The Daily Grind: What did you think of BlizzCon this year?

I am writing this on Tuesday. This means that the version of me writing this has no idea what has been revealed at BlizzCon. But I don’t really need to let you know my reactions to it, as you’ve doubtlessly been following our liveblogs of the festivities and have gotten to see my thoughts unfold in real time. The question today is obvious: What about you?

Some years, BlizzCon has lots to announce, and some years it doesn’t have much. Heck, some years there’s lot to announce but it still winds up feeling rather light, and sometimes the little things still make a big difference. There was no fresh World of Warcraft expansion last year, but Blizzard still managed to make it a solid year for news and reveals. So what did you think of BlizzCon this year, readers? A good year, a bad one, or one that was targeted to someone entirely other than you?

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Rottenrotny

Super excited for Classic. Although I’ll be sad to leave Kronos.

That WoW cinematic was epic. Gave me chills.

Allied races look neat. I’m interested to see what drama is revealed between Sylvanas and Jaina etc.

VICTORY FOR SYLVANAS

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Makhiel

I’ve been listening to the new Hearthstone expansion theme song for 2 days, please send help.

Don’t care for much else Blizzard has to offer, I remain marginally interested in WoW in terms of lore so I’m kinda surprised what I took for a reluctant but stable peace is broken, what’s that about?

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Polyanna

We’ve long way from Gamescom 2015. Blizzcon 2017 will be remembered as a high point for WoW, and for Blizzard as a whole, for a long time. With any luck — and Blizzard is good at making their own luck, if ever it runs short — it will be only the first of more to come.

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roo woods

I quit WoW about 6 months after the release of Wrath of the Lich King and apart from a month at the release of Cataclysm ( which I got for free ) and a few 10 day welcome back offers of the years ) I haven’t played since .

In the early years WoW was hands down the best mmo I have played to date . Since quitting I have tried a number of mmos and the closest I could find was Rift but after 6 year there that has declined to a point where I no longer enjoy it . So suddenly I am in the market for another mmo so the return of classic WoW servers pretty much insures my return to WoW after a long time away .

I know quite a few people from other games I have played are also going to return and I wouldn’t be surprised if Blizzard will be shocked and rather pleased at the upturn in their subscribership they are about to experience . In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if it makes them re-access the current game too and maybe eventually offer the pristine servers that they were talking about last year ( ie servers with the original ruleset and difficulty ) .

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Delphos

My fondness for WoW burned alongside Teldrassil, thats a game im now 100% sure ill never play again!

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Rottenrotny

See you in BfA

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GamingSF

Most (though not all) people I know via online gaming are more excited about Classic WoW servers than the new expansion. I’ll look forward to the new zones for sure, but the re-newed faction war focus sounds like a broken record thesedays. We just defeated the universe-spanning Burning Legion and what? It’s forget about the class orders and back to fighting over a couple of islands?

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Armsbend

I think they are going to re-tool pvp hoping for some eSports/streaming magic. I think it is going to be much different from current pvp. Like set, balanced characters you go in and ram heads with. This will excite and anger people.

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Celestia

Overall the upcoming content looks quite good. I’m saddened there never seems to be much of any attention to Diablo.

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Well, I liked the new CGI cinematics for both Overwatch and new WoW expansion – as usual they were excellent in terms of animation quality, the music and the amount of emotions packed into them. Other than those I honestly don’t care about anything else that has been shown – I outgrew WoW as a game long time ago, same goes for other Blizzard’s games (all of which I used to play) and there was (as expected) no new game announcements.

So yea, pretty much “one that was targeted to someone entirely other than you”.

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Dug From The Earth

Enjoyed the WoW content

Overwatch really didnt have anything more than their usual “Heres a new map, and a new character” to show off. I for one would have enjoyed them releasing more of a story mode for the game. Even like a perma version of some of the co-op defense modes.

Hated that Diablo was pretty much ignored like a red headed step child

The virtual ticket streaming (and video on demand) was full of buffering issues, even on my beefy internet connection.

Hearthstone added a feature with the next expansion that might actually get me to play it some.

Unsure about how I feel about Starcraft 2 F2P. I still dont own the last expansion, and am afraid to buy it now, because i dont know if in 3 weeks its going to be cheaper, or free.

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Thomas

“Hated that Diablo was pretty much ignored like a red headed step child.”

A hearty amen to this.

