Star Citizen has put out yet another expensive concept ship, and it’s a tank – literally

File this one under “bad press is still press right guys” or possibly “are you even kidding me right now”: Star Citizen announced today that it’s whipped up another concept ship, only it’s not a ship; it’s a tank. The pre-sale is currently open to folks who already purchased one of the Tumbril vehicles. The price? The warbond version starts at $95, and with addons, you can run your bill up to a reported $725. And lest we forget, we’re talking about concept vehicles, here; these are not items that will be accessible in the game any time soon.

Interestingly, the reception on the fan-stuffed subreddit has been rather chilly, chiefly because folks are there for the space stuff, which this isn’t.

Last week, the Massively OP staff picked Star Citizen to receive our “worst business model of 2017” award. The game currently has 60% of the reader vote to boot.

Also last week, the studio behind the game was sued in a California court by Crytek over its alleged misuse of the engine and copyrights in the development of Star Citizen and Squadron 42, the latter of which is scheduled for an infodump later this week. CIG has vehemently denied the allegations and signaled its intent to fight the suit.

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markfromindy

Because Chris Roberts hasn’t made enough money off this thing yet.

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Sally Bowls

I didn’t really understand the recent hate for the selling of moon land. I just don’t see any significant distinction if CIG asks for donations and offers pixels for land or space ships or ground ships. Whether you are excited or dubious to donate, I don’t think the type of virtual pixels matter that much. YMMV

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shear

The gameplay behind spaceships exists to some extent.
The gameplay behind land claims does not.
The gameplay behind tanks does not.

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Joe Blobers

Crowdfunding concept…. You pledged for something that does not exist… Aurora, Gladius, Connie, Hornet… all of them were a nice picture until we get them in Arena Commander/PU… At time of pledge we knew ships were supposed to fly… and not much.
Tank will have a tank gameplay like Ursa have a ground vehicle gameplay with or without turret/missile.

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agemyth 😩

Well they finally put out footage of S42 with Mark Hamill in it, so I guess they need to make the money back from that 2 minutes they gave us.

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Armsbend

Movie tie in fund raiser. *yawn*

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Alex Willis

To adapt the tag line from the trailer…

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Seaton

keep the welfare coming in until they find an A.I. to complete the game for them.

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Jon Wax

every time a see a story about SC it reminds me to ask one simple question:

how is Dual Universe doing?

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Melissa McDonald

I have to admit that one has captured my imagination… Landmark in Space? YES!

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deekay_plus

they showed off some live server game play stuff a couple months ago. was quite impressive.

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Armsbend

This scam has become an even bigger joke than I ever envisioned it could become.

I like the fact that no content will be created going forward unless people pay up.

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agemyth 😩

It is difficult to for me to even have anything to say about this crap anymore. I don’t always agree with your approach, but I applaud your dedication to the good cause of stating “this is ridiculous and/or unethical” in your own way.

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Armsbend

Thanks. I sincerely feel it is a slap in the face to consumers and has degraded the entire industry. Now that is known to the general populace as more of a joke it’s impact is less so – but Star Citizen continues to be a detriment. Until people wake up, realize they have been had and make this well finally dry up.

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Melissa McDonald

I’m going to be the SC version of a Broke Girl, a 2nd class citizen wheeling around the galaxy in my cheap little starter craft, enjoying none of the benefits of the myriad of ships and vehicles that I was tempted to preorder, probably ganked until I ragequit, or am bankrupted from repairs and maintenance, because I’m not giving them another dime. Is that the game you envisioned, Chris Roberts?

We wish you a merry ship-mas and some happy new gear!

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Armsbend

Likely you just won’t play it because something better will be right there beside it.

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shear

You know when a big publisher starts money grabbing it’s disgusting but you know that there is a board of directors that don’t know anything about video games that make those decisions,

However, when an independent developer does it, you know it’s rotting from the inside.

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Armsbend

What if it were a scam the entire time? From concept to execution a scam to fund his next Hollywood dream.

At this point I’d say the odds of that are much higher than it not being that.

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Shiro Madoushi

Store Citizen is the best damn game you will ever play through a browser window.

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Knox Harrington

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Skyrant

The Chris Roberts approach to game design.

1. Promise features, game-play and content. The dream game for everyone.
2. Create concepts, items and fancy teasers.
3. Sell concepts, items and dreams.
4. TAKE $$$ AND GOTO #2
5. Create Game.

The man is accruing so much engineering debt not even 10 years and 500 million will be enough to produce this game.

