The Daily Grind: What do you think of World of Warcraft’s Shadows of Argus so far?

It’s been a little over a week since World of Warcrafteers (that’s a term, right?) jettisoned the world of Azeroth for that of Argus, the Legion-blasted realm that represents one of the largest content updates for the game to date. But how is it?

I’m on a bit of a break from WoW right now, having burned out more on the artifact grind and repetitive world quests than anything else. It was simply time for me to step back, although I’ve been keeping my eye on Patch 7.3 with some interest. I know that part of the update’s purpose was to draw players like me back with the promise of new realms to explore and goals to achieve, but so far the verdict is out for me.

For those of you playing, how are you finding Shadows of Argus? Has it rekindled your excitement for WoW, been more of the same, or proved to be a disappointment?

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Utakata

…just on the side Mr. Justin: I don’t really Artifact grind, I gear upgrade instead. While more Artifact Power may mildly make your weapon more powerful, your iLevel is the thing that will make you it harder with better survival chances by miles. So it’s more staying on top of gear (for right or wrong) – which is easier to come by in a variety of methods – then focusing on the AP. Which comes by anyways, even more so now that Blizz has introduced a number of “catch-up” mechanics.

So tl,dr: Don’t worry about the Artifact stuff so much. It’s not the tail that wags the dog in this game than I thought it was going to be. :)

PS/Note: In case anyone was wondering, I consider Artifact Relics acquiring as part of gearing. As they are glorified gems slotted in that increases one’s Artifact weapon’s iLevel. And can be upgraded so regardless of how much AP it has.

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Rottenrotny

More of the same it seems. Only with less AP grinding.

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Ben Stone

I’m liking it. Reminds me of the Timeless Isle and is a good catch up mechanism moving into the next raid tier for either new players, casuals or people switching mains.

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malrats

Curious: what makes it a good catch-up mechanism? I don’t know much about it and haven’t played since 7.0, but I’m eager to get back in before too long.

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Leviathonlx

I’m enjoying it and the content it brings. I’ll probably take a break for 2-3 weeks once PoF comes out then be right back to it.

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Oleg Chebeneev

Im not playing retail WoW so cant comment on the quality of content but I dont like green acid design of zones. I think Argus itself is too tiny for being Burning Legion’s bastion. Also I dont like this green moon hovering above Azeroth.

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Dug From The Earth

Im enjoying it all except for one super annoying part.

Whoever designed the landscape (you know, the person(s) using the 3d world building tool) needs to be slapped silly. The sheer number of tiny rocks, cracks, ridges, and other barely visual landscape features that COMPLETELY stops you from moving forward is downright infuriating as you travel around.

If you arent on the main freaking path, you end up hitting these “invisible walls” way more frequently than should have been allowed through Q&A. It makes exploring and traversing these new zones the most frustrating thing in the game for me right now.

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Nascent Visions

The content so far is pretty good and the zones are polished and interesting. Story telling is not bad, but not great either. You can see the effort there but it’s not enough to make me start caring about characters I haven’t cared about for 10 plus years.

The thing I’m most annoyed with is the artificial gating. I’d have rather had them just unload all of it at once than put it behind a staggered three week barrier that players can’t in any way effect in game. I get that Blizzard doesn’t want people to binge the whole thing in one week and then complain that there’s nothing to do, but give me a break. You’ve got three new zones (albeit small ones), new artifact mechanics, and a new dungeon all ready to go. That’s a solid month’s worth of new stuff for casual players whether you gate it or not and the hardcore players are just going to blitz it all as it arrives anyway. Launch it and let us play it.

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threeknee

I don’t know because I don’t play it, but I’m a little sad that I didn’t return to WoW for Legion, seeing as how the Burning Crusade era was my favorite. Too late now though.

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Ben Stone

Nah its a good time to come back really, it is between raid tiers and Argus will catch you up to everyone except Mythic raiders.

Also they removed a lot of the annoying time sinks and locks like the 3rd relic, artefact knowledge, weapon unlocks etc that stopped new players catching back up.

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Liandreth

I’m having a blast. Subbed back up for 7.3 and Argus. It has a lot of catch up mechanics now so I don’t feel too bad grinding out multiple artifacts, etc, on alts. The story line is great too. Getting to see some much beloved characters and the interactions they’re having has been awesome.

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AtticLion

The price reduction very nearly almost convinced me to maybe, half-way, consider that perhaps WoW isn’t analogous to some sort of horrible soul-draining brain parasite. Potentially even different enough to actually be worth some small sum of money.

But then I remembered that this will no doubt be the last major content patch for Legion. And that I have zero interest in getting sucked into the months and months of content drought that are inevitably leading up to whatever this new overpriced expansion will be.

So I banished it from my mind and went back to playing Hollow Knight for the 3rd time.

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TheDonDude

As a Draenei, I think the story rules. All this great stuff that with Velen and his guilt over the past.

The actual World Quests and such I could take or leave. I don’t feel the need to be too diligent with them. I dunno if that’s a complaint, though.

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Utakata

I am pretty sure they hired the developers who gave us those layer cake instances back in City of Heroes. Just Saying. :(

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TheDonDude

Heh heh… that blue on blue on blue colour palette. Impossible to find the damn ramp.