I really don’t understand it either. Diablo is a well-designed game that just flat out suffers from neglect. Hardly anything of substance ever gets added to Diablo in terms of expansion content and game feature updates or improvements.

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Thomas

The level scaling seems like a good idea.

So often, I have been halfway through a zone, looked at my level and my green/gray quests and decided, “Whelp, gotta move on now.” I also like that, since I have always hated the “Cataclysm-ed” version of Thousand Needles, for example, there will now be more alternatives than just Eastern Plaguelands in leveling up a character.

Better still, having alternatives to “the endless Northrend slog” is all to the good. Now, if I could somehow just stay in Warlords of Draenor for the entire leveling process, I’d be a happy camper, since that was the most enjoyable WoW expansion I’ve played. I like WoD much better even than Legion.

It would seem the new BfA features I like best I can access without buying the expansion. There is nothing in the expansion itself that really interests me, so I probably won’t buy it until the price goes way down.

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Hirku

That’s a fairly unique opinion on WoD from everything I’ve read. I’m curious to hear why that’s your favorite (no plot spoilers please).

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Thomas

In my opinion, WoD had the most cohesive and interesting plot line I’ve played in WoW, helped tremendously by the fact that you could solo your way through most of the story sections.

In addition to that …

— The zones were gorgeous and fun to play through
— Each zone had its own good plot line
— I really, really liked how they handled the player’s “base camp.”
— The end zone jungle, Tanaan, was particularly challenging and fun
— I really appreciated the way they used special named beasts and enemies that you could take on all over the place; they were sometimes tough but not outrageously so.
— The armor designs were quite good in WoD
— No expansion has been more crafting friendly (Legion took a huge step backward in crafting, unfortunately)
— I thought the “mini-game” using your allies/ships being sent out on their own “missions” (a concept continued in Legion) was a huge plus
— The general quest design/writing was mostly pretty clever, I thought. I actually enjoyed reading the quests as well as doing them

Many people complained that WoD was, as expansions go, too “solo-friendly,” which may be a valid complaint for some, but that was just another plus for me, since I seldom have time for the major group content like dungeons.

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Hirku

Thank you for the detailed answer. Many of your bullet points sound very appealing to me, too.

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Red Galaxie

I was really hoping for a new game announcement. Showing us StarCraft’s headstone and sweeping Diablo under the rug was not encouraging and everything else was bland. Overwatch getting a new hero and map, new expansions to WoW and Hearthstone, and HoTS adding new heroes (which for a moba shouldn’t be a special event). All in all, I’m not disappointed, but there’s nothing here to get excited about.

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Arktouros

Another year of lack of interest.

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Dreema

We’re getting a classic server so I’d say it was a pretty damn good Blizzcon. On the other hand, the new expansion looks kinda naff.

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Cali

I’m very excited for the new way that they will scale leveling. I have always wanted to complete all of the quests in the zones that I level up in but since half way through the zone all the quests go grey there wasn’t much incentive. I also love the idea of unlocking the new character races by leveling up which is another great incentive to go back through and play the game.

Also Vanilla servers!

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kjempff

They stopped targeting me some expansions/years ago, but always interesting to watch from the sideline.
The mmo destroying scaling disease is comming to WoW, not good news for the genre. Vanilla servers commitment could be interesting, but only as progression type servers would I consider it, so lets see where that goes.

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how is scaling mmo destroying?

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kjempff

I can almost sense no matter what reply I make to this it will not be understood, so instead of wasting a lot of time with an explanation, here is a copy paste:

You could say Scaling is improvement if you only look at it from the technical side. It opens up content to more players but on the flip side it also devalues content and make it bland (as is the case with most gamey mechanics). I guess it depends on taste, but I value consistancy and as mentioned identity, and to me a mmorpg is about virtual world. I am aware that all so called mmos keep taking steps away from virtual world with gamey mechanics like scaling, megaserver, personal loot, dungeon finder, currency venders for gear, f2p shops, story driven, and the list goes on .. Which are the reasons players who enjoy the original virtual world kind of mmorpg are alienated in the current mmo selection, and keep yaddering on about it.

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Rottenrotny

He’s not wrong. I too am not keen on the scaling. Should be OPTIONAL

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Hirku

I’m wondering about that, too. With all that talk of destruction & disease, I don’t expect we’ll get a very rational answer.

