Players express anger over Lord of the Rings Online adding high-end gear to lockboxes

Long ago, Lord of the Rings Online first experimented with having stats on gear you can buy for real money. We bring this up here because… well, let’s unpack the latest patch’s lockboxes as players understand them. These lockboxes drop in numbers sufficient to build a house out of, but they can only be opened with keys. As you probably expect, the keys are bought with real money (or earned in horribly slow increments through play). And what’s within the lockboxes? Why… best-in-slot gear for the next patch’s dungeon?

Yes, this is the system players have found in the current test server for the game’s next update, and it has players up in arms for reasons that should be immediately obvious. Several threads are running in which players ask for Standing Stone Games to reconsider this system or alter the mechanics, since this system makes your chances at acquiring good upgrades almost entirely reliant on spending money on lockboxes… even if you actually like and enjoy the endgame. So that’s not going over well.

Source: Official Forums (1, 2, 3); thanks to Tobias for the tip!
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Melissa McDonald

None of this interferes with me enjoying playing the video game. I guess my priorities are different. I simply don’t care about lockboxes. In LOTRO they supplied me with my best gear until I hit Supreme tailoring tier and my crafted gear began to rival or surpass the Mathom-Hunter’s armour I got from chests and boxes. And it was good gear. Maybe in other games you are ‘gambling’ but in LOTRO I’ve gotten a lot of nice items from those chests.

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Mewmew

The Lock Box invasion is real. No matter what game you are in, don’t be too smug and happy and brag that your game doesn’t have them. They will hear you. They will invade.

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Utakata

In WoW they’ve been around since the day the game was released. And they always dropped stat gear. Though thankfully, players where allowed to roll a class that could always open them. I feel very sorry for all those other games that don’t have that. /sigh

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keyvis

It’s the only way to open lock-boxes in WoW actually. You can’t buy keys in cash-shop to open those.

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Cadaver

The spirit of Sauron endures in Mordor :(

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rafael12104

Ah… the old “Key Gambit”. It will fail miserably like the many others and it may take a toll on the game from which it doesn’t recover.

Good thing it is on the test server. Maybe they will do the right thing.

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GumpsGang

I understand the “debate” on if is there should be alternate ways to earn the instance gear (NOT raid gear). I can go either way, group play only vs a path for solo players.

Why is my LOTRO experience seem to be different? I just earn the keys a daily reward in-game, it does not take much to do this once you and finished Mordor content. If you have not made it that far yet, then don’t worry about the keys. You don’t need to buy them (unless you have a lot of extra LP to burn).

FYI — There is a clarification on the LOTRO form the Executive Producer posted on 10/5, well before this article was posted. Go read it to get the overview of what the plans are once the raid gear is out (patch 3).

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Melissa McDonald

Amen

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odin valhalla

It was always going to get to this point, it was always a matter of when. Im surprised its taken this long honestly, this game has been the extremely monitized. You can buy class skills (for creeps) legendary traits for weapons, passive class perks on and on and on and on. Turbine (which SSG has admitted ran the show) has telegraphed and executed this strategy for years.

Anyone telling you they are shocked or feigning that they are aghast by this either is new to the title or isnt being authentic. You can buy levels in this game, by passing a lot of the content. This is hardly a surprising outcome. Im still really happy for the players and turbine for getting to mordor, I never thought they would so kudos to that. Let them wring out the whales some more.

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Knox Harrington

Are they trying to kill what’s left of the player base because this is how you kill what’s left of your player base

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Bannex

FINALLY! now I don’t have to play that stupid game I can just grab mom’s wallet and be sweet

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draugris

It´s stupid and it´s annoying, i am a big LotRO fan but i don´t understand this move. Hopefully this does not hit live.

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Golconde

I kind of felt that way when they first introduced the LoTRO store.

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Alyn

This is not a good sign, is it?

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silverlock

They everybody remember when we all though games with cash shops where the bad guys. Man those where the good old days.

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MesaSage

I guess I’m so numb to the constant money grabs that it doesn’t bother me so much.

That or maybe because I’m not playing Mordor yet.

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dixa

It won’t end here. See: sto lockboxes, SWTOR cxp and I’m sure many others. While SWTOR doesn’t require real world money to acquire good luck getting the xp at a decent enough clip without a sub or boosters.

