Global Chat: Not that impressed by Destiny 2

Destiny 2’s recent PC beta certainly brought out curious players in droves, and MMO bloggers couldn’t help but share their opinions on this next evolution of the sci-fi shooter franchise — even if those opinions weren’t too positive.

“It proved to be a deeply disappointing experience,” Superior Realities said. “Not because of anything wrong with the game, but because the beta offered such a small sliver of it as to be entirely pointless.”

Endgame Viable just doesn’t get it: “I know I’m going to regret this, but: What’s all the hype about? I didn’t hate it, but Destiny 2 looked and played like every other shooter.”

How would you respond to those observations? While you think about it, let’s look past D2: The Mighty Space Ducks to more essays on Elder Scrolls Online, EverQuest II, and the dinosaurs of ARK: Survival Evolved.

To be fair, stopping isn't the worst idea.

Inventory Full: A rush and a push in EverQuest and EverQuest II

“I’m aware of the paradox in preferring the journey to the destination, while still welcoming anything which gets me through it faster. Although, looked at more closely, perhaps its not such a paradox after all. The upper levels in many MMOs aren’t so much a journey as a forced march. Even after all these years of what’s generally imagined to be a downward spiral of difficulty and commitment, every one of the later levels in both the EverQuest titles take hours rather than minutes.”

Gaming SF: Approaches to story in MMORPGs

“So story isn’t all about exploration it seems; it can be tied to progression and character development, it can be the focus for less casual social interactions or even a background to or excuse for competitive gameplay.”

Z for Zeirah: More dinos!

ARK is really interesting in that there’s no real end goal, it’s completely up to you what you do and where you go, so there’s a lot of exploring to be done. A little secret here, I’m scared deep water in real life, and that fear is actually coming across into the game a little. I get really jumpy when we go out on our raft and if I’m steering we tend to hug the coast even though the danger isn’t any less.”

MMO Juggler: Slow (re)start in Elder Scrolls Online

ESO is a beautiful game; it looks absolutely fantastic everywhere. Doing the intro quests in Morrowind and investigating inside houses, I found stunning design and layouts. This elaborate painting is one of five or six different ones, background scenery most players run by on the way to finding the thingamajig for a quest.”

Contains Moderate Peril: Lockboxes

“Ultimately, lockboxes are symptomatic of game developers struggling to find a universally acceptable means to finance their game. The demise of the subscription model has left many MMOs in the thrall of an unsatisfactory hybrid F2P business models that have done precious little to improve the overall quality of the games.”

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Loyheta
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I ended up picking up the deluxe because a group of my friends are going to play it. I imagine it will be more of the same and I’ve heard that it is short and the raids are a pain…. but yeah I’ll get it to play with my friends. >.<

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Cadaver

I always enjoy reading these blog posts. I really ought to make a point of bookmarking them!

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Reselect Name

Does Destiny 2 offer any new game play or is it just more of the same?

Destiny 1 sounded boring.

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kelathos .

As a PC gamer whose previous console was a Wii… and before that a PS2, I’ve no idea what Destiny really is or how it plays. I am quite curious about the sort of experience it offers.

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dixa

It is a looter shooter pseudo mmorpg. Think Defiance or The Division which are the only other two looter shooters to come out in the post Tabula Rasa age. You can pretty much do all of the same activities you can in WoW except craft. They even have their own versions of mythic+ now, but you do it in an FPS format. It is actually quite a good game but just like defiance and the division and nearly every other mmorpg if you do not have friends to play with you may not enjoy it.

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mysecretid

I’m loving Destiny 2, but then, I sort of knew what to expect from it, in general.

A number of the people expressing disappointment in the game seem to have gotten caught up in the pre-release “hype effect”, and somehow believed that D2 was going to be some sort of startling, industry-staggering departure from the norm.

Then there’s what I call the “disdain vanity”; people who seem to believe that they’re somehow more intelligent, or more discerning, if they dislike something popular..

I have no problem with people saying that any game is not to their liking, but when bloggers start writing op/ed pieces about “how Game X was such an eyerolling disappointment to anyone who wasn’t an ignorant, easily-placated gamer-peasant”, I have to wonder who they’re hoping to impress.