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starbuck1771

Because he doesn’t like his games to be a challenge at least that’s what I am reading. If I wanted a cake walk I would play hello kitty online adventures.

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Grim🎃 Darhk

Hearthstone Hearthstone, Matt Mercer singing in Hearthstone Hearthstone! Also new expansion seems cool, OW can still suck a massive dick, and nothing for the other two games, was really hoping for a diablo 4.

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Denice J. Cook

True classic-code vanilla WoW incoming: I’m still in shock!

It can’t be *that* far away; if it was nothing but a pipe dream, they wouldn’t have announced it yet. To be that much of a surety, it must be a lot further along internally than they’re making it out to be.

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Hirku

Sorry, but it’s not only *that* far away, it’s *thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis* far away on top of that.

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roo woods

My guess is next Christmas .

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Slaasher

I think its at least 2 years away. Blizzard isn’t known for speed and by the sounds of the announcement they haven’t nailed down exactly what they’re doing:
Are they going to launch the exact same game sans bugs OR
Are they going to give us modernized graphics with the combat mechanics and challenge of vanilla wow.
What exactly is it that people want?
When it gets down to brass tacks, I dont think we know

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starbuck1771

Yes you’re getting it but I think the reasoning is that it is to protect their IP.

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Dreema

Who cares what the reason is? We’re getting it. That’s the only important thing.

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Vicarious Fan

The convention was better then last year, great panels, great reveals. however the goodie bag and digital rewards were some of the worst in the past few years.

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Michael

Pretty great year. Much better then last year. Last year there may as well have not been a Blizzcon

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Rottenrotny

I went last year. Much better goodie bag! Haha

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Oleg Chebeneev

No complains. WoW expansion could be more exciting, but we’ll see how it turns out.
Im only interesting in vanilla servers if our whole 29 twinking community from private servers will switch and becomes active there. I have zero interest in vanilla content.

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Jeffrey Meade

Blizzcon itself was was decent and I loved the cinematics released for each game. The WoW expansion is a little underwhelming for me, but I cant completely point to a specific reason why except to say I was more excited by the info for Legion when that expansion was announced. There isn’t really anything in the new expansion that really excites me. It just felt like more of the same with a few new things added on that I don’t care much about so far.

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Dreema

I think a lot of it’s down to the fact that the Burning Legion is a cool enemy and we’ve been looking forward to a fight with them since the game launched. But another Alliance v Horde conflict is just boring. We already that in MoP. And no matter what happens, it’s not like either side is going to win overall. I’d be much more interested in an expansion aimed at the South Seas, the Void or the Old Gods.

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Bruno Brito

Decent. I honestly want a bit more info on Retail’s status with the new xpac. Seems a bit confusing yet.

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pepperzine

The announcement for classic servers completely exceeded all of my expectations for Blizzcon. It has actually given me a Blizzard product to look forward to in the future besides Hearthstone =]

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peor togs

Stoked about classic and looking forward to how blizzard will polish some of the scripting and problems/bugs like summoning stones, etc.

This is going to be good!

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thalendor

I found the news coming out of BlizzCon this year to be far more exciting than I expected. Classic servers were a shock, and I’ll definitely at least roll a toon on them to once again experience the “good old days” as it were. A new expansion was pretty much expected, but I liked what I saw in terms of new features: islands and warfronts both sound like they could be good repeatable content to keep me entertained. Finally, the old-world level scaling may tempt me back into the game sooner than I’d anticipated, as the last time I leveled a new character, it was a pretty unsatisfying experience due to out-leveling areas too quickly.

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Bryan Turner

I thought Blizzcon happens next week, so I guess I have no opinion about it.

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Liandreth

I enjoyed. I’m actually really glad there’s no big baddie this expansion and we’re just back to Horde vs Alliance. I am big baddie fatigued. I was also shocked and excited by the Classic WoW announcement. I played vanilla and I can’t wait to play it again :)

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starbuck1771

I bet there is a big baddie as there is always a big baddie. They just haven’t released that info yet. However for all we know the way things went in Legion for all we know Jaina could be the big baddie. Plot twist to the extreme? Think about it! :P

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I’m ambivalent. The world scaling will probably get me to come back more than anything else announced. I feel weird trying to bring back the faction war, but honestly, if the factions aren’t going away, it makes more sense to lean back into them. And doing the Warfronts where it leans in, but not in a full blown PVP way seems like a good way to do that. So again, I’m curious.
The announcement of the Classic servers took me by surprise. I won’t play them, I was there, did that, no interest in going back. But nevertheless, it will be an interesting experiment just to see what happens.
Everything else is whatever, since I really don’t play any of their other games anymore.