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Oleg Chebeneev

You just missing few points:
1. There are dozens of ships and vehicles already in game. They as well were sold before and now fully finished and flight ready.
2. People who work on ships/vehicles are a small part of development team. There are hundreds of people who working on other things from gameplay mechanics to producing assets, designing planetary stations, programming NPC’s AI or creating unique weathers or doing cutscenes for SQ42.
Ships are what financing the project, its why we hear alot about them. But massive effort is being done in many other fields

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shear

I thought this was a space game. :D

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Jon Wax

creates more space in your wallet?

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edangerous

I believe Chris now calls it the best damn everything sim ever.

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Oleg Chebeneev

Fans a chill not because its a tank but because it looks very generic

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obsessite

The most expensive package you have highlighted in this piece includes much more than just the new tank:

Thirteen different ground vehicles, including the new tank, some of them limited editions now otherwise unobtainable outside the grey market.
A model of each for your hangar.
The most expensive hanger type available (Revel & York)
Limited edition skins for many of the vehicles, not otherwise obtainable.
*Lifetime insurance on all contents

Later today, CIG will be showing off their first single player game, Squadron 42. Let’s see what CIG have done with their millions.

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Armsbend

They are going to bubblegum some shit together to avoid that lawsuit. Gamers will fall for it but not the techheads and lawyers.

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edangerous

The most expensive package you have highlighted in this piece includes much more than just the new tank:

Thirteen different ground vehicles, including the new tank, some of them limited editions now otherwise unobtainable outside the grey market.
A model of each for your hangar.
The most expensive hanger type available (Revel & York)
Limited edition skins for many of the vehicles, not otherwise obtainable.
Lifetime insurance on all contents

Oh, that makes it all alright then….
/rolleyes

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obsessite

Perhaps not, in your opinion, @edangerous. But there is a lot more to the expensive package than just the new tank. It wasn’t clear in the article, so I felt it only fair that I put the contents down for people to see.

Doesn’t mean I agree with it. Like the sale of land parcels a month or so ago, this is another attempt by CIG’s marketing team to make gold out of previous gamers experiences. “Oh look, exclusivity” will always open the wallets of those with plenty of spare money to throw around. CIG are just exploiting this. Money people would say it’s good business, although morally it’s a little grayer than that.

I certainly did not agree with the sale of land, and vehemently expressed my view to CIG on their forums/chat. Given land rushes we’ve seen in other MMOS (ArchAge being one I personally experienced), it was a easy sell, and does make you wonder why there’s such an apparent need to bring in a lot of new money, quickly..

However, I’ve left my tinfoil hat in the drawer, and will wait to see how it pans out. I still support CIG and the development of their games on the whole, but there are many things I do cringe at.

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Skyrant

limited editions now otherwise unobtainable outside the grey market

Pretty much says it all: Limited edition digital items. What a scam.

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obsessite

Other games sell limited edition digital items @skyrant. This isn’t exclusive to CIG. Whether you agree with it or not, it’s not a criticism that can be levelled exclusively at CIG.

The grey market exists because of CIGs marketing choices. It is not supported in any way, and is an extreme risk to use. My advice would be to stay well away from it, readers.

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Skyrant

So it’s O.K. because a few others do it?

Selling limited digital fantasy items that do not exist for a game that does not exist. Nothing is O.K. about that. It’s a scam.

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Dividion

Just because it isn’t finished and hasn’t launched yet doesn’t mean it does not exist. When the baby’s still in the womb, you can still buy clothes and diapers for it, even if you’re not sure of the delivery date. If it’s still not born by the expected date, does that make the whole pregnancy a scam? Do you accuse the doctor and parents of being liars? Anyone who’s paid attention to the videos each week and hopped into the alpha builds can see that it’s coming along.

By your logic, PUBG didn’t exist until today either.

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Armsbend

At the risk of being in extremely poor taste: Star Citizen is going to be still-born.

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Michael18

“first” single player game?
Will there be more?

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obsessite

Undoubtedly. The studios and tech involved in the creation of SC and SQ42 will be put to use for expansions to SQ42 and other future, unrelated games and digital entertainment.

The tech CIG have to put people in-game could lead to digital TV shows created in-engine. CR is no fool. He’s expecting SQ42 and SC to be his magnum opus, and the tech will then be used by CIG, and licensed out to other software houses to create more games.

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Skyrant

1. You are not allowed to re-sell anything when you use Lumberyard.
2. The quality of this is nowhere near Pixar or Disney.

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obsessite

The tools that CIG have created which work with CryEngine/Lumberyard are CIG IP, and hence can be resold.

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deekay_plus

they’re built on them and are derivitive of amazon and CT’s IP. they can sell them no more than trino can sell tech derived from gamebryo they developed for rift.

