content (CE vendor..) and continued development for me only to see the game go free-to-play and then a ton of development thereafter seemingly aimed at the free-to-play customer instead of the existing subscribers. SWTOR would be my prime example. Yes, they continue to gate story content behind the sub, however, a lot of their efforts have clearly been spent on the Cartel Market/lock boxes as well as ways to break the game up into undigestible bits to entice subscriptions to make it palatable again.. Did they really need to invest so heavily in making the game so terrible to play without a sub? As someone who was subscribing while they did that, I truly feel my subscription dollars were being inappropriately allocated there.

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Melissa McDonald

The closest thing for me would be Entropia. I was intrigued by another game-to-real currency game after really enjoying Second Life, and wondered what it would be like.

Worst game ever. Oy vey.

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capt_north

Star Trek Online: I bought a number of TOS items (auntie rolls old school), and all of them have been given away as free gifts, included in the Agents of Yesterday expansion, or both. Look, if you’re going to give away stuff that other people have paid for, flag any account that already has it and issue a full refund.

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ceder

No but I have had remorse after buying a game that went free to play later.

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Alex Malone

Nope: I refuse to buy things through F2P shops as I don’t want to encourage bad business practices and I feel F2P has been a very negative force within the MMO genre. It’s subscription or nothing for me.

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Neurotic

I don’t, that I can remember. I prefer F2P to subs for the time reason — because of work, I never really know how much free time I’ll have each month, so paying 10-12 Euros for 30 days of access that I then only have a few hours or days of use from, is much more galling to me. In fact, the last buyer’s remorse I felt was a 60-day WoW sub that I ended up getting about 1 week of playtime out of. :D

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Robert Mann

Nope. The only money I have spent on free to play games went to things that I carefully considered, thought were a good purchase, and supported honest dev work. Like expansion or DLC content that was reasonably priced, and a few odd cosmetics before the days of ‘limited pet/mount sale, buy now!’ and ‘Hey, look at this shiny new cosmetic. No patches for three months, but you can get this cool thing here that we want $20 for!’

I’m far more willing to spend with a developer and/or publisher who is up front with me, respects their customers enough to not do the gimmicky crud, and all that jazz.

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semugh

I regret putting money into sub games…

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Veldan

Nah. I always think carefully before making a purchase. If I’m not fully behind it, I don’t buy it. I also never buy a lockbox or anything that’s even remotely P2W, on principle, so no regrets there either.

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starbuck1771

Yup I don’t put money into games I do not like.

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drgreenhoe

I can not afford “Free to Play”. Learned that lesson the hard way! :)

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starbuck1771

Why can’t you? You’re not required to buy anything.

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ozzie

I like supporting games I play. But in many F2P games I don’t really feel good about spending money. Looking back after spending whatever currency I bought, I see I have some virtual consumables and maybe a mount/outfit or whatever. I get remorse right there. I don’t actually own anything, just some virtual items or bag space, nothing actually worth the money I paid.

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Michael Quinlivan

Almost every single time I buy something in a F2P game, I stop playing like a week later. I guess it’s because I lose what I’m working towards and get bored of the game.

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starbuck1771

Nope no regrets buying for in-game stores and the such. Elliot buying expansions to your strongholds for cartel coins is just unwise when you can use credits.

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socontrariwise

Bought a cat pet in Free Realms (to the day still the only thing I ever bought in a cash shop except if I had free currency) which I could train to do tricks and then make it perform, was essentially a gesture minigame. Few month later they removed the minigame, now you just clicked a button for it to make the tricks, no training or such anymore either.
I was pissed.
I did not buy the cat to have a cat but I liked the minigame.

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Melissa McDonald

I still believe the closing of FreeRealms was supposed to get those players, younger but growing up rapidly, interested in EverQuest Next, which would be a “best of both worlds” for FreeRealms and Minecraft. I think they intended to capture a demographic there. But all that failed.

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Suikoden

My biggest regret of my entire MMO career. I was playing Neverwinter for about 2 years at this point, and decided I was going to turn all my artifacts Cyan. (This was a while ago so forgive any incorrect syntax). I did all the math, invested all the money, played the market, and waited for a Double Enchant weekend. When the day hit, I only got one artifact to Cyan, and it hit me as to what just happened. I could have funded FFXIV for 4 years with the amount of cash that got dropped. I felt like a sucker, and left the game on principle, and never let that happen again. The good news is that, in case you are wondering, P2W in that game only goes so far, then exponentially drops off. The bad news is that they got me. Wiser, and poorer, I moved on.

