Destiny 2 once again denies misidentifying cheaters in latest ban wave

When Destiny 2 launched on PC just two weeks ago, the cheater ban waves began. Players revolted, arguing that they hadn’t been cheating and indeed that they had only innocuous programs running on their machines. Bungie initially scoffed at the claims, diplomatically calling them “internet BS,” but then had to walk all that back following a deeper investigation, overturning an undisclosed number of bans of people banned in error. The end result? People don’t believe Bungie when Bungie says its bans are legit.

And now it’s happening again. As Kotaku reports, the Destiny 2 forums are overrun with banned players arguing they aren’t cheaters but instead are being flagged for unrelated third-party programs, like kernel debuggers and Visual Studio used in actual game development.

But Bungie is once again denying that its detection could be overzealous.

“We looked into it. Our recent wave of protective security measures were reviewed extensively and all were identified as having cheat tools running multiple times.”

Hmm.

Source: Bungie, Kotaku
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Bryan Turner

All the more reason I’ll never buy this dumpster fire.

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Dušan Frolkovič

Well, people will need to decide for themselves:

a) do they want cheaters in their games, or
b) an overly protective system that will produce false positives

No, there is no perfect system, that will protect from both criteria

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mysecretid

I agree. Bans can be repealed, or the ban process improved, but once you create a weak cheating policy, your games will be a target throughout their existence.

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Tandor

And to think that this was the game that was going to destroy ESO…

Well, the umpteenth such game actually, after ArcheAge, Wildstar, BDO and the rest.

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Dystopiq

It’s destroying it. It’s one of the best selling games on console.

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Bryan Turner

Did you mean WoW killer or something?

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Mewmew

Dude what you’re writing is so confusing. Nobody in their right mind would say this would even have a slight impact on ESO. They’re so totally completely different.

If one or two people did say it (one or two people always say everything) nobody would take them the least bit seriously. Nobody would want to say “I told you so” later because nobody would have taken them seriously to begin with.

We certainly wouldn’t put it the way you would, nobody credible anywhere was saying Destiny 2 would have any effect on ESO, nor was any big group of people saying that.

And besides all of that, what does their cheat detection wrongly banning a small minority of players have to do with what you’re saying? Even more confusing.

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Iain B

What are you even talking about? Nothing about that post makes any sense. Did you reply to the wrong article or something?

Since when is ESO the benchmark for MMOs?

And what on Earth does a first-person looter shooter have to do with a MMORPG?

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deekay_plus

best part is all those games he listed came out before TESO iirc. XD

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Michael

TO THINK THIS GAME WAS GOING TO DESTROY MINECRAFT!

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Schlag Sweetleaf

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deekay_plus

i know software developers playing the game that aren’t getting banned and their computers are a clusterfuck of software development environment to the point they have to nuke their pc’s from orbit every six months as it is.

so yeah these excuses fall as flat as the previous excuses.

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Mewmew

It’s easy to say “It’s not happening to me or people I know so you must be cheaters” – until it does actually happen to you or someone you know.

The sad thing is there are respectable upstanding people on reddit who are actually getting falsely banned, talking about it, and then a bunch of people who got banned for an actual real reason jump on the bandwagon to claim they were falsely banned too and muddle the situation up. It makes it hard to see clearly because of that kind of stuff.

No cheat detection software is absolute. You truly believe their cheat detection is working flawlessly?

I’m kicked off Destiny 2 often because the game says I need to be running it through the Battle.net launcher – which I am. I don’t know any other way to run it. And yet their flawless detection system seems to constantly think I’m running it in some other way and kicking me off the game.

These detection systems aren’t flawless. They admitted already that a number of people were banned in error, they just tried to muddle up saying the numbers and it was like coughing under their breath to admit it the last time this happened.

There are too many legitimate respected people saying it’s happening for them all to suddenly have become cheaters and liars. Sure, a lot of real cheaters jump in and claim false bans at the same time, but there were a great number of actual false bans in there as well.

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Xijit

On one hand I am sure that most of these are legit bans (there is a very good reason why I refuse to play online shooters on the PC anymore), but on the other hand it also shows that Activision has burred a pretty hard core root kit into the game if it is flagging people for software development programs … which isn’t really that surprising, considering that they are even more evil than EA.

(EA is like Lawful evil … they do bad shit, but there is logic & numbers behind it, and everything they do can be rationalized / Activision is Chaotic Evil where the shit they pull either due to incompetence or flat out malice)

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John Kiser

The big problem with shooters now on PC is the developers stopped making dedicated servers. When we had active mods on servers playing with people and the like cheating might of happened, but the person got banned from the server fast by the mods. Now it is a vote to kick system or system where they detect and ban, or in overwatch’s case they detect or supposedly do (though I think they rely on reports mostly) and then ban large chunks at a time even though the cheaters can end up still in game for quite a bit if they do not ban them soon after.

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caelinus

Honestly I kind of doubt it is actually flagging them for Visual Studio. I have basically every program they mentioned installed on my PC and have received no ban. If they are false flags then they are being caused by something else. Or a lot of people with visual studio installed on their computer are also cheating.

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Xijit

But it doesn’t seem like Bungie is denying that it is these programs that are getting them flagged … makes me think that yeah, it is some kind of hacking / aimbot script that runs in VS instead of VS itself, but that also means that they have injected a root kit pretty far into the OS if they can pick out something like that.

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Dušan Frolkovič

I see it as much more probable that people tried to hook their Visual Studio into the Destiny process to see what they can see.

And to detect a running process you do not need a root kit. Far from it.
A simple .net command is enough.

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caelinus

If I know anything about how internet reports work: 95% of people are actually cheaters pretending there was no cause as some kind of revenge plot. 5% of them actually are false flagged, and those poor people are getting drowned out by the massive number of fraudulent reports.

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silverlock

I think you mostly got it but are off by about 5%.

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