Watch Star Citizen’s CitizenCon 2017 here, plus check out alpha progress in Around the Verse

In this week’s episode of Star Citizen’s Around the Verse, the team says it’s gotten its must-fix bug list down from 20 to 16 blocks, improving load times, repairing disconnection issues, and tweaking inventory use. The feature segment of the episode is the second part of last week’s legacy armor, how the team is updating (really, re-doing them) for the latest tech, and even how the team is working the older-looking armor into the lore.

Meanwhile, CitizenCon 2017 officially opened its doors just an hour ago in Frankfurt, Germany, where attendees are being treated to science panels, booze, dev demos, booze, playable demos of alpha 3.0, more booze, and of course, presentations by Chris Roberts himself. Watch the opening ceremonies below!

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Geo Kavu

Ahahahah..
Ok this is getting ridiculous.
I’d totally get it that they’d stop announcing dates altogether.
It makes sense, they make a huge game and they’ve been missing their estimates in a spectacular manner so far. Not by days, not my months. By years.
But changing their model to a date-driven one.. Damn.
That’s either PR bullshit or means a very deep restructuring is taking place within the studio.

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Joe Blobers

No restructuring involved but Delta patcher working as expected after extensive test allowing release of contents each time a build with more contents is stable enough for release. This is also a sign they are doing good progress overall with their pipelines production and feel confortable to do so.
Let see how it translate every three months during 2018 and what type of new gameplay involving professions like mining and salvaging works together with NPC’s interaction.

2018 will definitively be a key year to prepare future swap to something allowing a change from Alpha to Beta.

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roo woods

🚀 #CitizenCon 2947 is now officially underway!

I am looking at the picture and I can’t see a single woman in it .

Maybe it is just that most female gamers have enough common and fiscal sense not to invest in a pyramid scheme .

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Joe Blobers

Roo Wood an sense of logic: No women = pyramid scheme…. or how to take any signs in favor of a single oriented word that is a bit hard to shoot by those day: Scam :)

Breaking news: We noticed that many backers get dressed in black which is a clear sign of imminent CIG collapse… :)

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possum440 .

I realize there are a few big money makers out there with tons of disposable income, I got lucky with investment and retiring. My house is nearly paid off, I retired at 40, no vehicle debt, no CC debt but I could buy another decent house with one of my CC’s. But I simply refuse to invest money into something I do not own physically, it makes no sense. A slight boast but more to let readers see where my thought process is with this company and it’s advertising to draw in gamer’s.

That said, I wonder how many gamer’s, not in the position a few of us are….just how badly have these gamer’s gone into debt with this unreleased game and buying pixel ships they will never own.

It staggers the imagination that so many gamer’s have gone into debt for this game. It is pure nonsense to think many have not.

I would be truly curious as to any that have the balls to come forward and state they have spent far and away over their income or are on their 15th CC to buy ships and packages.

Because I would bet there are more than a few.

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Joe Blobers

Quote Possum440:”I wonder how many gamer’s, not in the position a few of us are….just how badly have these gamer’s gone into debt…. It is pure nonsense to think many have not. ”

You have categories of individual who can managed both their patience and income. Those are the best investors, consumers and backers on the planet.

On the opposite some other that don’t care so much about what they spend, either spend less elsewhere or get in trouble for a time. They buy car, motocycle, house, vacation… anything they can’t afford without a credit.

I bet my salary that a very few percentage (zero dot something) are throwing money they don’t have in MMO’s to the point to be in trouble.

Your sentence “It is pure nonsense to think many have not” is 100% speculation and in no case can depict one specific company as being evil. If you can’t manage impulse, prepare yourself to pay even more for it.

With SC you can see the total amount of $ you pledge either through package, standalone ship or subscription. Many MMO’s don’t have a counter, guess why? Players are spending a few $ or 10’s$ here an there. After few years this account for hundred or thousands and no way to know how much you paid in total unless you keep track or your expenses. Again CIG is not the evil that few try to depict.

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Armsbend

40. That is fantastic! Enjoy your life! I’m sure you are!

I made some mistakes concerning debt and video games in my youth. You are 100% correct in assuming some folks are making serious life errors on this one. Star Citizen is all about getting caught up in the spending vortex. In this case – for nothing.

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Tufao

So easy to make and “deliver” cities entirely, just like they did, with exterior and interiors, as demonstrated by this “totally legit” tool/demo.
But so hard to make and deliver a couple of tiny outposts:

This team can’t help itself LoL

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Tufao

This will never be a MMO. This (not the game as a whole, just this) won’t be ready before 2025. And they will need, by their standards, 2 billion dollars to come to the point that the today’s demo is showing (even featureless like that). Just reality of game development.