My opinions, anway,

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Mikey's Bored

Agreed 100%

Similar attitude happened with Mass Effect: Andromeda, a game that despite its flaws was a very good game that even improved upon the series mechanically. But, it’s become popular to hate on what’s popular, as you just said.

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dixa

It was a very good game on its own, but it was departed from Shephard and that universe by quite a bit. Wanna-be hipster bloggers don’t adapt to change very well.

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mysecretid

Mass Effect:Andromeda had it’s flaws, sure, but the level of backlash against the game was far, far out of proportion to its sins, in my opinion.

The company even put out a patch to mitigate the wonky character animation bits everyone was blood-raging about, but it didn’t seem to matter; the lynch mob had already spoken. :-(

Cheers,

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Godnaz

Destiny 2 doesn’t interest me. Read plenty of reviews to know many things were done right, some others not so much. It’s marketing team are the true MVP’s.

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Leontes

So here I am, reading, commenting this comment and continue to hate myself for it, not that it matters…

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wratts

I think the only thing that really feels missing to me from Destiny is a sense of agency in the single player. I think it’s because Destiny seems to try to straddle the line between RPG-shooter and traditional FPS, and from what little I can tell while there’s a fair amount of RPG style character customization, but when you play through the story it seems like it’ll follow the COD style “run from nav point to nav point with cutscenes in the middle”. Not the worst thing in the world, but it wouldn’t have killed them to go more Mass Effect with the narrative

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Denice J. Cook

As far as ” it wouldn’t have killed them to go more Mass Effect with the narrative” goes, Bungie tried that with Destiny 1, and Activision chopped it all up, threw most of it out, and made them revamp the whole thing.

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Melissa McDonald

I totally dig the dinosaurs in ARK. And if you get into the water? new horrors await, like “megapiranha”, and much, much worse.

It’s delightful :)

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Cypher

It’s a console shooter! Expecting it to be any deeper than a puddle is really pushing the boundaries of gullibility… or possibly a credit to their marketing department.

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Bannex

I’ve played a ton of shooters. I generally hate shooters and I detest playing them on console. Granted I got into destiny 1 after the taken king but holy shit did I play the hell out of the game.

To call a game “deeply disappointing”, then say there is nothing wrong with the game and then blast the open beta for not being big enough is beyond ridiculous.

I’m not coming at this as a destiny fan but seriously watch one gameplay video, you’d know if you’re going to like it or not.

Make me play a rts game and I’d be happy to tell you how deeply disappointed I am and how they all play the same.

You know what’s not deeply disappointing? Divinity original sin 2.

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ensignedwards

I didn’t say the game was deeply disappointing. I said the beta was. There’s a difference.

Let’s not be naive here. A short open beta like that isn’t meant to test or generate feedback. It’s an advertisement. And in this case it was a very poor advertisement because it didn’t give me anything approaching a clear impression of the game. It’s not even a matter of scale, although it was incredibly brief, but also how it was presented. Like a two minute “story so far” video would have done wonders.

I have nothing against Destiny 2. It’s probably a fine game. All I’m saying is they didn’t do a very good job of selling it to me.

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Bannex

From the way the comment posted above read, it sounded like the game and since the beta has been over for like a month I figured this was a little more up to date. I think I speak for a lot of us that doesn’t bother to click the link to your article when I say we are all a bit confused why we’re just now talking about the beta.

Sure the beta was short but that’s about all you can say about it. They didn’t give you enough of the game (which I’m assuming is you’re point) to accurately judge anything about the game except for the nuts and bolts combat mechanics.

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ensignedwards

Justin does seem to have a habit of trying to present my articles in the most confrontational manner possible and thus giving an unfair impression of them, but at the same time, you should always read something before commenting on it. Otherwise you’re just going to look silly.

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Bannex

Didn’t*

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mjayg

Really found the beta disappointing as well. Just not enough there especially if you are more into PvE (like me) than PvP. Still, I enjoyed what there was in the beta and also the first game on my old 360 so going to play. Looks like lots of guildmates and other friends are to so there’s that.

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Rottenrotny

It’s not like every shooter. It’s got a high production value and polish. Also it builds upon the classic Halo combat style which is very smooth, easy to get into but hard to perfect.
+the sci-fi element really makes it more attractive to me.