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Koshelkin

No news for Diablo, sadly, but Moira got me excited. My favourite heroes are Zenyatta and Ana, so Moira is right up my alley. It’s funny, though, how ridiculously OP she appears for the trailers sake. Not that I take it at face value. I’d also love to see something else than in the Overwatch Universe, maybe not a MMO but at least a coop game of some sort.

Ach, and the WoW Classic trailer gave even me the shivers when it ended with that Dwarfen Ranger overlooking the mountain range. I never played much of and never was into WoW but that scene is still pure nostalgia.

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Hirku

Heh, a character reveal trailer where the character gets their ass handed to them would be rather funny.

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Koshelkin

Uh, it’s not about that but the sheer exaggeration of the showcase. I understand it’s done to create excitement for the character but the skills of Moira will never have an impact on a match as huge as seen in the trailer.

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Hirku

I liked it a lot. I’m so used to supporting MMO developers that look like they have to go panhandling just to finish a boss’ big toe that it was nice to sit back and enjoy some spectacle and hype for once. The Classic announcement was exciting even if I have no interest in it for myself, the new expansion looks fine to me, and most important of all the leveling is going to be fixed.

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TomTurtle

I loved the cinematics, so that’s something. They did a good job presentation-wise on the opening ceremony.

The WoW Classic announcement was great, and the ice cream lead-in was cheeky. The WoW expansion itself feels underwhelming. Blizzard is doing the exact opposite of what I wanted and that was to keep up the momentum. I feel that returning to the tired Horde vs. Alliance trope at this point is just to stall things out while they work on creating more story for the expansion after this.

The allied races is neat for altoholics like me, though for many, that’s not going to keep them playing longer if they’re not interested in creating new characters. The other features, of which there are little, sound okay, but nothing that exciting.

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bereman99

I’m curious as to how you’d expect them to keep up the momentum after defeating the threat that has basically been the lynchpin of the entire franchise in terms of conflict.

Think about it in terms of pacing in a movie – if every set of scenes was a climactic event meant to surpass the last one, would that work? Sure it’d be exciting, at least for a while, but it also would start to run together and just get more and more ridiculous.

Sometimes you have to pull back and let things simmer at a more personal level for a while so that you can properly build toward dramatic climaxes again.

Right after defeating the formative threat of the franchise is probably one of those times.

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TomTurtle

Returning to a tired, well-explored storyline is going backwards at this point. Blizzard keeps flip-flopping the story about whether the factions should unify to work together or to fight amongst themselves. It’s boring at this point and feels uncreative.

Tentatively, the feature list isn’t even that impressive, but that’s happened with previous expansions as well sadly. I can only hope the new features are meaningful and really add to the gameplay experience instead of being tossed aside for the expansion that follows this one. I’d have loved to see markedly new features such as the oft-requested housing. Something to mix things up.

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bereman99

You didn’t answer my question – how would you expect them to keep up the momentum after the kind of climax that sees the defeat of what has been THE main driving force of the conflict since the franchise started? It was Sargeras and his lackeys that sought Azeroth in the first place, leading to the Orcs first invasion.

This is the kind of climax many games will simply end on.

So I ask again – how would you expect that momentum to actually be carried forward?

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rafael12104

Not with standing what I said below. I zone out during Blizzcon. It just strikes me as continuing the hype to maintain sales. Yeah, very cynical coming from me, and it doesn’t mean there isn’t some good info and genuine excitement.

I prefer shows that include competing vendors. The hype is amped up once again but between competing companies. But the competition on display drives innovation as they try to differentiate themselves in the marketplace. They hype is more likely to get real. Lol.

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Loxi

I’m really hyped for Classic. Like many others, I didn’t play during official vanilla and only came to the game at around Wrath of the Lich King. After playing around with Nostalrius a bit, I really did fall in love a little bit. It’s super rough around the edges but there’s a certain feeling that you get playing through to 60, prepping for raids and then actually raiding. Private servers always have game breaking bugs and server issues that put me off playing long term, and there was always the threat of the server going down and all of your ‘hard work’ being erased in a blink of an eye, and I think that put a lot of people off too. An official Blizzard project with stable servers and a guarantee that things just won’t disappear after a few months? Sign me up.