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Sally Bowls

1) I have lots of regrets, including MMO regrets, but can’t recall any MMO regret that would even make my top 100 regrets for the month.

2) Since it is so much more valuable, I resent time spent far more than money spent

3) I resent the reflogging of the F2P dead horse here. I don”t see why F2P is in the title. I have MMO regrets for f2p, b2p, and sub games. In general, I would expect fewer regrets for purchases in a f2p game than a sub game. For one thing, there are designed to give me something I want. A lot of sub games are about things I don’t want to do (grind, forced grouping) but are in there because that’s the way they did things last decade and the forum warriors insist. Plus, f2p is about getting the item today; Sub is about trying to guess my future. If illness, overwork, or a new paramour – MMO or RL – seduces my time, I regret the sub for that month. Spending 50 mithril doubloons for bag slots gets me bag slots immediately. I don’t see spending money in the inevitable cash shop that a sub game has as being morally superior to the inevitable cash shop that a f2p has. Instead of it being how the company stays in business, for a sub cash shop I feel a bit double dipped.

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Cypher

Exactly the same thing happened to me in GW2, thought I’d give it another shot some time ago and went to buy some gems, the transaction kept failing so I gave up and logged out. Some time later I randomly checked my PayPal account and saw 4 successful transactions for GW2 gems!
“Pissed off” does not fully describe my feelings!

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Witches

…lockboxes!…

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Oleg Chebeneev

Well, Ive spent 50$ on LoTRO after it went F2P to get coins to buy zones and expansions. And I never got to zones that I bought for those coins. I never even reached Moria that I own

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Hirku

Haha, I bought the Eriador bundle just before I got fed up and quit. All those poor no-name rangers sitting around waiting for their wolf pelts.

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Reht

Every time i log back into Rift after taking a break. F2P definitely got their money out of me like no other game before due to impulse buying. I just had to have all the souls, all the gear slots, exp potions and of course they had a good promo for a year’s worth of patron status – a fool and his money… Only thing i didn’t fall prey to was buying dungeon or raid gear. While i don’t regret playing the game, i definitely spent more money for 6 months of playing than in any other game before. If i had to do over though, i just would have skipped Rift. While they have a pretty decent F2P system, i am one of those folks who would rather have a sub that allows access to everything within the game – i don’t mind paying for large bags, exp pots, cosmetics, etc., in a sub based game but i hate the nickel and dime feeling of most F2P games.

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Mike Davenport

I have been known to call F2P the “nickel-and-dime” model of pricing in gaming. I believe it tells the player that parts of your game aren’t as good as others, so we will let you only pay for the “good parts”. I also feel it feeds the ugly parts of gaming addiction by breaking a game’s flow by locking parts behind a paywall. Mobile game creators feed off of this “completionist” need that many gamers have that see their advancement blocked by impossible odds that can be easily solved by one-time purchase.

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kjempff

No because I don’t fall for that f2p crap. Generally I like to earn things in game and buying makes me enjoy the game less. I always research what I am paying for when buying a game, and when I (rarely) spend on a f2p game I am twice as weary and analyzing of what I get for how much.

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pepperzine

Nope. There are two things I spend money on when it comes to f2p titles. One is a subscriptions (and from the cash shop if possible for loyalty bonuses/credits) and the other is cash shop cosmetics exclusively for PoE. Grinding gear games deserve my money, which I see as a donation rather than purchases. I have never felt even a sliver of remorse for supporting those developers.

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deekay_plus

eh the subscription model was rife with people voicing that if they didn’t treat sub games like a 2nd job they felt they had wasted their money for the month. and people that wouldn’t buy an mmo again because of that mentality.

i’d say that qualifies as outright remorse over spending money (and time) on those games.

f2p spending regret wise i generally don’t but that changed a bit in BDO this week as i spent $40cad on an outfit that i’m not all that keen on from a rather lacklustre selection. i think it’s the high price of the individual outfit that is part of the issue here. i’m used to spending $10-15 on a full outfit and often those outfits are more interesting to customize in other games. and generally more aesthetically pleasing than BDO’s offerings.

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Slaasher

I love those people who would voice that complaint about not getting their moneys worth ($15/mo) for a sub game if they didn’t play it at least 100 hours per month. These are probably the same people who ate $5 – 7 worth of chips, bars and sodas while they took the 15 minutes to type out their complaint.