The same stunt have been repeated by this team again and again and again. I loved how in purpose they prsented something, not actually stating that it will make the things coming faster, but, making backers to spread the word in such way, when there is nothing really incredible going on, just a tech to generate a few maps and interiors, but that still needs a huge level of manual work to make it funcional in-game.

Nothing really unusual, but used to create such bait-and-switch message to attract ignorant people. It was glorious, by the way, when Roberts told the public that no game have this scale (forgetting what was demo’ed in Beyond Good and Evil 2). But, once again, another bait-and-switch message to mislead the public to the mistake. He is right. No game have this delivered in such scale. And that includes Star Citizen of course.

It’ s a demo to share an idea. It’s not development progress. It’s bullshit. Any dev can create this thing in a month if his focus is to win 2 million dollars of JPEG sales based on just that. It does not need to be realistic. It does not need to run in realistic environment. Old old old stunt that is so low, that not even evil publishers are using that too much these days, because, press is not acting as “good guys” when looking to their games anymore, the same “good guys” eyes they look when talk about this project, in general, not really for any reason, except that they hate the possibility of “publisher business model” be the only way of deliver good, more complete, games.

Meanwhile, AtV shows the reality. The team struggling to fix what should be a lot less than 0.5% of additions to the current game and 90% far of what was told that would be 3.0 more than an year ago.

And then, they sell this 700-800 dollars JPEG with tons and tons of features attached to it. Run behind money like they did with AMD cross-promotion in the past. And the feature creep intensifies. And that’s in the top of 99% of vaporware features at this point. 6th year. 160+ million dollars.

#notamarketingscam

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Joe Blobers

Quote Tufao:”And they will need, by their standards, 2 billion dollars”

Man you are bit more insane at every comment…

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steve

Those Frankfurt people are geniuses.

Whatever happens to Star Citizen, in this we can see new horizons in virtual worlds. We’re looking at real-estate that would make the Westward Expansion look like a subdivision.

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Solaris

Damn, that was kind of mind blowing. Can’t wait to be flying around populated planets!

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primal

game is shaping up to become EPIC. i wasnt expecting the city tech to be as good as that but at least now we know its relatively simple to generate all that and the most important thing is the tools where they can generate a city really fast and generate stuff on the inside fast to. no need to go in and build it out your self, flow graph and generate. That is how they will be able to build out these locations faster and faster

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Cyclone Jack

The tools are what impressed me the most.

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Tufao

I think that you was impressed in the wrong way, like many backers was. What they shown, for example, hardly would “impress” a publisher, that is used to see all this from developers making games and know a little more than usual gamers about game development.
I mean, it’s not like they can produce those cities in an instant and that’s it, like primal is trying to tell or make it appear, so as many comments of die-hard fans trying to promote this again, just as they did with everythign else in the past.
Even the devs said that the amount of work (manual) that must be done in the top of that is huge. Which is basically what prevents this project to ever be realized, realistically speaking, AS PROMISED (many systems, huge MMO instance, etc.).
Things that they ever will manage to “procedurally generate” and make it work, to be meaningful.
Not to mention the flagrant lies of Roberts in the demo (“planet-city”, when there was just an area with the city and the rest was empty).

The tool, which was demo’ed not live but in a pre-recorded way, so, considering the standards of deception of RSI, still questionable even if they produced that demo, even partially, through that tool), that’s just an editor of exterior/interiors.

It’s not really so much groundbreaking. Yeah! It’s pretty much a need for this project. A requirement. But nothing really so advanced that they “discovered” or “created”. More like a basic tool.

Besides. Heh! If was in the way that Primal stated, 3.0 would have a lot more than those tiny outposts right?

Some people never learn.

And I am sure that Roberts knows that and made a lot things in purpose exactly to lead people to mistakes and hype itself and others like Primal did. Later, he puts the guilty in the backers who didn’t understand the message and hyped or claimed things that “they didn’t say”.
Another old stunt they have been using since day one.

I can believe that they manage to release 1 system, barebones features, or totally alien features to what people were expecting for this project (like spending more time in the shower with the avatar than doing space sim stuff, because space sim stuff is too barebones and other games are much better on that) in 10 years more of development with the same level/style that we watched in the today’s demo.

But single-player or very tiny populated multiplayer instances, preventing most of those expensive JPEGS to ever work.