The new expansion was a bit muted compared to other reveals, in my opinion, but I don’t think this is a necessarily bad thing. I think Blizzard have a new outlook when it comes to development; smaller updates quicker. BfA seems to be fitting into that. It’s not doing anything super drastic or massive that shakes up how the game works. We’re getting an updated artifact system, new allied races, a new game mode and some new zones, but apart from that they seem to be focusing on the meat and bones of any expansion (to me), PvE content. The new Legion raid is releasing on the 28th, and if we assume that BfA will be releasing around summer 2018, then we’re not going to have anywhere near the same content drought that we’ve had before (especially given I’ve heard we’re meant to get another raid before Legion is over, albeit a smaller one, hopefully tying into the new expac?).

Some people were disappointed by the lack of flash and awe with the BfA announcement, but I think it lives up to what a lot of people have wanted for a long time. We don’t need game changing systems and new classes and brand new races each time, we just want something!

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Michael

I agree. I think that the Legion announcement was exciting because of all the new systems, but the reality is everyone hated half those systems a month later. Now, with tons of refinements and updates, those systems will be much better. They don’t have as much with new features but they have loads of content. More content then Legion really. They even have a new BG and arenas for the first time in years. The way I look at it is that BFA is to Legion as GW2:PoF is to HoTs. In GW2 HoTs was a really content light expansion with loads of features, PoF had loads of content and 1 new feature.

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Lethality

WoW Classic is equal to saying the current game isn’t appealing. So they are walking a dangerous slope… And this is just what a tiny fraction of players will play more than a couple weeks.

Especially in light of the weak Battle for Azeroth expansion. It doesn’t appear to tie into the larger Warcraft mythos in any way… you can say Warcraft is about orcs vs humans, horde vs alliance – but it isn’t really and hasn’t been since before Warcraft III. This, too, is only what a small portion of players want.

Not a good show for MMO fans, anyway.

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Michael

BFA is like MoP. The start of the expansion is something else, then by the end it changes to something much bigger. I mean, we are fighting Azshara in BFA for one, that is HUGE. WoW Classic is not really saying the current game is not appealing. They are doing it because it is what fans want. I fucking hate it myself. Just look at how little they talked about it though and how little they seem to want to talk about it. They don’t even have the dev team or a timeline for it yet. They just wanted to let people know that it is going to happen and everyone can stfu about it.

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Bryan Turner

I thought that WoW Emulator had between 500,000 and a 1,00,000 users which is a population most MMOs would murder people for these days, it’s a very sound investment on their part.

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Bruno Brito

It had 800k accounts MADE. It was 150k players.

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Michael

Yeah, and how many of those 150k players will actually be willing to pay for a WoW box and a sub as well ;P

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Lethality

Likely almost none of them. I think this is one where Blizzard misread the tea leaves.

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Castagere Shaikura

Yeah know one here wants to admit that they played on these servers without paying the 15 a month sub.fee and that’s why they are popular in the first place.

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Armsbend

It isn’t as if Blizzard didn’t consider this fact though. They can afford top misread tea leaves if they want to really.

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Armsbend

I just think they took a look at demand and thought they could make money on it – more than the work they put in. I think it’s as simple as that.

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rafael12104

No it’s not. That’s like saying that if like Vanilla ice cream and you don’t, you don’t like ice cream. It is a false syllogism.

If nothing else this demonstrates that the MMORPG market is diverse unlike the old days. People can choose now, old school or new school. IMO, that keeps audiences interested and thus makes for a good show especially for Bliz.

Will one flavor cannibalize the other? Maybe. But I think the reverse will be more frequent as people will choose to play both.

I can see it now, actually, a sub package that includes both. Throw in a few freebies and their printing money again.

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Michael

ehh, I don’t really think that the MMO market is diverse as you think. The market requires games to be successful, not niche. How many classic style MMOs are successful in 2017? ;P

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Hirku

Just as long as they don’t try to use that combo as justification for raising the sub overall. I can’t imagine they would be stupid enough to try that, but…you know, games industry.

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Michael

Oh they won’t raise the sub for current players. If anything, it will cost a new box price for classic servers or a separate sub.

Whatever they do, it is in their best interest to push modern day WoW over Classic. Classic players won’t be buying cash shop items, wow tokens, or expansions every two years.