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Vertigo Teaparty

Very true. Do people feel compelled to watch TV or Netflix instead of doing anything else simply because they pay a monthly fee? These same people will spend $20+ to go to the movies for ~2 hours of entertainment, yet not spending 40+ hours on a $15/month sub isn’t getting your money’s worth.

People often have incredibly poor, illogical reasoning.

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Schmidt.Capela

It’s not about the absolute number of hours spent playing, at least not for me; rather, paying a subscription makes me feel like I’m wasting money every time I play anything else, whereas with F2P or B2P games I don’t feel any pressure to play it my every leisure moment. I would rather pay $300 for a lifetime sub than $15 per month, even if I’m not sure I will last in the game long enough to recoup my money, because not worrying about getting my money’s worth out of the subscription makes the experience far better for me.

BTW: I haven’t purchased chips or soda in over a decade. When you live somewhere an all-you-can-eat meat buffet with prime cuts can be enjoyed for as little as $15, eating junk food is more about the lifestyle than the cost.

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deekay_plus

i disagree/. i have plenty of friends that are fit and healthy eaters who have voiced this before.

and it’s not necessarily just people bitching on forums about it.

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Benjamin Northrup

In order for me to hit the same Dollar/hr ratio of any F2P/B2P game I’ve ever played, I’d have to put in 40 hrs a week into a sub game. I realized how little I was getting out of FFXIV compared to BDO, and unsubbed right then. and comparing a food/junk food budget to a gaming budget is apples to oranges.

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A Dad Supreme

Mostly no because I don’t spend money in any game anymore that has no “sub” component to it. It’s either buy the sub monthly (as I am already used to doing old school style) or generally don’t spend a nickel.

I tried out F2P games long before they were the rage with the cheap Chinese and Asian knockoffs and realized the con. Buying inventory space, unlocking the necessary weapons/skills/gear to advance, having more than one character, etc is pretty much a shell game depending on what F2P MMO you’re playing.

Nowadays if I play an MMO in this fashion, I do it completely free because when paying for a sub, I sometimes felt I had to play everyday to justify the sub. With a F2P game, there is nothing to justify and the company says it’s “free”, so they shouldn’t later try to push the “our devs have to eat” line on me when they try to pass health potions or bank space as a ‘perk’ to be purchased.

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Castagere Shaikura

Nope i haven’t bought anything in an mmo in a long time and don’t see me doing so anytime soon. I just quit playing all my mmo’s. Uninstalled them from my pc because i have been finding mmo’s boring lately. Although i’m hoping TSWL will be good but its Funcom so i’m keeping my excitement down until release. Back to playing my old single player RPG’s from GOG. I have to except that mmos have not been doing it for me anymore. I like the idea’s of what Funcom has planned for TSWL being more co op than full blown mmo. I hope it works.

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Schmidt.Capela

I don’t really have buyers regret related to F2P; if I’m spending money it’s because either I have dully evaluated what I’m purchasing and I’m absolutely sure I will enjoy it, or else because I think the dev already gave me so much they deserve some extra money from me (in which case there’s no buyer’s remorse even if what I get is completely useless).

That is not to say I didn’t have buyer’s remorse related to MMOs, mind, but that is reserved to games that change from something I like into something I can’t enjoy. Continuing my WoW subscription past the pre-launch Cataclysm patch, and purchasing that expansion, was a sheer waste of money for me, for example, though I can kinda understand why Blizzard did the choices they did. But the two MMOs I really regret ever spending any money on are GW2 and, most of all, Elite Dangerous; my gripe with ED over how Frontier dropped the offline mode and handled the refunds situation is, in fact, so ingrained I to this day do whatever I can to steer prospective players away not only from that game, but also from everything made or published by Frontier.

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Toy Clown

Buying 20-30$ outfits in BDO has left me with buyer’s remorse on more than several occasions, as I found most of those outfits sat in my character’s inventory, and never wore them except when first getting them. Other games it wasn’t as bad since cash shop prices aren’t as steep as BDO’s.

What I’ve learned to do is sit on purchase choices for 2 days now. In that time I ask myself if I really want that outfit, do I think my character will wear it more than once, what don’t I like about it, etc.

By doing the above, I’ve gone from spending 60-100$ a month on average in BDO, to 0-30$ a month. I do that with all MMO purchases now. It really sucks feeling like money is wasted in virtual space. I need some entertainment value return to spend my money now.

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Mystyrys .

