The Daily Grind: Are you ever attracted to MMOs that you know you’ll hate?

As an MMO enthusiast, I have this tendency to cheer games on and be interested in all sorts of titles — even the ones that I know deep down to my bones are not for me. For example, I am not a great fan of PvP-centric MMOs. I don’t resent their existence, but that gameplay is too stressful and fraught with drama for my taste.

Yet I can’t help but be attracted to some of these games because I like the art, the passion, or some of the non-PvP mechanics involved. Crowfall looks gorgeous and I’m all about its eternal kingdoms housing system. Camelot Unchained has such a great team and talent behind it that I feel wistful they aren’t making a PvE game. And I’ve even gone on record as saying that Albion Online’s art style and cross-platform accessibility is pretty cool. What is wrong with me?

Are you ever attracted to MMOs that you know you’ll hate? What do you do with that?

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malrats

Oh, absolutely. Allllll the time.

They’re usually Korean MMOs. I inherently despise them and don’t think I’ve ever played a single one I’ve enjoyed, but they frequently make their gameplay trailers look amazing with beautiful landscapes and armor and what they deceptively make look like fun combat and something different than the usual Korean grind, cash shops, cluttered interface, automatic movement from quest to quest, terrible translation, etc. But, invariably, it’s always the same deal.

So yeah, screenshots and trailers for terrible Korean games often briefly get me before I fully realize what they are.

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Rolan Storm

Black Desert Online, certainly.

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Malcolm Swoboda

Allods (its core), Neverwinter (DND), Star Trek Online (ST), Aion (its soundtrack!). I fall for the themes in themeparks.

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Alex Malone

Sort of.

Both ESO and FFXIV remain tempting options for me. I enjoy the artstyles of both, they are both well supported with large communities and regular content. They both seem like they could be great homes for me.

But, I’ve tried them both. ESO’s combat sucks balls, it is far too basic for my liking and I’m bored within an hour of playing it. FFXIV, the combat is a little more in depth but the zones are too linear, it’s still a boring quest grinder and I know I wouldn’t enjoy it in the long term.

I deal with these urges by strictly sticking to my personal criteria. Over the many years of playing MMOs, I came to identify 4 features that I cannot live without and so I judge all MMOs against that criteria:
* Deep combat system
* Objective-based open world pvp (i.e. fighting over keeps)
* Horizontal progression (at minimum at endgame, but preferably game-wide)
* Strong IP

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Peregrine Falcon

Yep. I still keep wanting to go back and try Star Trek Online.

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Robert Mann

Nope. I might like features or ideas in an MMO while disliking the MMO overall, but I’m never attracted or interested in playing. It’s not hard to know I will not enjoy a game. Or that a game will only meet certain desires, albeit poorly, and will have x for negatives.

That said, I’m a little willing to take risks. If a game has reasons in place to avoid unwanted PvP, I will consider it. I know that if it is allowed at all some people will go there. However, if the motivation to avoid it is enough I tend to find that the really bad behavior is mitigated (those who would do so go elsewhere.) That usually means it costs real money in some way, and that it ‘ruins’ an account (or characters in pay per character monetization as per some upcoming games) by forcing those who grief to play for days without any such actions to recover enough to be able to do much. **AKA, not AA style where breaking the rules was encouraged and alts could be abused to grief lowbies constantly.**

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NeoWolf

All the time, a nice cinematic trailer or a good art style or intriguing setting..all of these things can grab my attention..however experience has taught me that trying to exist and play the way i like in games which are not catered to my taste is inevitably doomed to disappoint.

This PVE care bear does not do well in angry monkey pvp territories hehe

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drgreenhoe

I blame advertisers and friends. They talk some games up so much… and I bite. In the end the poor mechanics or rule-sets quickly drive me out.

I actually has to be good to retain me and my wallet.

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GamingSF

On occasion I have been attracted to PVP-heavy MMOs because I liked the setting or some of the other systems. I tried WAR, Aion and Archeage even though I knew in the long run the lack of PVE server would be a deal-breaker.

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Roger Melly

No but when I was younger I was attracted to women I knew would be bad news . :P

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mistressbrazen

Not really. If a game in development sounds interesting, I will usually read the developer’s news releases and video footage. If the game is in early access, I’ll watch a stream or two. But, by the time the game is released, I know whether I will like it or not. There are certain features that are a no-go for me: open wold pvp; permanent death; the ability of others to destroy what you build. I don’t care how beautiful the graphics are, if the game has lore or good housing, if any of the no-go factors are present, I am not going to buy or down load the game.