This never will work like the intended world-wide MMO. Realistically, as 10 years is too much time to wait and other games with more focus are out there doing a job focused on results to then, to earn money based on that, I am pretty sure that capitalism reality won’t allow this project to come to life as promised, or even in this status that I “can still believe”.

Really. So far, they are doing nothing to solve the real problems that this game have to be realized and after that to be fun and after that to be COMPETITIVE.

Just adding bullshit to 90% of the vaporware dreams and creating all forms of illusions to desperate backers too sunk in sunk cost falacy and doing all the change of focus they can to things that “they could deliver” in the current scenario (uh! Facial animations, plants, tiny animals around, avatar customization!).

But at least, they managed to make a better presentation this time. I mean. If you go out there to lie to your investors/backers, at least lie correctly. They made major mistakes that reveal their lies and their deception to more careful eyes. But indeed, they managed to deliver good illusions for the eventual audience or backers that believes in whatever thing they do, or feel themselves responsible to their marketing and were desperate to have some “new” weapon to fight the “good cause”.

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shear

Very impressive tech demo. It’s sad that they went back from doing it live like last time to on rails “look what you might have in the next 2 years”, and correct me if I am wrong but, eight hour steam with zero new gameplay?

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Joe Blobers

Quote Sherar :”Very impressive tech demo”

A tech demo which is indeed a game in development not just a funny trailer nobody will ever be able to get in hands. Coming with 3.0 and 3.1/3.2. We are talking about quarters not years.

Professions are coming with next patch, it was known since a few quarters already… At least they show something which is both new and impressive, 3.0 gameplay have been already showcased.

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Solaris

Uh, what stream did you watch. 100% live.

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primal

it is live, its just obviously more stable than previous versions but i guess you wouldnt be here if you didnt find something to moan about

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deekay_plus

it is live but it’s offline singleplayer and on rails with alot of bullshotting and canned demoing involved clearly.

but i guess you wouldn;t be here if you didn’t find something to bitch at someone about pointing out the obvious in a rather positive if anything way given this project’s history.

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shear

Traveling from planet to planet sure does look like a far more exiting endeavor than Elites super cruise mechanic… I’m surprised people aren’t more appalled by that. 8 minute loading screen?

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carl howard

thats why people have watched others from a distance in the current patch qd from one place to another …because its a loading screen :/

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Joe Blobers

Quote Shear:”that. 8 minute loading screen”
Do you really believe those 8 minutes are not part of the quantum mechanism for very far distance journey or are you just trolling?

Quantum to a planet 1/10th of distance and the flight will be 1/10th of time. There is no loading screen beside the one to pick the game selection screen between various modules (Arena Commander, Space Marine, PU)

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Cyclone Jack

If I were solo, the 8 minutes could get annoying, though not any more than WoW’s flight paths back in the day. On the other hand, if I were in a multi-crew ship, those 8 minutes would give us time to stretch our legs and do some other things in the meantime. This is, of course, assuming you aren’t distracted by some blip on the way and drop out of warp to investigate.

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deekay_plus

it was teh topic of discussion that 8 minute qd while and after teh stream ran.

not fun at all.

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Estranged

Gameplay seems to be live at the moment.

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deekay_plus

i cam into it late but pretty cut back from past demos and alot of canned demo stuff going on.

i would guess this demo took more work to put together than the previous one just purely for this convention presentation.

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Estranged

Yeah, it sure does look pretty, though.

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deekay_plus

it’s very aesthetically pleasing.

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Annoyed badger

some one let me know if there is any sign of an actual game anywhere….

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Joe Blobers

Yes there are already gameplay in 2.6.3 but for the purpose of test as the game is not yet released yet as you perfectly know it Annoyed Badger.
Various new gameplay will come with the next cupcoming 4 patch with mining, salvaging, exploring… to be provided in 2018… and after.
In the meantime if participating to a game creation is not your taste, there are hundreds of finished games on many gaming platform.

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Schlag Sweetleaf

Ein Prosit, Ein Prosit..

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Oleg Chebeneev

Cmon, it’s just 750$ for basic version of Outland Pioneer. Isnt it a steal for such beauty?
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/16200-Consolidated-Outland-Pioneer

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Alex Hyer

I wish I was so bored that I sat at my PC and made sweet gwaffix like that.

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Schlag Sweetleaf

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Armsbend

Schlag is smarter and more talented than the rest of us. I’m fairly certain it doesn’t require him as long as it would take you.