I have a lot of remorse over buying the Landmark Founder’s pack. I have remorse for buying expansions for games then not sticking with it long enough to get to the level to actually play that expansion. Account-wide gear collection unlocks from the market in SWTOR.

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rafael12104

Hmm. Not really. I set aside money for gaming. It’s budgeted. Yeah, I’m a bigger nerd than you thought. Anyway, so when I spend that money I don’t really have any remorse. If something I buy isn’t quite what I hoped, I shrug it off easily.

But let’s talk Kickstarter Remorse. Oh, I can talk about that. Repopulation made me regret a lot of things…

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deekay_plus

idea fabrik continuing to throw josh and jc under the bus for issues with the engine is absolutely infuriating.

and that they announced they will open up the non steam monetization ahead of actually deploying any patches.

i rarely think game devs are truly scum but in IF’s case they are straight up gross.

i wish i could get a refund for my pledges really. fuck those guys.

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rafael12104

Exactly what I’m talking my about. It’s fucking tragic.

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I don’t tend to buy much in MMOs, but the few I do… I have 2 for you.
1) The “Guardian” cruiser starship in STO. I enjoy STO, but that ship proved to be a waste for how I tend to play.
2) Unlocking the warrior class for Chua in Wildstar. I had hoped it might encourage me to actually PLAY the damned game (since I tended to play Warrior and loved the Chua), but the game reminded me in short order why I didn’t play it anymore. Was a dumb waste of $10.

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Danny Smith

I don’t spend money on freemium games. If the devs aren’t confident they can sell their game at a retail price that usually speaks volumes to their ethos in the longrun.

Case in point Rifts “no tricks no traps” years ago and now that games pretty much considered an untouchable by everyone i know that played it as a sub game.

Look at it this way: Duke Nukem Forever was sold at a retail price. If a developer thinks the price is a bigger barrier for entry than that game then its a skinner box and designed to milk you first, be a retail product second.

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Utakata

Like with any MMO, I usually go the subscription route…so I avoid having to deal with nickel and dime shops. And when I stop playing the game, I simply end the sub until I am ready to play again. Therefore, remorse is never there. I am glad I enjoyed the time I spent playing it. /shrug :)

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NeoWolf

Any lockbox i ever bought..EVER! Never again.

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Arktouros

The only game I have ever regretted spending any amount of money on was Neverwinter Online. They had done the whole “released-but-not-released-look-we-still-calling-it-beta-but-won’t-wipe” thing when a colossal amount of bugs and issues came up. People were soloing and doing huge exploits in game for the top end gear at the time with minimal effort (one shotting bosses, etc) which was overshadowed entirely by the “caturday” shop exploits. People made millions in gems selling that exploited armor and while they rolled back a day and eventually banned a few players the economy was trashed and they basically refused to do what they should have done and simply wiped. I think my account still has millions of gems or whatever they were called from flipping the exploiter gear pre-caturday and making a killing post-caturday.

Every other game, more or less, while I may have grown to dislike the game I had my period of fun with it and enjoyed myself so I don’t feel it’s money lost.

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Bryan Turner

Every single dime I ever spent on Rift, my ISP is no longer compatible with their servers.

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socontrariwise

?

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Robert Mann

Rift locks coins and such if the IP address changes. Some ISPs are very bad about keeping you with a set IP address.

That, or routing to the server location is just trash. Because ISPs do odd things with routing sometimes.

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Bryan Turner

If you don’t know what an ISP is how are you even online to not understand this? I usually use language to communicate could you try using words, sentences, dare I suggest a paragraph?

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Robert Mann

Or… they could just not realize how that could possibly be an issue. Since, you know, they probably aren’t thinking things like coin lock, but rather complete lack of ability to play.

Which can still happen too, if your ISP constantly routes oddly. I know I have issues with anything in Dallas for some reason (I get ~1/14th the bandwidth to Dallas as to Germany, for example. It is pretty stupid!)

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Chris Moss

Hmmm I would not say so much that it is buyers remorse for an item I have bought, but more putting money into a game that for years now has allowed hackers to run free.

For those that know, APB Reloaded is a fun game to play. But the devs have all but given up on it. They hold monthly sales for their random loot boxes, and from time to time I am tempted to buy a few.

It just feels as tho they are just trying to get as much cash from the players as possible before shutting it down, doesn’t matter if the cash is coming from average players like myself or hackers that make up a large portion of the community now.