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Greaterdivinity

Yep, most of the low effort/budget Asian imports I know I’ll likely dislike going in. But I like giving as many games a shot as I can, so I figure at worst I’m out day or two of playtime confirming my suspicions. But every once in a while there’s a pleasant surprise and I’ll stick around for longer, I figure the small chance of that is worth the minor time investment.

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Witches

CU and Crowfall look great and have features that i would love in a PVE MMO, i actually think they are underthinking their option not to have PVE, they should outsource their PVE versions, just give some other studio the rights to use the IP, assets and systems, give them a % of the profits and you’re good to go.

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Ashfyn Ninegold

I love the dickens out of the concept , systems and classes of ESO, but every time I play it, I come away disinterested. Yet, I love it!

I was feeling a lull recently and picked up Warframe on Steam and really got in to it, even though I’m like 4 on a scale of 1-10 for ability, yet there’s something about it that’s just so, so attractive, I like the story and combat and the open world concept has me intrigued.

For the most part, I’ve just given up on the upcoming crop of games. I’m fine with developers wanting to re-create the past and give us a lot of PvP sandboxes, but I didn’t play the original bunch of PvP oriented games, have no nostalgia for being ganked and no interest in putting time into such games, even with their oh-so-slyly interesting PvE elements.

Watching from afar is the best entertainment these games provide. I’ve certainly gotten a boat-load of entertainment from watching AA’s crash and burn cycle. And EVE, of course, is the best soap opera ever. And who doesn’t chuckle at the Blizz-ban drama in Overwatch? But I’d never play any of these games.

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Loopy

Often. EVE Online is one where i admire it from afar, but grow to be annoyed by it when i play it. It’s a rubber band effect though, i keep coming back as much as i get repelled.

Albion Online is another where i absolutely adore the art style and the premise of the game, but at its core it’s an absolute grind fest and a massive turn off.

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A Dad Supreme

“Are you ever attracted to MMOs that you know you’ll hate? “
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Only attracted in a “Look at this magnificent car wreck about to happen!” kind of way like with the latest Warhammer 40k MMO and the continuing antics of ArcheAge.

But I would never consider purchasing them just to see them blow up from the inside.

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Bobuliss

No. The vast majority of games coming out lately look like hastily thrown together trash or extremely shallow pseudo-MMOs. They hold no interest whatsoever. If I know I will hate a game, why give it a second thought? I do, however, have a lot of interest in games I know I might like, but also know I will never play. GW2 is a good example of this. It looks like a pretty cool game, and I know I might enjoy it, but I simply don’t have enough time and am too entrenched in the games I already play to ever try it.

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Wolfyseyes

Pretty much everything inside of me knew that Revelation Online was going to be an utter bore of a game, but I’ve loved other Korean-style action MMOs so I figured I’d give it a shot.

It’s happened before. I guarantee it’ll happen again. Because I have low self-control and high curiosity when it comes to MMOs.

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Zen Dadaist

Attracted to an MMO I know I’ll hate? No. If I really know I’ll hate it, that’ll put me right off and I won’t find it attractive :p

Attracted to an MMO I’m skeptical about for $reasons, but am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to long enough to give it a go for $otherreasons? Ah now we’re talking. Camelot Unchained is coming up to occupy that niche. Currently it’s held by Warframe. Previously Rift had it.

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Utakata

No. Not really. Plus I stick with the ones I’ll know I like. :)

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Reht

Attracted to a game i know i will hate? No. Occasionally intrigued? Yes. However, “hate” and “not for me” have very different connotations and denotations to me. I will sometimes try out a game that i might think may fall into the “not for me” category if there is an aspect(s) of game-play that i might enjoy. I don’t think i have ever tried a game that i knew i would hate.

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Polyanna

I’m glad that games I have no interest in exist, because that means all the toxic jerks who love them can flock to those games instead of the ones that I play.

