Guild Wars 2 balances classes and adds spectacular new mounts – for a price

Guild Wars 2 patched in new mounts today, and they’re gorgeous. But don’t get too excited; they’re in gated behind a weird new RNG scheme that’s not remotely as bad as lockboxes (but still may mildly annoy you). You decide:

“For a limited time, the new Reforged Warhound mount skin is available in the Style category of the Gem Store for 2,000 gems.ย The Black Lion Stables are pleased to open their doors and offer new mount adoption licenses. Each license will allow you to claim a random mount skin from the Black Lion Stables, and they are available in the Style category of the Gem Store for 400 gems each.”

If you’re familiar with the way SMITE does some of its RNG promos, the new license is kinda like that: You’re at least guaranteed a mount skin out of these lockboxes, but it might not be the one you want, so you’ll be buying and rolling the dice over and over until you get it. Only there are 30 skins. You might be buying and rolling for a while at 400 gems ($5 a pop, or a discounted rate if you buy 10 or 30 at a time). In case you’re wondering, to buy all 30 right now would run you $120 in real cash, though that’ll go up to $150 once the promo is over. It’s worth pointing out we don’t know the odds for getting any of the mounts, only that you do always get one.

Reddit, however, has erupted much more over the class balancing changes. Basically, nobody is happy, except maybe Weavers. So, a balancing patch then.

We’ve included Anet’s quick videos of some of the mounts down below.

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Thomas

In a moment of weakness I … bought … one of the skins.

Wouldn’t you know it was a skin for the griffon, the only mount I do not have and have no intention of grinding to get. Beware, all ye non-griffon-owners! :(

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Rhapsody

You dont know the odds but you always get one, hmm.

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possum440 .

So many gamer’s with zero self control.

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Xephyr

Nope, I love GW2 and have over 7k hrs in it and will probably continue playing it until the day the servers go offline, but this is BS and Anet deserves to be called out on it.

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Nathan Aldana

Yeah. Lootboxes. Fuck that.

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Bryan Turner

From what I can tell more people are pissed off at the Lock Box Gambling these Mounts are hidden behind, I will not be buying any of these mounts until they are sold ala carte, at a reasonable price 400 gems. my discretion, with no element of RNG.

I am not afraid of spending money in their cash shop, lately I’ve been dropping roughly $40 every 2 weeks in Gems, 4 weeks ago I spent $20 to buy the Spooky Mounts because I knew what I was buying, after PoF was announced I bought the $80 version because it came with the game for $30 $50 worth of gems and Extras ontop of that.

I may even be a whale.

I do how ever have my standards!

On a positive note they buffed Necromancer Power Reaper with massive buffs, we have a long way to go before we are optimal for Raiding, however we have enough burst potential to not be considered charity cases in Tier 4 Fractals.

Oh and to all you whining bitching Warriors and Druids suck it up cry babies, ANet just broke your strangle hold over the PVE Meta and it’s about god damn time, nerfing Phalanx Strength and Grace of the Land was a giant buff for every one that was just considered ‘plus ones’ when it came to Raids.

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Arktouros

The real travesty of the mount skins is they sell you all 30 for 9600 gems but you can only buy 8000 gems at a time.

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Arktouros

The sky’s on fire…Majestic AF

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Castagere Shaikura

RNG i wear this game since HOT does everything i hate and i won’t play it.

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threeknee

The mount licenses are pretty much identical to Smite skin chests. And those were not really a problem. It’s just cosmetic stuff, no reason for an uproar. Especially when actual content updates are free for everyone.

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Peregrine Falcon

Which content updates are free? The story missions and zones for Heart of Thorns, or the story missions and zones for Path of Fire? Those free ones?

Not disagreeing that there’s no reason for an uproar. Just pointing out that the majority of the new content updates are NOT free.

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hugmonster

Why it gotta be RNG?

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Arktouros

You know why.

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Bryan Turner

Because they don’t want big daddy spending his money?<<<

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atatahir

Does any one know if the skins are account bound or if they can be sold on the trading post?