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Schlag Sweetleaf

That’s a big double negatory on your Schlag assessment , Armsbend:) Substitute obsessed for smarter and/or talented and I think you would be closer to the mark. Thank you though.

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Greaterdivinity

I may be “shitposting” due to my complete ignorance but…

So who pays for this? Is this taken from the core development crowdfunding? Because if so that’s kinda…well, shitty.

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deekay_plus

this time it looks like intel paid for it :D

but generally they sell tickets + merch + subs to pay for this. which is what in general pays for their general marketting efforts and superfluous convention appearances throughout the year. XD

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Oleg Chebeneev

“We creating it not for a game, we making it for the universe”.
Its why Im so hyped for SC. It’s not another theme park where you grind achievements and raids for gear with neverending cycle of expansions. SC aims to become living breathing universe that is incredibly realistic and immersive without any compromise for visuals and quality. The real nextgen MMO. And presentations like this that show all the awesome innovative tech they are working on is why Im willing to give them as much time as they need.

Also I’ll work as Schlag for today (shamefully stolen from reddit). Chris @StarCon

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deekay_plus

ayy lmao

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Oleg Chebeneev

10/10 presentation of walking through obstacles. Truely next gen tech. And StarCon barely even started

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Lethality

Absolutely… incredibly impressive tech and attention to detail that other developers and publishers just don’t even get the idea behind pursuing.

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shear

It’s impressive… if you have never played a video game before.

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Lethality

Why so butthurt, as you say, that you can’t admit they’re doing something new?

I’ll be waiting for those examples of every other game already going to this length.

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shear

They aren’t doing anything new in this, I gave the examples on the other comment there of the top of my head. I am sure I could give you plenty more as this “tech” has been around for at least as long as the first Assassins Creed.

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Oleg Chebeneev

Its similar but looks more impressive and advanced in SC then in GTA5. Also looks like they achieved this through other tech solutions.
Besides what they showed isnt even final and only early prototype.

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deekay_plus

you clearly haven’t played gta5 and other games that use this tech. becuase it’s not.

and even if it was it doesn’t matter until it’s on our desktop anyway. until then it’s nothing but conjecture that it will ever end up like that.

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deekay_plus

umm euphoria engine does exactly this stuff since gta4?

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shear

Yep, and it looks better.

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deekay_plus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphoria_(software)

looks like less ongoing man hours spent once implemented too based on this versus their commentary in that presentation.

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shear

Well look, it’s nice that it’s in there, but it’s not special at this point.

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deekay_plus

well it’s not “next gen” or cutting edge tech anyway.

if anything the question raised is why they are doing it themselves adn in this manner when this existing tech exists:

as my compsci pro friends tell me everytime i come up with an app idea “no reason to reinvent the wheel”.

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Lethality

I’ll wait here for the extensive list of video examples you can surely post of other massively multiplayer triple-A games with the fidelity and simulation of Star Citizen that currently offer this mundane, pedestrian also-ran feature CIG is touting.

Go!

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deekay_plus

youtube search gta4 and 5 for easy examples.

i already linked the wikipedia page for the tech. is this the hill you wanna embarass youself on today lethality?

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Lethality

lol, no. Any others?

This is why you’re and armchair developer, not an actual one.

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deekay_plus

“any others?”

ok.

this not cutting edge tech by any stretch of the imagination.

this is why you’re a sad fanboy and never say anything of merit.

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shear

What has that to do with the topic of conversation? The system they are using for animations isn’t new tech. It’s been around for a while now and been used in other games before. Now if you are implying that these animations are hard to implement into an MMO well than even CiG didn’t say that because it’s simply not true.

Why are you so butthurt about us just pointing out that this isn’t anything to be wowed by?

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Lethality

I’m not the one who pointed to 10 year old proprietary tech not used in any game.

Got any other samples, like I said?

Unless you do… then my point stands.

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deekay_plus

not used in any game?

there are no kind words to follow that rhetorical question.

pls stop replying to me forever.

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shear

This tech isn’t new. Animations in any modern 3rd person game take into account the terrain. AC, GTA, Horizon Zero Dawn just look at the animations from wildlands when your character is running up and down the hills. This isn’t new. You are embarrassing yourself.

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shear

Nah, this isn’t new at all, the first game I notice that had the whole proper leg and foot placement was Assassins Creed 1, and I don’t believe it was the first one to do something like that.

I think it’s mostly the fact that CiG would have to pay Euphoria, it can’t be cheap. They might have thought it’s cheaper to do it themselves, and they could be right, but it has to be time-consuming.