I was considering finally doing Mordor since there is a couple weeks to D2, but my motivation just wanted substantially and I am a lifetime account from launch

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Mallus

I don’t see a problem with pay to win: some players have allot of time to play the game (maybe live in their parents basement & don’t work), some players have allot of money (work full time job for example, but little time to play). With a pay to win system the player with allot of time to play the game can still get the best gear & the person with little time to play but allot of money can also get the best gear. Also don’t forget that the person buying their gear is supporting the development of the game the non buyers play for free…

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dixa

The game already has this . Buy lotto points, buy hot ticket items from the store, sell them for gold, use gold on auction house.

This is just another layer

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wakkander

I would imagine they are struggling to profit running two long in the tooth games, and lockboxes regardless of what you think of them are good for that. (Before anyone comes in saying they will quit, or won’t buy them, etc. It doesn’t matter, the market has shown enough players will compared to those who won’t.) Get in on the gold rush before regulation comes along and ends it.

I still question the future of ssg, at least in as far as providing long term meaningful content. I just haven’t heard much from them in terms of long term plans for the company.

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Schlag Sweetleaf

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rafael12104

It is scary! Lol!

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Greaterdivinity

Ouch. I know LOTRO has sold mid-level gear in the past, but this is bad.

Now to wonder if this comes due to pressure from DBG somehow or if SSG is simply hurting for money after the Mordor expansion. Oh well, still shitty no matter what, hopefully they remove the gear by the time the patch makes it to live servers.

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Bryan Turner

This is very shady for a game I held in high regard. I guess this makes all those comments about Tyria Waypoint Unlocks seem rediculously melodramatic in comparison.

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dixa

Rift is still the worst – having to buy earring slots after you had them for three years. I will never go back to that game no matter how many free copies I am tossed because of that.

It’s not the same as extra hot bars with your sub – you have to buy the earring slots whether you sub or not!

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taradyne

You don’t anymore, they are all free.

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Paragon Lost

It’s already that way though, you really start to struggle in Mordor even while leveling if you don’t have LoE (Light of Elendil) and Finesse on gear. The random item drops from mobs are really low and most of the time not the gear that you can use.

Problem is the gear that does drop randomly is bound to you. So you can’t pass this gear on to alts either, all you can do is deconstruct it with a Crystal to get ashes that once your 112th level or higher you can spend on gear.

It’s a really crappy system so far from my experience with two characters in the area, one at cap and one at 110th. I had been hoarding the boxes to see how many I got and finally just went and bought 20 keys to open them all on my 110th character a Rune Keeper who has been struggling in the area, the gear from those boxes at least gave him enough LoE that he’s doing ok, but that’s with him being two to three levels higher than the mobs.

Oh and the gear that drops is almost always lacking finesse and no essence slot. So you’re struggling right away as you replace your previous gear from the last cap and lose all finesse you had. Also the problem is made worse for some classes, not all classes are struggling in Mordor but those who depend on Tactical Mastery appear to have a lot more issues.

I watch hunters, burgs and champions just chew their way through the content for example. All of them use Physical Mastery. Though they also still have to deal with the lack of finesse on gear issue.

I really dislike loot boxes, they’re a blight upon the gaming industry and I want them to go away. I’m just pointing out since the release of Mordor it’s really apparent by the huge increase in loot box drops that that’s where they want this to go. So I’m confused that folks are raising hell about it now instead of at Mordor’s release. I know I bitched about the amount and the gear right away. (shrugs)

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Raidervc

Mines of Moria was THE MMO experience that sold me on MMOs. It was so atmospheric and special, and to this day I can vividly remember so much of it. It breaks my heart to see where the game has gone since then.

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Coolit

There are some lines you just don’t cross.

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silverlock

They not everyone hates it, I hear Goldman Sachs loves the idea.

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Castagere Shaikura

Welcome to the world of the modern mmo. Even mmos with a subscription model are jumping on the lockbox money grab now.

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Nathan Aldana

more like. welcome to modern capitalism. If other industries could get away with lockboxes they would.

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silverlock

Oh to bad you need bypass surgery but your lockbox’s only had treatments gallstones and broken bones. Would like like to buy some more?

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Jack Pipsam

After what they pulled with not giving the advertised expansion race with the actual expansion, is anyone shocked by Standing Stone?

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Baldigar Stumblefoot

Edit: Looking in to it a bit more, I may be wrong when it comes to Bullroarer.