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Arktouros

Basically you open the package and you get 1 of the 30 skins you don’t own. As you keep opening them it keeps adding them like that till 30/30.

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hugmonster

They get automatically added to your account wardrobe :/

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miol

I was just waiting for Anet to show its true face again, and how they were gonna start to milk their precious new favorite feature!

/ugh

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life_isnt_just_dank_memes

Yay! GW2’s cash shop is just as gross as BDO’s now!

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Arktouros

As a BDO and GW2 player I find GW2’s cash shop far worse than BDO’s cash shop by far.

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Thomas Zervogiannis

This is grossly misleading. BDO’s cash shop is far, far worse in every aspect (played both):

– expensive pets with RNG mechanics (breeding)
– one-off use of RNG dyes
– expensive character bound costumes vs account bound unlocks
– value pack (subscription) with important gameplay and power boosts such as market tax reduction, inventory and town storage and weight boosts
– expensive costumes with power boosts such as the Lavienta costume
– the same shenanigans with pearls that GW2 does with gems (put something for the prices of X+a bit, when you can buy X pearls)
– … and many many more

They designed every aspect of their gameplay to monetize it nickel-and-dime style, in a disgusting way.

I will not support ANet’s (or anyone’s) RNG offerings, I still believe it is scammy from anyone to ask me money and not know what I am getting in return. But I always felt that ANet’s pricing and offerings overall were fair and generous, and I never had the need to run to the cash shop unless I wanted to support them. With BDO I always had the game nagging me to spend money in their cash shop (even with friggin popups: you are overweight, hey why not pay for weight upgrades in the cash shop)

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Arktouros

Not misleading at all friend.

While pets definitely have an RNG upgrade mechanics to them you know exactly what you’re getting when you buy one. GW2’s loot upgrade mechanic, auto looting, requires you to not only buy an expansion (HOT) but also work up the Mastery to unlock it.

Who uses Dye with Merv’s Palette around? I’ve never bought a single one and still have over a year of Merv’s Palette time to unlimited dye my gear. Compared this to GW2 where much of it’s rare dyes are locked behind RNG gambling crates of which Dye you’re going to get with artificial scarcity to thrown in to boot.

Expensive Costumes are relative. Since BDO’s can be sold on the marketplace that has lead to me purchasing 15 of my costumes from other players for Silver. GW2 on the other hand has many cosmetics locked into gambling crates that are relatively uncommon (requiring around 25 keys on average to get them). There was even once a Black Lion Skin set that required only Black Lion Tickets that couldn’t be purchased.

The Value Pack is great, but like most BDO’s offerings is a bit sinister in that it’s good but not so good to make a difference between people. For example people without Value Packs can save up their market goods and buy one every few weeks with Loyalty to get their big ticket silver sales off the market with the silver boost. Much of the costumes are a non-factor for impact on game. There’s no actual Laventia’s Outfit.

However what is an impact in game for GW2 is the ability to buy gems and literally throw your credit card at the game in an unlimited fashion (BDO caps this amount each week). Vast majority of all new cosmetic items, and in a game with basically no armor upgrades cosmetics are the end game, are done via the cash shop with ocassional 2-4 new sets in a paid expansion (zero paid expansions in BDO so far). The vast majority of unique looking items like Legendaries in GW2 are extremely easy to swipe your card a few times and simply buy the majority of the things you need especially with their change away from story driven Precursors to simply buying/harvesting lots of wood/metal. Now the RNG Gambling Mounts as well.

Objectively speaking, GW2 is j+ust worse than BDO.
(PS: You can turn cash shop notifications off ;) )

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Thomas Zervogiannis

First off, I hope saying “misleading” did not come off as rude, I did not mean to imply that your intention was to mislead, but I still stand behind that statement.