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Hirku

Yeah, I’m betting it’ll be box price plus having the regular sub, like an optional expansion that’ll sit off to the side.

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Skai R

Agree, no matter what happens Blizzard wins.

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zoward

We win too! Choice is good.

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Utakata

You could say that. Or you could say current WoW is not everyone’s thing, as Vanilla WoW is not everyone’s thing. As being of the latter party, I have no real desire to go back to Vanilla…but I can’t say Vanilla was appalling for example. /shrug

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OneEyeRed

As a 2 year beta tester on WOW and a 7+ year player after release, people are wearing rose colored glasses. I will refrain from pointing out all the glaring issues we dealt in (I really dislike this term) “vanilla” WOW. Heck, 2 weeks before release the warrior changes were so horrid they ruined them.

It was new, it was big, it was the right timing. There are some things to like about the original game and a whole mess of other things that were wrong. They are not going to draw as huge a crowd as most people think especially with zero flying and massive hiking.

I would even play a “classic” server for the nostalgia reasoning, but it would never be a long-term adventure for me.

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Michael

I remember playing WoW classic, finishing up my magister’s set and thinking this game really sucks. I have to raid now or I may as well quit cause there is nothing to do. Which was pretty much the case all the way through until the end of vanilla…lol

You had to raid in a 20 man raid at the minimum or love PvP to get anything out of Vanilla WoW. People loved PvP in Vanilla, sure, but the fact is that there were like 0 competitive multiplayer games compared to now. You can get a way better experience in many, many varied multiplayer competitive only games now. Why would you pay a sub just to get that experience?

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Utakata

I don’t know. You have to give this initiative a chance before concluding it will be a lack luster thing. It maybe not be your thing; it certainly isn’t mine. But that doesn’t mean it won’t do well.

Besides, you are talking about Vanilla’s “pain-in-the-asses” driving players away. Legion currently has also a lot of “pain-in-the-asses” too, it isn’t driving every player from the WoW. It seems players are willing to forgo those “pain-in-the-asses” to play the game they enjoy.

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Armsbend

What it could do is reintroduce the game to people like you and get them to sub to the regular release WoW. My bet is that is the goal here. Like a welcome back program that isn’t sad.

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Michael

Well, they are going to have to sub to regular WoW to play it. My guess is they are going to use Vanilla WoW to push Modern WoW rather then even remotely pushing Classic beyond when it first releases.

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Armsbend

Yup if I didn’t say that clearly I feel the same way. My hope is a wow sub buys you wow in any of the modes. I’m not interested in playing an old game but I do want to goof around a little in it. See what the hubbub was about.

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Schmidt.Capela

You know that there are hundreds of thousands of players playing private Vanilla servers, right?

For many people it isn’t rose-colored glasses, it’s that they legitimately enjoy the older game better, to the point they would rather play the old version even when they have the new one available.

Similarly with all the “retro” games that are selling well. They show that a part of the public enjoys those better than what mainstream publishers and devs are currently offering.

As for me, my favorite version of WoW is WotLK. Post-Cataclysm WoW became so much worse for me, I’m not really willing to play anymore. Though I don’t think I would pay a subscription to just play WotLK without any further content drops, or at least not for long.

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Minimalistway

For the “rose colored glasses”, just remember, people like me never played the game in its time, tested private server in loved it, but i want to play something from Blizzard, so there is a group of people who never have the glasses in the first place, and i’m sure many of us know very well the problem with all classic systems … still, we will enjoy playing it.

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Armsbend

I share the same story as you. I never played wow until recently and I’d love to try it as people remember it – without ships of content to wade through.

If we are allowed to roll a character as a regular subscriber to WoW then I’ll definitely be playing it that first day along with everyone else. First MMO days are always fun.

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CMDR Crow

The real difference is that the pacing is so much slower. You very much have to “stop and explore the flowers” to play without going a little crazy because quests don’t bring you from 1-60 in a few hours. You’ll spend weeks in zones leveling, killing mobs and putting together dungeon runs. You need to stop and chill before ripping those evil demons a new one, and then after as well.

I think that’s the biggest difference overall. If players have some patience and enjoy the very amazing world that is created, then they’ll understand the glimmer that vanilla gives off.

Vanilla WoW was more of an experience and a setting than it was a “go go go game.” You’ll very literally find yourself making little ad-hoc “homes” as you move through the world as you don’t just stop in to grab six-million quests and never go back to the town. You’ll be in and out of that town a lot while you move through the zones and progress on a schedule that doesn’t include purely quest-driven advancement.