If we’re talking about Gorgoroth Steel-bound Lockboxes, as far as I understand them, they don’t have best-in-slot stats. Ilvl 328, I believe, is the best, and that comes in chunks from crafting, allegiance trade, and maybe a few Ash trades. I haven’t opened a huge number of the boxes, because they didn’t seem worth it; they have a relatively small amount of ash, some daily-processed crafting materials, and some relatively bad but reasonable starter gear for each level.

I could be wrong, but I really don’t think they do have the best stuff. They may increase drops with 21.2, but I haven’t seen any indication on those patch notes that they will. This may just be a perception thing, due to the fact that yes, they are fairly inaccessible and maybe people don’t have the best grasp of what does really drop from them and it may just be hearsay.

And feel free to correct me, I haven’t been playing a ton recently (been busy with GW2’s PoF), so they may have changed some things, or players may have finally gotten rarer drops or something.

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Vincent Clark

The exec producer replied in one of the threads and confirmed that items dropping in the loot-boxes will be equivalent to items that have “a chance” dropping in the upcoming raid.

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Paragon Lost

What classes did you run (And were you soloing that content mostly) through Mordor to the cap, I’m curious. You see, for my second character I found the damn boxes a must because I needed to get Light of Elendil because my second character was struggling badly and that was true even with him being two levels on average higher than the mobs.

On a lark I took all the boxes I didn’t use that my first character got while getting to the cap and gave them to the second. Twenty boxes btw and then bought keys for every damn one just to replace his last cap’s gear with gear with LoE. I also hoarded every Essence that had Finesse on it and put it in the couple of the items that actually had an Essence slot to recover from all the lost Finesse since SSG isn’t putting freaking Finesse in most of the gear I’m finding so far as I level up.

So between being two or three levels higher than the mobs, the new loot box gear with with now having over 100 LoE and the Finesse I’ve been able to put on him he’s now doing ok in the second zone he’s just now hitting. :/ My first character went through those zones fine as an aside though as a tank it was slow going with the lower dps. I engaged as many mobs as possible and seldom died whereas my other character died so often I lost track.

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Baldigar Stumblefoot

My main (and really only class) to go through the content properly was blue hunter, which I know is fairly/very powerful atm. But that’s why I did it. Doesn’t give me a proper perspective, I’ll admit that, so maybe the lootboxes are more useful than I’ve found, especially for earlier on. But I’ve mainly been leveling some of my alts with 100%-200% xp boosts and turning in tasks, afterwhich I’ll just be able to kinda max them out on gear and Light from 112/115 crafted stuff. I may run through it all again properly when I can get the High Elf from the store.

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Paragon Lost

Yep hunters rock currently. I didn’t find much use in the loot boxes with my champion when he went through, I ended up saving all but the first three that I opened just to see how many I’d get by the time I hit 115th.

Basically physical mastery is in a good place currently in LotRO from what I can see, it’s tactical mastery that’s taking the hit. Though I hear that blue line Loremasters (pet focused) are doing well enough.

As I mentioned, once I opened 20 plus loot boxes with my Rune Keeper he became more manageable in first zone. Got his Light of Elendil up to around 100, problem was taking the hit to Finesse hurt. I had 3 items that had essense slots and I put Finesse in all three to compensate for the loss of Finesse. I’m still much lower than I want and it’s still really easy to die with my Rune Keeper. :/

As an aside, a lot of sloppy written code in reference to objects and moving around combined with how dark it is in many sections of Mordor makes for a real pain in the ass.

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Paarthurnax Dragonhearth

Game is almost dead …. they need to make a quick buck before the last nail in the coffin !

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andrew saunders

I don’t know which server you played on but the two I play on Landroval and Evernight are still very busy .

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Tobasco da Gama

Oh, well.

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jealouspirate

Even before this bad move LOTRO’s best days have come and gone. A shame, I still like this game a lot for the overall atmosphere of the world.

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Angel

I’m so sad every time I hear about LOTRO any more. What was once an amazing game to explore has become a sad shadow of itself. I really wish someone else could do right by middle earth.

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deekay_plus

sounds like the logical progression whence partnering with daybreak.

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birini

I was going to say the same. This just feels like a Daybreak idea.

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Legend Of Vinny T

Daybreak? This is straight out of the Perfect World playbook.

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Paragon Lost

Heh, great point, though I’m sure Daybreak won’t mind saying that it’s there standard operating procedure as well.

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wratts

I was just wondering if we could blame the DBG publishing deal for this. Seems like the sort of thing a company backed by Russian mobsters would do

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deekay_plus

eh it started under smed really. it’s a long road of progress on this front from them.

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