Second, correcting myself, I meant the “venecil” outfit, and it actually makes a big difference to have it if you bulk process – not the non-existent “Lavientia”. Old man’s flawed memory :) Plus AFAIR there is a costume/item/whatever that gives an edge in every combat or non-combat aspect of that game, however small or large. Also important that for many the game is a competitive one. The only competitive segment in GW2 is sPVP, which is completely equalized, as far as the cash shop is concerned (not talking about balancing issues here).

RNG offerings: to put it abstractly, if one pays A to get effect B, if RNG sneaks in any part of the process, that is paying to get a random effect. Applied to the examples of GW2 and BDO, in GW2 lockboxes you always get RNG loot from the crate. In BDO, if and only if your intention is to get a T1 pet, you pay for what you get. If your intention is to breed (as it is for many to raise the tier), you pay for a random outcome, no matter how you put it.

Cosmetics, dyes: in both games you can buy them with RL money. @Schmidt.Capela put it excellently and clearly in his comment below, and you also raised the same issue: whether you prefer one approach or the other depends on (a) how gamebreaking and important cosmetics are for you, compared to other power or gameplay aspects (b) whether you directly or indirectly want to support lockboxes (by buying the skins off TP). I personally find BDO character-only overpriced costumes a rip-off and sniping from the marketplace tedious as opposed to buying skins off TP in GW2, YMMV.

Autoloot, QoL: Unlocking auto loot comes with HOT for its price, along with a lot of content. In BDO, the expansion content is free, but buying pets for the same auto loot functionality comes up at the same price, maybe more, and you miss a ton of other QoL features that are hidden behind different paywalls.

Value pack is essentially a subscription, which you pay one way or another: either in cash, or with in-game money (aka your time) plus the effort of sniping it from the market (ugh). It is not free. Plus you need to adapt your whole schedule of selling at a market with limited slots (30?) when you actually get it for a few days, according to your scheme. And what about storage limitations? Too limiting and annoying.

I know you can turn the notification off and I did when I was playing, it still left a horrible impression to me. I am not one of those gamers that think everything should come free, I am paying whenever I feel the pricing is fair. But I feel BDO’s overall monetization is nickel-and-dime and predatory, and that they intentionally cripple aspects of their gameplay more than they should in order to monetize them.

I still believe that GW2’s monetization overall is exceedingly fair. Also, I still consider their lockboxes and the new mount feature scammy and will not support them.

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Arktouros

People gotta get a lot more personal than that to get me to bristle at rudeness haha.

Equating Pets and RNG Gamble Black Lion boxes or now the new mounts one are simply not the same thing. If I spend $2 in GW2 I have no idea what I am going to get. If I spend $11 in BDO I am going to get a pet. I can choose to take that further and buy more pets and mash them together for a random result, but when I spend that $11 each time I’m getting exactly what I expected from it.

Except you can only buy black lion skins they allow to be sold on the AH. The over all trend in the last few iterations of their lockboxes have included numerous items that can’t be sold on the AH. At one point even a whole weapon set. In a game where you cap out your equipment very easily (IE: Ascended and done) cosmetics take on an even more prominent role that players go after in a horizontally designed end game.

GW2’s QOL of features are equally stored behind a paywall of having to buy an expansion to access them. If you don’t buy POF you can’t get mounts which are a strong QOL feature. Same goes with Gliding and we talked about auto loot. We could argue about pricing, but fundamentally both are doing the same thing. BDO doesn’t charge for it’s Mediah, Valencia, Valencia 2, Magoria, Kamasilvia, or Kamasilvia 2 expansions nor adding numerous classes for people to play (again, for free, and include characters slots to put them in) by comparison. Quibbling over QOL sales at that point when any traditional game would have charged you numerous times over for that content just seems a bit silly to me.

Value pack continues the trend of what we’re talking about QOL feature additions. It’s not necessary, but it’s nice. Really that’s the sort of sinister thing people accurately bring up about BDO is that most of what it sells is not necessary, but it’s nice. The Karki outfit processing is not necessary, but it’s nice. Maids are not necessary, but they’re nice. So on and so forth. Similarly when I play GW2 I have my Perma Bank/Vendor/AH/etc contracts. The QOL of them is immense, but would you consider them “necessary?” I wouldn’t.