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obsessite

A lot of it existed in the old Star Engine (what it was called under vanilla CryEngine), but they were engineered by CIG, not CryTek. I can’t see how anything developed for the CryTek engine, but not by CryTek, automatically becomes CryTek property.

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deekay_plus

that doesn’t matter. they still don’t have a right to resell that tech as it’s dependent on IP that doesn’t belong to them.

it’s not that their code is CT’s IP. it’s that it depends on and is deriviative of CT’s IP.

if they did an amazon style deal with CT to buy the IPrights they could resell it, then and only then.

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WarKrazz

This is an optional pledge, nothing more.

The Nova will make a fine addition to my ground vehicle fleet, adds new capabilities.
Hopefully it will fit in the Polaris vehicle hangar :)
Otherwise one has to use the Merchant Man , but it will at least be able to land multiple tanks..

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cmdr_cotic

When they initially discussed concept sales I honestly thought they were going to be an occassional thing, maybe one sale a quarter but it seems like they’re shovelling them out as fast as they can think them up. It’s awful and really feels like it’s betraying the spirit of what crowdfunding is meant to be about.

The last thing they need to be doing is increasing the scope, they’ve got so much technical debt as it stands but here they are adding land purchases, ground bases, tanks and all the necessary gameplay to go with it on top of everything they haven’t even started yet.

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deekay_plus

“there’s no feature creep in star citizen” – the fandom pretending that they haven’t been adding new features to the list at break neck pace for the past 2+ years.

XD

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Mikka Hansen

CR found the philosophers’ stone. Just instead of turning lead into gold, he’s turning sheer stupidity into cash

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Michael18

I’m somewhat ok-ish with the basic idea of “selling” concepts in order to fund a game if they are clearly saying: don’t see this as a product, just “buy” it if you want to donate for development.

But I see two problems:
1. these ridiculous exclusivity shenanigans that make it look like some uber marketing scheme (Dad Supreme summarized it acutely in his comment, below),
2. how do they EVER want to build a healthy in-game economy on top of this pre-release cash shop frenzy? Not saying I can prove it’s impossible, time will tell. But I’m glad I don’t have to design that.

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Nick

I wonder what kind of Stockholm syndrome people must be suffering from to defend practices like this.

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DoomSayer

Why do you care so much about what they offer for sale when they come out and say don’t buy the concepts unless you want to help fund the game? No one is making anyone buy anything. How does this hurt you or anyone else? You can get the whole game for $45 and earn everything else in game. Obviously they are doing it wrong. I mean they have only raised $174 million (or will have very soon). Boy they are really doing it wrong.

Maybe try criticizing after YOU try and develop a huge AAA game via crowd funding. Also, go ahead and keep calling people dumb for spending $1,000+ on a video game. Pretty sure they are doing something very right if they have that kind of disposable income.

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Estranged

Doom, you do understand impulsive people will just swipe their credit cards to buy a ship.

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Melissa McDonald

Pretty sure they are doing something very right if they have that kind of disposable income.

“A fool and his money are soon parted.”

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Dantos

How long is it going to take to earn in game in order to justify the $(insert ship price) tag? Because if they are too easy to get, god help Roberts because the whales will crucify him.

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draugris

Because like the ships we are talking about something that participate in fights and we do not know how CIG plans to let people catch up that just buy the game (if it will release sometimes eventually). So saying that it does not hurt anybody else is simply false, we do not know yet. I personally do not support this, it smells too much like pay to win for me.

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malibutomi

Really easy. Everyone can get these ingame and everyone starts in the secure systems. Noone will come and grief you in your starter ship risking he will be blown to pieces….and probably you won’t jump into the lawless zones instantly in your puny starter ship.

Why shoul i care about some guy having a tank in his cruiser if i won’t see him until i feel confident and ready to go and venture into dangerous places?

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deekay_plus

and when will that happen? how many more years will we have of early access gameplay without any way for these people to obtain more powerful ships and the current starter ships being nonviable in any of the gameplay that is present for the foreseeable future?

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malibutomi

Why should i care? Until it’s in early acces i don’t care, because i don’t lose anything. If it’s going live i won’t care either.

Time si your problem? That you can’t get better ships in the alpha? Before as with every game they wipe it before live?

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deekay_plus

it’s been in early access for four fucking years now. ffs.

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malibutomi

So what? It’s been as you call it “early access” for 4 years because it is crowdfunded and they promised access for the backers from the get go. If GTA 5 would have been open and you could have played it from the beginning would you have cried all over the internet why it is in early access for 4 years? Sorry stupid question ofc you would have.
you just can’t wrap your mind around the fact the only difference here is that we see development from the beginning.
That’s why usually game companies only allow people to beta a short time before live.

