Massively OP Podcast Episode 129: Treasure Trove

On this week’s show, Justin and Bree talk about Trove’s underdog status, the impact of server merges on open world housing, playing as a deer, gender stereotypes in MMOs and more!

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Douglas Hopkins

Sorry, I’m a little behind on all my podcasts, so I just listened to this one. This is me playing mmos right now to a T. I have some friends at work who play FF 14, but I haven’t logged in in forever because I just don’t want to have to grind through all those dungeons mixed in with my story. I mean hell, I went on a rant a while ago on twitter about WoW and its tendency to just throw everything out that works new with the expansions and how much I hate that. Still went back and poked wow the other day, cause most of it I can do by myself. MMOs offer such a unique RPG experience you can’t always get in most single player games.

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Jesse Wan

Link to the Youtube video with the dad jokes? As an offering, I give this GW2 pun:

According to the latest Asuran research, what is the laziest IRL city?

Bookah-rest.

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Malcolm Swoboda

100% for difficulty modes

And your mention of ‘scifi’ is rather light scifi. The differentiation between scifi and fantasy is how much can be tethered to either currently known science or reputable theory. Something like Star Wars is so little scifi to the point of being ‘science fantasy/space opera’, and even Star Trek is very light scifi. So you start talking about friggin BLASTERS and I groan a little, sorry! (Not that blasters can’t happen in a thing, but that you use it as your example of ‘scifi’.)

Its often indeed a ‘male niche’ because it has its own language and rules that its considered that females don’t want a part of it because they supposedly can’t get anything out of it. Similar to thinking women don’t want to be a part of engineering. You just busy your pretty head with the ‘feels’, we men will deal with the ‘reals’ (aka ‘real working science’, even our fantastical fiction has to be about it).

Stuff like Star Wars popularized a thing that was relatively for certain sorts of intellectual or wannabe intellectual men. Look at the earlier scifi novels, actually read them, and compare to, well, the rather normal dramatics storylines of Star Wars. Sure there’s big whooshes and booms and beep boops, but there’s a defensive section of scifi fans that strongly think that the heart of the genre must be about hard technical science and what is can/may one day do, not pretty things done with tech, and some of them think that more female influence (considered an automatically less technical influence) only degrades what they want the genre to continue to be. That it becomes… well, like the old lore and mythos, turning into sappy Twilight.

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Bree Royce

I wonder if the dudes who insist that any sci-fi women like is therefore soft sci-fi and therefore inferior and not “real” know that astronomy as an academic field has one of the highest proportions of female participation in the “hard” sciences. They can put a “no girlz allowed” sign up for a few decades, but they can’t then say women just don’t want to come in because of The Biologies.

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Malcolm Swoboda

And anything falls apart when you see how filled scifi can be with space babes, power fantasy, bizzaro art, whatever.

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Ryan Allgood

On the EVE Online and sci-fi discussion, my problem I have with sci-fi games is that I don’t want to be a spaceship. This knocks out a lot of big ones like EVE Online.

Then I also don’t like shooters, which knocks out most of the rest of the big sci-fi MMOs.

Although my favorite non-fantasy setting is one like The Secret World. But I don’t love the combat in TSW, even after the Secret World Legends revamp.

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lemony800

The reason the Season 3 maps are so populated is because they just introduced a legendary trinket which requires that you play through all the content again.

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miol

Either way, you know how megaservers work, right? ;P

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Bree Royce

Was still surprised to see it so early on in this episode. Two weeks from now when that’s died down, it’d make more sense. :D

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Suikoden

Okay Bree. You know we love you, but you’re going to have to elaborate on the comment that all the super hero MMOs since City of Heroes are tiny-sliver-games that no one is playing. There are a lot of people playing Marvel Heroes and DCUO. And I know a lot of people that didn’t play City of Heroes because it wasn’t affiliated with a major super hero IP. I know you have fond memories of the game, but c’mon. There are at least 2 games out there that people are playing. If the comment was directed at Champions, because of the 3, it is the closest to City of Heroes, fair enough. Just wanted to comment on the fact that there are super hero options that have strong communities and populations.

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Bree Royce

Honestly I forgot about Marvel Heroes (borderline MMO). I was thinking about Champs, definitely, and DCUO too, chiefly because it’s terrible, it’s underplayed on PC, and Daybreak does a terrible job promoting it. Without consoles, it would be in Champs’ situation. And then the five indies.

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Suikoden

Fair enough, I’ll agree with you there. DCUO is underplayed on PC, and Daybreak will squeeze every last penny out of that game and leave it on the side of the road before the invest any money promoting it.
As for Marvel Heroes. Definitely more MMO than most ARPGs, that’s for sure, but not as much MMORPG as the others.

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McGuffn

Bad news for Trion, that Trove expansion name is a lawsuit waiting to happen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_(disambiguation).

Given Trion’s luck recently, I can totally imagine someone suing because someone might confuse an 18th century racehorse with Trove’s expansion.

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Minimalistway

I would not worry about it, the word is so common in computer world and other fields.

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Wanda Clamshuckr

Or, the 1869 autobiographical vignette by James Fenimore Cooper.

They’d better lawyer up.

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Jeremiah Wagner

Any big GW1 fans that don’t like GW2 are not going to return to GW2 just because they are adding areas from GW1, GW2 is still GW2. Its a completely different game then GW1 with combat on the complete opposite end of the spectrum IMO.

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McGuffn

Mailbag: Has Bree ever gotten into non-fantasy MMOs?

Do Star Wars and City of Heroes and Glitch count?

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Paragon Lost

Gonna disagree with the listener email about single player play in in mmorpgs. It does actually negatively impact the mmorpg experience. Game designers have to lower challenges and design mechanics with solo play in mind at times.

Though I will agree with Justin’s point about how LotRO offers the solo gameplay experience for the various instanced Book/Chapter Storyline stuff. I feel that that’s a good thing and doesn’t impact the overall big picture of the game’s design and intent.

So basically I’m for it if it’s just in a limited way that doesn’t impact the overall feel/challenge of the game world.

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Jeremiah Wagner

Completely agree.

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