The reason why I find GW2 worse is because, ultimately, I could spend unlimited amount of money in it and as time has moved on in the last year or so it’s only gotten worse.

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hardy83

Say that when you can buy vanity armour that gives a competitive advantage.

While I do with mounts skins remain a gem purchase rather than the faux gambling boxes, it’s no where near as bad as BDO.

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blah blazh

how so?

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kalamari_

bullshit.

there is not one p2w aspect in GW2’s gemshop and it has not one item that is absolutely necessary.

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Bryan Turner

I shouldn’t have to potentially spend over $100 dollars before getting the skins I actually want, I spend almost $100 a month on Gems as it is, I do not spend anything when it involves RNG and I can not pick what I am buying whether it is cosmetic or not. Oh yeah and all my Ascended Armor and weapons were not made through grinding buddy, I bought that with a debit card legally buying gold to cover the crafting costs (I’m pretty confident that’s Pay to Win and I’m not ashamed to admit I did it either)

again the difference is even if I did pay to win it did not involve RNG.

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Toy Clown

The difference is that GW2’s endgame is “fashion wars”. Everything done in the game is about grabbing skins. In that regard, GW2 IS P2W. The devs know their target audience, cultivate it, and their business practices are going the way of “scammy”, just like FFVIX’s 18$ single-character outfits on the mog station combined with a sub, just like ESO’s lockboxes, sub and fluff, etc.

Developers are figuring out how to burn the candle at both ends with the least uproar, and that’s by disguising it behind the “but it’s not P2W.”

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Frank White

Yeah, sorry, but the endgame is not all about skins, unless you personally choose to make it all about skins. You can’t hold AN responsible for some people’s psychological propensity to overvalue things with no intrinsic worth. :)

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kalamari_

“fashion wars” is made up by the community and not from the devs.

there is tons of “normal” end game in GW2. so dont be stupid.

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Bryan Turner

I speak to truth and agree with this comment 100%.

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Line

Pretty mounts.
Price not so pretty though.

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Alex Hyer

This game’s artstyle is pretty damn puke enducing.

Its like an anime, having a nightmare.

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TomTurtle

Great mount skins, but I won’t be getting any of these due to the RNG. I know many others will get them regardless so this monetization method won’t be going away. Black Lion chests are still here among the other RNG boxes they’ve tried. Just leaves me feeling sour about the whole thing because I really would get some of these skins individually.

Some nice balance changes to hopefully diversify raid comps, which while I don’t raid, I’m glad for those that do.

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Indigo Salma

Kinda envy the rich people at this point… XD

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Bryan Turner

Don’t I blow almost $100 a month on this game, but I won’t spend it on something RNG based.

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kalamari_

two things:

when you unlock one skin, it will never drop for you again. so your chances grow with every try.

second: 400gems in this game is NOTHING when you trade gold for it. (most ppl conveniently “forget” about the exchange all the time)

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Bryan Turner

The thing is I don’t want to spend money on skins I have zero interest in until I get the ones I want.

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rahkeesh

Unless you are a TP baron, you get less gems/hour farming gold than farming a minimum wage job. You don’t hear about the gold exchange because its never an argument. Doubly so if you are debating P2W or not.

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miol

when you unlock one skin, it will never drop for you again. so your chances grow with every try.

Sounds like:

“Aren’t we all bed-wetters anyway? At least you’re gonne get free adult diapers from us!”

– No, Anet, we’re not all “bed-wetters”! :/

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bereman99

I’d be curious to know how many players find 130g to be a lot in-game and something they aren’t prone to spend quickly (note – 130g is the current exchange rate for 400 gems).

Might answer why the exchange is so often “forgotten” – if most players feel like they can’t actively afford doing the exchange, they aren’t likely to think about it as an option.