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See, I’m still confused about this. It took me less than two weeks to roll my second character back in Vanilla to almost MC ready. It’s taken me a good deal longer than than that just to hit 50 in FFXIV:ARR.

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Chris Moss

I really didn’t care much about Blizzcon til I saw the WoW Classic trailer. Now I am just sitting hear waiting for any info on that to come out…. KEEP US INFORMED!!

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Jake Boller

Still in disbelief and feel like I’m probably just dreaming right now. The Classic server announcement caught me off guard. As someone who has been playing Vanilla WoW on private servers for over 5 years, and has always wanted official classic realms, this year’s Blizzcon was like a religious experience for me.

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Zulika Mi-Nam

No Diablo news = no news for me.

I would like to say I would try SC2 campaign, but my backlog keeps growing.

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threeknee

Maybe WoW classic was the only interesting thing about it, but I’m pretty certain they are going to put it behind a full subscription to regular WoW, so I’m not going to be playing.

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Michael

I mean, it costs money to recreate that experience and maintain it. All the good WoW illegal servers are making money to support them already. This is just an official version.

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OneEyeRed

These vocal minority folks can scream all day how they want classic but when it comes time to pay up you see what you get. It’s not just about a classic server, its about the “me getting something for free” mentality.

Blizz is giving you what you all scream and cried for and now as I have stated in other posts the real crapfest ignites. “well, if Blizz is going to charge me for something I am already stealing and should be paying them for in the first place, then screw them!”

Pathetic, just pathetic…

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threeknee

There are free private servers around, if I just wanted to play it for free, I would. You shouldn’t be so liberal with with the word pathetic, if you are confused by the idea that someone doesn’t want to pay a subscription for a game they don’t want to play.

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Lethality

So a product you want, but are unwilling to pay for. Got it.

I think you all know the rest…

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Armsbend

The entire illegal server crowd never wanted Blizzard involved – they used that as an excuse to rationalize their theft. Now they will rationalize it in some other way – people have trouble admitting that they are trashy.

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Ashfyn Ninegold

__people have trouble admitting that they are trashy.

QFT. Can I steal this?

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Armsbend

why of course

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CMDR Crow

It is a somewhat insane position to take that the real motivation for individuals who want Classic is that they desire to steal things. Do you really believe that? If people treated you that way I bet you’d change the tune quickly.

“Armsbend doesn’t actually like what they like, they just like that they’re doing something bad with it.” I’ll give you the same horrid benefit of the doubt from now on. Every time you share an opinion about something I’ll accuse you of having the worst possible motivation for holding that idea.

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Armsbend

I do believe that. Not all people, of course, but most. It will develop more once they release pricing info.

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Hirku

Yeah, I have no doubt whatsoever that on launch day there will be a contingent of players declaring it “not REAL vanilla” or some such nonsense.

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threeknee

I’m unwilling to pay for regular WoW. Perhaps Blizzard could make up a separate monetization model for classic WoW, but if they are going to ask me to pay for a full subscription for WoW, then I’m not going to do it because I’m not interested in that game.

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Loxi

I’m confused. Are you not willing to pay a single sub that’ll include both Classic and modern WoW? Are you hoping that they’ll release a separate sub for Classic that’ll be cheaper?

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Michael

I think he is just bitter that modern day WoW players will get free access to classic servers. Not sure why he thinks it would be cheaper then the modern day sub considering…that is what it used to cost too lol

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Hirku

Yeah, that didn’t take long at all, did it?

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Utakata

I think we will eventually find out if how really popular a classic server is if it’s behind a the WoW sub paywall…or even has its on sub paywall. If Blizz is feeling pressure to open more servers after they release it, we could conclude the paying money to access it was never an issue. And there’s a real desire for this. Or if Blizz decides to cancel the servers due to lack of interest, then it was all about players with frugal wallets playing free games after all. My money is on the former though. :)

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Hirku

I expect the final result is going to be a lot more mundane than what both sides of the debate are predicting.

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Utakata

Maybe. /shrug :)

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Rick Mills

My wife and I watched it via the virtual ticket and we loved it. Glad to see no big bosses this time around, just Us vs Them. 2 Continents with 6 zones, 6 sub-races to play, Scenarios (yay!) and warfronts – plus the whole Kalimdor vs Eastern Kingdoms – great stuff!