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Utakata

In this case it’s fel earth tones on fel earth tones on fel earth tone palette…until you fall into a pool of burning fel neon green palette, ’cause the bridge you thought you where crossing over it to escape 15,000 mobs you unintentionally pulled turned out to be an actual ledge. /corpse run :(

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CthulhuDawg

I miss my toons, one in particular. I keep thinking of going back to see the changes but the memory of being instantly unhappy during WoD and getting my money back immediately has kept me from dropping the cash. I feel like Blizz used to send out 7 day trials all the time, like MoP and before, haven’t seen one in my inbox in a long time.

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Rick Mills

I think Blizz has kept their promises on content despite a (rightly gained) poor reputation – this “Timeless Isle” patch has been fun so far, and for PVErs, dungeon and raid content has been gated well.
Naysayers will, no doubt, point to the end of this patch as a return to past grievances and they may be right to do so, but I can only say well done to date.
Let tomorrow worry about itself!

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thirtymil

[Slight spoiler] My mind is still boggling over the Army of the Light’s decision to fly a massive personnel carrier over enemy territory without any intel/escort/suppression of enemy air defences.

There’s a fine line between making your bad guys look evil for the things they do and making your good guys look really stupid for failing to avoid them, and the Argus invasion is leaning heavily towards the latter so far.

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pepperzine

No opinion personally. After hearing all the details involving artifacts I chose not to purchase legion. It didn’t sound like a fun grind to me.

My good friend who normally plays religiously Since MoP has taken a hiatus except for attending his guild’s biweekly scheduled raiding. Anecdotal at best.

Either way, hope those who are playing it enjoy the changes.

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deekay_plus

apparently it’s too d3 like for some people. and otherwise more of the time gated super random lewt that has plagued complaints of certain previous major content patches for the game ahead of doughts.

i don’t have much opinion on it either way really. i’m not willing to invest the time or money or effort to get back into the game again even tho i kind of miss the combat – but then likely i will find that my beloved frost mage is not only as usual treated like a red headed step child but also plays much different than what i once loved about it.

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Space Captain Zor

I’m loving my Frost Mage in Legion, they have treated it well.

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Ben Stone

Frost mage is doing very well, and the revamped spell effects means it is one of the flashier looking casters in the game at the moment. The blizzard spell effect in particular is great.

Combat rotation for frost didn’t change much from MoP / Draenor aside from losing a few generic skills.

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Polyanna

Whatever else you think of it, the fact that people are griping now, even a little, about how they may “only” have nine months between the last raid and the next expansion seems like a good sign. Let this be a lesson to those who (rightly so) wished for no more content droughts; careful what you wish for . . .

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Eliandal

Oddly enough – that is one of my main problems with WoW right now – there is just SO much to do, and since I am/have been an altoholic for over a decade, it’s just overwhelming :/

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Armsbend

Imagine just starting the game, like me. All the stuff is mind-boggling. And then I watch all of the 110s with these giant sparkle mounts all over the place and have no idea how any of it works.

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Carebear

You feel that way because the content is different now. You need to complete a certain amount of content each day or you will “lose” that day.

If you dont do your emissaries on alts, if you dont do the ap wqs on alts then they stay behind. If you dont send your class hall missions you lose lot of gold etc

In the past there wasnt anything you MUST do each day. So if you played 1 month only 1 character then next month the other one you had nothing to lose. No dailies, no gated rep…

Now you feel the need to log with every character each day and that may feel like a chore after a while.

Think this as example: you have a warrior and a mage. You play mage from monday to satarday 1 hour each day (6 hours total). Then on sunday you log with warrior and play 10 hours.

In the old wow, warrior would have progressed more than mage in every aspect. In today wow mage will be far better that warrior.

Thats the reason you feel overwhelmed with alts. Because you have to log them all constantly. If you had the freedom to play like the old wow (and most old mmos) you wouldnt feel like this.

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Leviathonlx

Alts don’t get that behind though as AK makes sure they catch up pretty damn fast. Gear isn’t exactly hard to get in Legion so that’s not much of an issue (I just aim for a 910 token a week on each alt which is ~30 mins of time which is a small investment in my eyes). Even artifacts aren’t that big of a deal as Concordance is a small increase (and you get it real quick now) and the level you need for the Crucible will be easily gained by any char in a few weeks with the AK level.

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Carebear

its not about if it is 10 min or 30 min… its about the whole game design that you need to log to do some things before you actually do what you really wanna do..

I may wanna log and do some pet battles today and only that… but first I need to do the daily tasks, or else I will lose the “daily rewards”. I cannot play double time tomorrow and cover the loss. The day is gone, lost.

Some people are fine with it. I have a psychological problem with that :)

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Armsbend

Don’t ever let a game become a job. If you miss out on something then simply miss out on it. No one cares – it all goes away.

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Carebear

I wish it was just that easy to avoid it :) I usually switch between classes regularly, so having them all on par makes sense to me… and to do that, i need to log daily…

You can ignore the carrot for sure, but it doesnt feel “right”… the game shouldnt compell you to log with every class because of “bad” design (almost all modern MMOs revolve around daily rewards, its not just wow… maybe only ESO is different on this..)

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Armsbend

People complain more about modern MMOs than this one though. It’s funny playing this game I see it as a throwback even though everything that came after it shows so much of wow’s design. The slower pace -while not as slow as those before it – can be seen as immersion.

shrug i’m ultimate newb I really know so little about it. Having a decent enough time though so far. cheers!

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David ward

This is my problem. When it came out I played it to cap and needed to take a break for various real life issues. When I came back I had my class campaign, the meta achievements, these world quests, duungeons, crafting and no doubt other things I’ve forgotten. So many things thrown at me and I had forgotten most of what I had learned while leveling my character.

I fumbled around for a while and just gave up.

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