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Bryan Turner

I could easily farm that in 2 weeks if spent all my time in Auric Basin and Silver Wastes, how ever I’d rather have fun doing what I want and whip out my debit card instead.

But then I do not worship RNGesus and will not donate to that church.

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kalamari_

the exchange rate will go down again. and its not about how high the price is, its about how fast you can accumulate gold in GW2. and I dont mean some crazy farming until your eyes bleed, I mean normal playing.

dailies 2g, daily gathering with your chars 10-12g (takes 30-35 minutes), daily t4 fractals 15g. that is around 30g every day.

and you want to tell me that 3-4 days of playing is too much for 400 gems?

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bereman99

I made no judgment about it being too much (so kindly chill on that), I simply wondered how many players in general find that to be a high amount and if that influences them forgetting it’s an option.

I do, however, think you’re overestimating how good most players are at accumulating wealth. Most players just aren’t any good at it for one reason or another, which is hardly unique to GW2. I’ve seen it in every MMO I’ve played.

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Annoyed badger

“Each license will allow you to claim a RANDOM mount skin from the Black Lion Stables”

And thats why I no longer play.

Sell me a mount skin, fair enough, sell me the chance to perhaps get the one I want..fuck off.

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Thomas Zervogiannis

Even though I will never buy anything that gives random stuff for real money, for GW2 and ANet I am more than willing to not begrudge them, and keep supporting them (by buying the rest of their items, NEVER their lockboxes and RNG offerings), just because their offering and monetization is completely fair and actually pretty generous in everything that affects gameplay and content.

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Bryan Turner

That’s where I’m at, I just hope their folly in RNG falls flat on its face so that I can buy these skins eventually at my discretion (personally I think they should look at people like us that spend a lot of money, look at our spending patterns and at least offer us that option considering they know at least we’re good for the money).

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blah blazh

or just don’t buy the skin? no reason not to play, you can completely ignore it

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Sunken Visions

How about we just don’t play the game? You can completely ignore it too ya know.

There are lots of games that allow you to obtain cosmetics in-game, without paying anything extra. Why should anyone support greedy behavior? How far can they push this kind of monetization before it bothers you?

Don’t be stupid, stop supporting companies that treat their customers like cash cows.

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Kevin Smith

This is one of the only games with a cash shop that doesn’t treat there customers like cash cows. Feel entitled much do you. You go make a game with your own money, sell it for box price only then keep it going for years without other forms of income. These are things that you don’t need, yeah it is nice to have them but nothing in their cash shop actually is need to progress in any way. Also you don’t have to spend a penny on anything in the game. You can play the game get gold and convert it into gems and buy whatever you wish, but again that entitlement rage that game companies owe you everything for free is all the rage these days.

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blah blazh

Do you think GW2 treats their customers like a cash cow? Really?

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kalamari_

no, these days ppl cant anymore. somehow they get personally offended by these things. but they are always in the first row and say “game ded” when the quarterly earnings report comes in…

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Schmidt.Capela

My own take on it is, if whatever can only be obtained through chance is something I really want, I will immediately stop playing the game instead.

So, adding lootboxes or similar gambling scams don’t necessarily drive me away. What drives me away is making me feel like I need to take part in order to get what I want.

(BTW, I don’t care if players can resell the item on the AH or by direct trading. If it’s original source is exclusively lootboxes, then I will refuse to purchase it from other players as well, because I don’t want to support the lootbox scam in any shape or way, even if indirectly.)

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Thomas Zervogiannis

This is excellent and to-the-point, and all those arguing whether skins are p2w or over any other silly semantics, should read your comment.

The point is: do the devs hide my satisfaction from the game behind a paywall with random outcome? If yes, then screw that, I will play another game. And this shows the flaw in this type of monetization in GW2.

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Matthรคus Wey

Well the last few reports were rather bad so…

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kalamari_

that is the point. what do you think are these boxes for?

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Bryan Turner

I would have bought the ones I wanted, I will never reward a practice that relies on RNG.

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