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Melissa McDonald

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Vodka!, no more feeling bad
Vodka!, your eyes are shining
Vodka!, you are the real man
Vodka!, wipes away your tears
Vodka!, removes your fears
Vodka!, everyone is gorgeous
Yeah vodka!

Drinking is good for you
Soon you are unconstrained
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Here comes the womanizer
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Not anymore lonesome
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And you will feel awesome!

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Brother Maynard

Finnish metal, improving the world’s music scene since the 90s!

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Solaris

I saw them live with Ensiferum. Great show!

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deekay_plus

free ship with super high end and most expensive model of a super niche product? okay.

better use of an m2 slot is just a regular m2 nvme ssd as opposed to optane unless you have a specifc usage scenario that benefits from this optane thing it seems.

also the raven looks pointless. and if the ad for it was released by any publisher the masses of social media qq stormers would be calling it out hard.

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deekay_plus

so looking into it a bit more this is the optane ssd and not the optane m2 memory modules that i can find on sale (can’t find the ssd models on my local stores).

still kind of expesnive from what others found on their stores vs typical m2 ssd’s which generally don’t benefit games much vs sata ssd’s even in highly beneficial from ssd gaming scenarios despite far less latency and far faster speed (and a more direct path to teh cpu and ram than sata inherent to m2 nvme). and i’m not seeingn any intel documentation explaining that price premium. and as it si the entire product line up seems focused on professional workstation tasks, tho x3 (or is it 2)99 i9 platform does support it.

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primal

its intel though isnt it so theyll charge through the roof for some rubbish.

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deekay_plus

i looked more and it’s supported on gen 7 and 8 lines.

and gen 8 is hands down best price to performance and best performance in it’s price teir right now.

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primal

well i5s are i7’s arent. limited supply, stores jacking up the prices, some doing binned 8700ks upto like £800 and im thinking 8700k will be in limited supply till they do the cannonlake pch in seeing as intel clearly rushed these to market seeing as they werent even supposed to release till next year

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deekay_plus

these were on time more or less skylake x was rushed. (i9s)

ryzen aren’t going any cheaper in europe due to inflated demand and limited stock.

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cmdr_cotic

First thing they open with is hawking another company’s product lol

It seems everyone wants in on the action.

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Koshelkin

God bless that they have booze there, right?

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deekay_plus

past citcons were at bars with stages, but based on tweets this morning/last nigth this one is in a theatre so idk.

it’s an old joke that sandi looks drunk at these things and chris seems coked up tho. lol

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Koshelkin

If you think Chris looks “coked up” you never saw anybody on the actual stuff.

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deekay_plus

i’m pretty well experienced with coke. he often looks pretty coked up on camera that i’ve watched especially on presentations.

he doesn’t look like he’s been ripping rockstar rails since he woke up but he does often look coked up.

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Armsbend

If he gets a little coked up before a presentation to get through nerves I wouldn’t care at all really. He isn’t a leader of the military or anything.

One of the biggest travesties of the new age is how white collar workers willing gave up the right to have a drink every now and again to get through the goddamned day.

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deekay_plus

idc much either as long as he’s not embezzling funds or raising his own salary to do tony montana piles lol.

it’s just an old joke going back to his early live appearances on SC marketting streams for the most part. but he really does seem like he’s been mixing a few drinks with some bumps and lines throughout an evening especially on these live presentations. tho in the stage presentation just now he didn’t seem as such really.

and almost everyone i know who works white collar office jobs have drinks at lunch and through the afternoon in to the evening. unless the work from home and then they tend to not to. lol especially my contacts in the gaming industry (one guy i haven’t talked to in a long time used to love to brag about company trips he’d spend all the trip getting day drunk on office hours on the company credit card. uninronically he was at the studio that did MEA LOL).

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Melissa McDonald

I’m lucky, 4pm is cocktail hour at my company :)

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Armsbend

Damn right sister.

I’m not talking getting trashed at work. I was just talking about having a beer with your burger at lunch or having a cocktail before a huge meeting to loosen you up. You still can at the highest level of course.

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deekay_plus

and for us blue collar workers a quick toke and smoke at lunch will do ;)

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Armsbend

If I even look at pot I;m usually the one in the corner with the lampshade on their head. Some people can function on pot – not me.

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deekay_plus

to be honest in my former working life i prefered to wait til after work, but i’ve worked with tonnes of people who smoked on the job.

then again it was no different in my office jobs either with even some oil tycoons smoking during the work day. >>

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