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Zen Dadaist

Nothing really. If I’m going to lay out money on an F2P game then I’ll have very carefully considered my decision for a while beforehand. I don’t do impulse purchases. If I’m at all dubious about buying something, then I won’t buy it.

Mind you, time is money. If that’s counted then yes there’s a lot of time sunk into F2P offerings that I regret :p

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Zulika Mi-Nam

“…there’s a lot of time sunk into F2P offerings that I regret :p ”

Agreed, and that also goes for sub games, or any game. Sometimes a patch comes along and changes the aspects of the gameplay I like and/or flattens out a progression ramp I had been trudging up.

Taking candy from a baby I tell ya …..rather they not had even showed it to me. Rift 3.0 PVP changes I am looking at you ! *starts breathing heavily*

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Minimalistway

Nothing so far, i haven’t found F2P game worth investing my time and money, cash shops makes me overthink if i need to buy stuff and the answer is always: no, it is easier to stop playing the game.

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kjempff

Spot on

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CapnLan

Oh I do. All of the T5 ships I bought in STO. I’ll always be salty over The Best Expansion Ever And The Players Love It and what they did with the T5U nonsense. Just…ugh.

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Hirku

Not f2p and more like excess buyer’s enthusiasm than remorse, but…in my first hours of TSW I was so excited about the game I rushed out and bought all the available issues not realizing they were endgame content. Or even knowing what endgame content was, or pretty much anything at all, come to think of it.

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Jack Pipsam

Not an MMO but when Team Fortress 2 went F2P I put more money into that then that I would have done now.

I suppose it’s happened a few times, but what’s done is done, I have learnt from the past and try not to be as reckless as I used to be. Now I am lot more reserved than I was before.

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wratts

EQN. When it looked like there was a promising game on the horizon, then-SOE had a promotion on SC cards, think it was a 2-for-1 or something but it had to be on physical cards. I had some Gamestop credit, and a couple physical gift cards, and went and spent those plus some cash, to the point I think I bought about $150 worth of SC points (mostly without my own money) to stock up for when EQN would come out and I could have pre-funded unlocks or cosmetics . . .

Needless to say, I still have a ton of DBG cash that I’m unlikely to ever use because they pretty much suck

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deekay_plus

yeah i still have lik $50 of smedbucks rotting. and likely to not be spent because i got tired of their shit over landmark/eqn debacle and the joke that was hizi’s marketting.

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BalsBigBrother

Life is too short to waste on remorse or regrets for gaming. /shrugs

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Modrain

Not really, the money I put into free to play games wasn’t planned to go anywhere else in the first place. I can regret using it too fast in-game or on something non-optimal, but that’s unrelated to the fact it is real money. As I am a resource hoarder, I have the same issue with any kind of resource.

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Phubarrh

Having first played LOTRO as a subscription game, there was a bit of sticker shock in returning to it free-to-play. Initially, I made an effort to try to catch up by buying expansions and quest packs…but I never played far enough in to make that buy worthwhile, and now whenever I check in on the game, there seems to be no simple way to determine what story content I’ve actually purchased already. I guess I’ll be bumping my nose against some invisible walls if I ever do decide to go the distance.

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Robert Mann

The main story stuff comes free for anything short of the expansions. Your account will only show zones/expansions that you haven’t purchased.

You can still enter everywhere (except the xpac stuff) I believe… just can’t do certain things. Like zone quests (xpac stuff usually has the small option with quests, dungeons, etc. separate… and the big one for everything.)

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zoward

I sink money into a free-to-play if I’m enjoying it, and want to both advance my pace in the game and support the developers/publishers. Even if I decide later that I’m not enjoying the game any more, the money is still my way of supporting a game I’ve already enjoyed. As such, I’ve never had buyer’s remorse.

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deekay_plus

there’s a big circle jerk going on this week on reddit over gtao banning mods and people getting sweet internet points by telling people not to buy shark cards because they think if they ddin’t sell they would make sp dlc instead. (they wouldn’t, they’ve gone on record saying gta4’s dlc sold really poorly and was a net loss for them).

apparently me buying the occasional shark card to support a game i’ve been playing on and off for over 2 years now and comes out with great free contnet on a regular basis makes me not a true fan of gta games.

even tho i’ve been literally playing them since the first one in the 90s on pc. and always wanted to play the franchise with friends that gtao offers.

i also got trolled on steam after writing a positive review by people that never played the game about the fact in gtao people call hackers modders for w/e reason. kind of really silly. but the same mods for sp are used in mp to fuck up legit players gametime so…

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