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Robert Mann

I wish that worked as well as it sounds… :(

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Paragon Lost

Yes, but the hate for me is more of a frustration. I’ll often go ahead and download/buy an mmo with controls that I know I can’t really do because they’ll make me motion sick. I keep hoping that this one will be the one that won’t make me motion sick. lol. So yeah, those are ones I know I’ll hate because I know I’ll end up laying on my bed for an hour or more with my eyes tightly closed wishing I could die. ;p

Looking at you SWL, ESO, DDO, Crowfall etc etc. ;p

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sophronisba

Against my better judgment, I downloaded BDO. I played it for maybe fifteen minutes before confirming it was not the game for me.

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Reginald Atkins

EVE Online and BDO

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Carebear

I am attracted to almost all sandbox for their virtual worlds and their features and their economies, crafting systems.. but i know i will hate them because of the forced pvp / ganking…

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Robert Mann

Yep, I’m hopeful that the slowly growing trend toward more safe servers for PvE, or options to restrict ganking, will continue. I like the occasional bit of PvP, with some choice in the matter ideally, and with some rules behind the fight.

I mean, the thing I never liked about traditional MMOs is they were all about combat. It feels like a hollow shell of world is the norm, and that really is what drives me toward interest in those systems.

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Bobuliss

Username checks out. =)

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Carebear

Indeed… its carefully chosen without feeling shame about it :)

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Schmidt.Capela

And why should one feel shame about being called a carebear? It just means that the player prefers to avoid senseless violence, and trying to use the term as an insult tells far more about the immaturity of whoever is trying to throw insults than about his or her target.

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Carebear

Indeed! A mature player will see it like you. But the pvp players mostly use that term in a different way! :)

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Utakata

And it’s not a bad thing either. /shrug :)

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Melissa McDonald

Sure, a lot of them. Then I hear those “stranger danger” buzzwords like ‘sandbox’ and ‘PvP’, and I shed a tear and turn away… etc.

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wratts

Sometimes I’ll get curious about one of the F2P Korean MMOs that put out a good trailer, but I know deep down will be sparkly nonsense even before I try them. Case in point yesterday I felt the urge to at least try out Revelation Online even though I knew it wouldn’t stick with me, just because I thought the trailers and aesthetic looked nice. As it happens, the game doesn’t support inverted mouselook, so it didn’t last 15 minutes for me

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Schmidt.Capela

Attracted, yes. I love reading about games, including games I’m keenly aware I will never be able to enjoy. The main example, for me, is EVE; I would really love it if it was a PvE-only game, or even a single-player game, but with its current PvP focus there’s absolutely no chance I will ever try it again.

I don’t attempt to play them anymore, though. With one exception, games where everything that drives me away happens during the endgame, but if I’m playing a game like that I will do my best to not spend any money with the game; no sense getting boosters or the like because I want to avoid reaching the endgame, and no reason to get anything else because I’m always keenly aware that I won’t last long in the game.

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Bobuliss

How would pve games generate anything to read about? The drama and amazing stories are created by people clashing with other people. Reading about a pve game would be like flipping through a wheat farmer’s diary.

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Schmidt.Capela

First, things to read about don’t need to be about player antics; I love reading about game development, what make games tick. This can involve players — some of the most interesting reads I’ve had were about the ways in which some of the core UO early systems failed due to the devs being grossly wrong in their player behavior predictions — but it doesn’t have to.

Second, there are lots of interesting stories about cooperative accomplishments, with many of them only even possible in a game that abolishes non-consensual PvP. Perhaps you find stories about speedruns, absurd in-game creations, RP events, celebrations, etc, to be boring; I usually don’t.

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Robert Mann

You… have never dealt with some of the incredible player generated PvE events then.

There’s room for all sorts of struggles without relying on PvP. Sure, you won’t get the backstabbing politics, or the gank swarms. On the other hand, I’ve seen cooperative efforts to build huge structures or have an actual theater in a game. Given the willingness of a developer to risk it, AI could actually take over areas of landmass, giving enemy armies to compete with, and making plenty of potential narrative with cities lost, founded, etc.

It takes more investment and effort for a lot of that, than just backstabbing people. That doesn’t mean it is impossible.

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Sally Bowls

Camelot Unchained and EVE

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Rheem Octuris

Its not a matter of hating them, just knowing they’re not to your taste gameplay-wise. That doesn’t mean it also can’t appeal to you in some ways. There are a lot of games I want to like that I simply don’t enjoy, such as Eve Online for example, that appeal to me. But every time I try to go back I just walk away again for the same reasons I did the first time. That said, I still enjoy reading about what is going on with the game and take joy from it.