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borghive

I’m glad that there isn’t a world ending boss this expansion, I don’t get why people are so upset about this. WoW needed a break from this trope in my opinion. Also, the faction war has always been a core aspect of WoW, so I don’t get why people are upset about this either.

This expansion feels like we are returning home to the original zones some what and that makes me happy. :)

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Schmidt.Capela

Also, the faction war has always been a core aspect of WoW, so I don’t get why people are upset about this either.

I can’t speak for others, but in my case I was never into faction war. And particularly not in the way WoW implements it, with players from different factions being prevented from playing group content together, or even communicating with each other.

I started playing WoW despite the faction shenanigans, not because of them.

Though I don’t really care at this point. It’s been too long since I last played. A focus on faction conflict just makes it less likely I will give the new expansion a try, but that was very unlikely from the start anyway, so no real change.

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Ashfyn Ninegold

My enjoyment of LOTRO is in large part based on the fact that there is no faction warfare within the player base. People want to be tribal, though, and make up silly grudges against dwarves and hobbits just to have something to trash talk about.

The HvA storyline is just tired. The only thing that is of interest in it is how they are going to handle Anduin’s transformation from a young man into an effective leader, how he learns his powerful healing ability, and how he sees that fitting into the world order. Is it only to protect and defend people loyal to him or does he have a grander fate related to the wounds Azeroth suffers from? Now
we’re talking epic story and not just epically-prolonged conflict.

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I was disappointed in the WoW expansion announcement. I don’t think it will necessarily be a bad expansion, there’s just nothing particularly exciting about saying, “you know that war that’s been going on since the beginning and is in some way a part of every expansion, we’re doing an entire expansion about that!” It leaves me thinking, “okay, but what else?” The whole Red vs. Blue is baseline for all WoW expansions at this point. Making it the focus feels like not having a focus at all.

But again, it could still be a really good expansion. The details will decide— how they approach the conflict, what sorts of stories take place in each zone, how they tie in to the overall conflict, how the new game systems support the two faction war emphasis, etc. But they’re not going to announce the details so we’re left with what I felt was a rather flat announcement.

As for the rest of the games, I don’t really play them much or at all so I can’t really comment on whether they were exciting announcements or not. I guess I can say none of them made me want to jump back in and play any of them.

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Michael

To be fair, we have not really had an expansion about the Horde VS Alliance war since MoP.

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borghive

Don’t worry so much about the theme, I think this is great jumping off point to some actually new and better story for the game.

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Schlag Sweetleaf

Take this brother.May it serve you well.

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Armsbend

Keep that card handy. I right click > saved it for future use hope you dont mind.

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Schlag Sweetleaf

That was the idea:) Maybe there is a game in there somehow,played within the threads of Mo. Need to figure out a way where the /upvotes and thread activity can be transferred into a persistence. See anything in the cost/attack/health numbers?

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Loopy

I don’t think i’ve actually ever seen you comment positively about any of the games featured on this website. So much negativity can’t be good for your health, methinks.

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Liandreth

*continues her sheep dance* Come on guys, lets flock together. Flock PARHTEE!

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BalsBigBrother

I suggest decaf and maybe professional help. Have a nice day o/

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Utakata

…they call him Dragonhearth for a reason! o.O

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Utakata

Tepid and ambivalent.

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TheDonDude

It was alright. Warcraft Classic is neat but the new expansion seems like it doesn’t add much.

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Loopy

I’ve been happy with all the announcements this year. It’s unfortunate that Diablo didn’t get much love, but i’m not vested in the game so it didn’t have much impact.

Vanilla WoW, new expansion, and OW cinematic were my personal highlights.

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Minimalistway

I didn’t follow much after Warcraft announcement since this is the only game i care about, watching J. Allen Brack talking about icecream flavors was the best moment, when he said chocolate it hit me like no other moments, arms in the air “yes!” .. a true surprise in this age of “leaks” :-D

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Armsbend

The WoW Classic news was obvious epic and unexpected. That alone would have made this year’s con a big deal. However, I feel that Starcraft 2 going f2p is almost as big and unexpected. I surprised it didn’t get a mention here.

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Maggie May

Elf butts.

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BalsBigBrother

Was it BlizzCon this weekend? I must have missed that somehow, you really should have covered that maybe live blog it or something

;-) :p

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