The beta itself was way too limited though. Basically just a tiny teaser to build hype.

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Armsbend

No offense but your description kinda said it is like every shooter – with polish. You literally said it is like Halo – a 20 year old game.

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Bannex

It’s like country music. To a non fan it all sounds like twangy truck and beer songs. To the ravenous listener they can tell you the difference between Garth and Dierks and look at you with disdain while doing it.

Tldr;genres have their nuances.

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Sally Bowls

IMO, that should make ATVI shareholders happy. Activision-Blizzard has made billions on derivative games that “merely” work well, e.g. WoW. It turns out that customers seem to like their purchases to work well.

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A Dad Supreme

I think D2 is basically Destiny, with more of the things the original Destiny fans wanted.

Bungie sold millions of copies so I’m sure they didn’t want to do a total reset of the franchise by making something so different even if there was a chance people would love it more. Besides, they had years of experience with the Halo series to realize if you change things too much, fans will leave, but if you give people more of the same with improvements, you’ll keep your core audience.

Not sure why so many bloggers are crying over this; the game isn’t made for individuals, it’s made for the collective of Destiny fanbase as a whole.

That said, I wasn’t a Destiny fan because of the first person, flying wire, vertigo-inducing combat and animations, but the game is very well made and simply seeks to make what they did well… better.

TLDR; if you liked Destiny, you’ll more than likely like D2. If you didn’t like Destiny, nothing in the game will change your mind.

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Rees Racer

I would have hoped the Destiny 2 beta might have offered a bit more incentive to see, well, more. It played like almost every other shooter (realistic, sci-fi, fantasy…whatever) I’ve played for years. Never would I begrudge anyone who thoroughly enjoys it, and lot of those in my gaming community are excited for the PC release. But I found it…underwhelming. I am more curious to see what Bioware does with Anthem, or if it’s even as remotely similar as some think it will be.

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rafterman

Here’s the thing, though. If it played like every other shooter it wouldn’t be nearly as successful. It’s popular because nothing else like it really exists and it fills that void. The closest thing is probably The Division which isn’t really Sci-Fi.

And before someone brings up Warframe, which is the popular title to compare it to, they aren’t really remotely similar kinds of games.

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Raimo Kangasniemi

I would say Division’s setting is classic near future Sci-Fi, Destiny and Warframe are of the more futuristic Sci-fi, but both fall under science fiction.

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Armsbend

Both are co-op shooters with space ninjas. That is “remotely similar” by every definition.

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rafterman

They’re both video games, too! OMG, you’re right…they are so similar!

Gears of War could fit that same definition, is it similar to Destiny also?

The fact is the games are only similar if you’re being intentionally obtuse. They don’t play similar, they don’t have similar mechanics, they don’t have similar gameplay hooks.

Like I said, the only game in the Destiny sphere is the Division. Next would be Borderlands, which is far removed but vastly more comparable than Warframe.

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Rees Racer

The phrase “remotely similar” is nearing meme territory in this thread. I try to choose my words carefully so to either not offend anyone, and/or remain ambiguous enough to allow some flexibility. But sometimes, it’s just the way I talk or write. Most FPS/shooters have something unique in them, and I love sci-fi settings…but I guess if I want another gun-porn/co-op/loot-whore/bullet sponge type of game, I’ll wait for Borderlands 3 (or see what Anthem has to offer.) I am so glad to see a great many people enjoying Destiny 2, though.

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Dividion

I hadn’t intended to get Destiny 2, but it came with a video card I bought, so I tried the intro mission during that beta period. I thought the level was well designed, and the PC controls were so much better than using a console controller (which is why I never got far in Destiny I). But then the mission ended, and there was no way to continue the story.

I’ll definitely hop back in when it goes live, but I’ll likely only play for the story.

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Estranged

So, opinions are based on a tiny beta sampling. Gotcha.

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Sally Bowls

Yes. In fact, a tiny PC beta sampling, so on a platform that zero percent of the D1 customers used.

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Estranged

Sally – just doesnt seem like enough information to form a good opinion.

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John Mynard

If you are a new player for the Destiny franchise, probably.

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