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Arktouros

Nope. Even if my guild is all over the moon over what I consider to be a bad game I’m not going to play it. Ultimately games are selfish in the sense that we play them to enjoy ourselves and have fun and playing a game you aren’t going to have fun in is a huge waste of your time.

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Pandalulz

Albion and Crowfall both have art aesthetics that I adore but very little to make me interested in them as games.

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Serrenity

EVE here. I LOVE sci-fi, and I’ve wanted to play a firefly-style MMO for the longest time, but I can never get into it, despite trying. The last time I tried, the corp leader said that I had about 6-8 months of being bored my skull before the game got any fun. I can do with some grind, but that was too much.

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Bobuliss

That corp leader was either uninformed or was a sullen bittervet. People can have fun and be useful in fleets day one.

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Serrenity

Maybe? But as a newbie, I have no way of knowing if it was BS or not

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Leontes

What can I say… – After all, I play …MMORPGs.

More to the point, the most blatant example of this love/hate-relationship being Black Desert. It has all the things I love. And all the things I hate. Sorry, beautiful, I cannot stay, but I cannot let go neither…

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Robert Mann

BDO has a lot of interesting ideas and systems… and a lot of issues. I’d love to have a game similar to it, but with actual world development and economy, for example.

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deekay_plus

themepark mmo’s. >> especially ones predicated on doing alot of instanced content. i play the genre for the opposite of that for open worlds with big populations. and yet i’m a sucker for typical themepark mmo even tho i resist doing the very content they generally push as hard as possible at endgame.

whil the so called sandbox genre hasn’t had many offerings of interest at all whatsoever for the most part or the ones that were there like repopulation have become unappealing for w/e reason.

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Robert Mann

Half the ‘sandbox’ MMOs were really just themeparks with gardens you could plant in the world anyway, it is pretty sad. I’m hopeful that we will at least see the idea of more interaction with the world and added systems carry on… rather than just another set of combat centric instances. :)

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Dantos

Eve – I just find the concept and stories interesting, but the gameplay bland and tedious

Survival sandbox games (Ark, Conan, ect) – I want to like them, since they seem to be the current ‘thing’ but I know Ill fall into the mindset of “why am I doing this again?”, that and im not creative at all, and I know Ill hate anything I build.

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Suikoden

Not necessarily games that I know I’ll hate, but games that I know I will not be able to compete in given my current RL situation. For example, games very group heavy, regardless of whether I’d love them or not, are hard for me because of my limited time, and propensity to go afk. I can do scheduled group activities, but rarely can I at a whim. But I will still be drawn to them, and I like the idea of them, but alas it becomes too hard to compete in them. Camelot Unchained sounds interesting though because it sounds very guild heavy, but at the same time something in which any type of player can participate in if they want. I will probably give that a shot. I still remember the day they hit their kickstarter goal and Gary’s interview with Mark Jacobs.

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Ravven

I’m always a sucker for gorgeous open-world games, doubly so if they have an interesting mechanic such as naval trading/exploration or animal breeding and training. These MMOs always seem to come with open-world pvp though, and griefers are why we can’t have nice things. :)

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Robert Mann

Yep. At least a few games have noted that griefing and PvP are issues they need to find some means to address. Not that they are there yet.

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Melissa McDonald

ahhmen
ahhhhmen
ahh-ahh-ahh-ahhh-MEN

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Rick Mills

I see what you did there…

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Xijit

Yeah …. Pretty much every “Survival Evolved” type game.

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deekay_plus

i got tempted to buy pubg the other day knowing that even tho it doesn’t have the rust/ark progression bullshit it’s likely a game that will not be compatable with my regular but short afk breaks.

that and afaik you get seperated from the server when you die so would be hard to manage amongst my friends i suspect? idk.

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thickenergy

In the group gameplay I’ve watched it looks like your dead teammates still get to spectate. So they’re helping spot and such.

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deekay_plus

hmm that might be doable to an extent. only one guy in guild has expressed interest. but some irl friends of mine play and quite like it, having similar complaints about how the survival genre has gone since rust as i do.

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Rick Mills

Eve online – There’s an invisible bungee cord attached to me. I keep coming back and hating it, then a few months later coming back again. I was so thankful when they made the free levels so I could get a quick taste of “Oh yeh, thats why I hate this game” without creating yet another email alias…

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