I just can’t understand why people like you spend their day following something they don’t like and moaning at every article about it.
Following something or someone you don’t like ona daily basisis an issue you know…called obsession.

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deekay_plus

what does it being crowdfunded have to do with anything?

it’s been in early access for four years withojut a means to obtain any of the cash shop items through actual game play.

and no REC doesn’t count.

i like star citizen the game. i play it regularly and have fun playing it despite the warts. it dosn’t mean i can’t have criticism of the company behind it’s behaviour and greediness and dishonesty.

we development from teh beginning of a lot of games for the past decade. none of them do cash shops in early access without some scorn and all of them have in game progression from the beginning.

how hard is that to grasp? in what world do you live in that this isn’t increasingly worse shitshow revenue model and marketting wise?

they couldn’t have made a much worse choice than to do this concept sale at this particular time in light of the realities of the state of development. what’s so hard to accept about that? why do they need to be unecessarily defended on any shitty thing they do every month of the year every year?

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draugris

Well a lot of games out there selling something with ingame advantages make that bullshit excuse “hey you can also get that ingame”. That is totally not the point, the question is how long and what does it take to get that. So i am sorry i don´t buy that.

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malibutomi

Well this is not thegame what you play just to get better stuff. This is not War Thunder or WOT. This is a slower sandbox game, so the focus is not on how and when can i get the bigger things.

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draugris

In a game that has pvp it´s always about the bigger things but i guess the poor bastards will find that out themselfes eventually when they will get destroyed by whales.

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Skyrant

the focus is not on how and when can i get the bigger things.

The focus is, do i have enough $ to buy it.

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malibutomi

Well if you are ignorant, and can’t wait to get it in game then yes.

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Estranged

CR says big spenders would be upset if scrubs could catch up with them quickly.

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Nick

I don’t support this game but I care insomuch that these headlines have replaced the morning funnies on my comedy reading list.

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oldandgrumpy

I am sure Crytek will be pleased.

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CMDR ShrunkenQuasar

I can’t decide which is sadder. That there are people who would pay up to $725 for a concept tank that isn’t currently a part of their not-yet-a-video-game, or that there are people for whom the problem with paying for a concept tank in a concept video game is that it’s a tank and not a spaceship. What a surreal world we live in.

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Rhime

LOL..now you’re just being silly. So you may have to work a bit, use your imagination and some game smarts early on or (gulp!) join an Org to advance yourself from your starter ships. Pfft…

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Blake

Suckers!! Wish I could meet some of these supporters so I can sell them magic rocks for 100$

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Schlag Sweetleaf

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Dividion

The million dollar question right now, (or potential millions for CIG in the coming months), is “how will this be transported?”, since it’s pretty much too large for any ship they’ve released so far to move, other than perhaps a landed Idris.

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silverlock

Can you even land an Idris? I thought they had to be out in space the whole time, or did they change that? I know originally capital ships where supposed to be in space and vulnerable to boarding and capture 24/7 but I supposed when they started taking money for them that went out the window.

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Dividion

Yes, they’ve said it for years that the Idris could land, and even demonstrated the Idris landing during the CitizenCon presentation. Also, no player-purchased ships are persistent. If you captured a Bengal Carrier, or found a derelict one and fixed it up, that would be persistent, since you’d never technically “own” it.

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deekay_plus

the answer to that seem to be the outposts where you can spawn vehicles and ships. otherwise it’s a shit show trying to transport them barring any major changes to their physics grid handling and criminal system.

but ye this tank is too big for any actual ship barring the w/e carrier bullshit.

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Doctor Sweers

Focus! Focus! Focus!

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mistressbrazen

I am neither for nor against the development of Star Citizen, but this ongoing squeezing of additional money smells bad to me. I mean, I hope the game is at least one half of what people are hoping for, but maybe … it’s time for some investigation into the financial practices but an entity other than a gaming blog…

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silverlock

So whats to stop me from just popping one of these things with a missile as I fly by at supper sonic speeds?

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Wyat Gynocide

Ehm all the ships in SC fly at the speed of WW2 rotor planes. It’s the future after all.

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Dividion

I think that depends on whether you’re committing a criminal action or not, whether you’re okay with the consequences, and whether the target is in a no-fly zone to begin with.

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Chris Moss

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA /inhales HAHAHAHAHAHA

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Dividion

Those are fake laughs.

Wait. No, those were real.

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Koshelkin

Ha, I was asking myself if they forgot their new concept sale to go with the SQ42 trailer. AND HERE IT IS.

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TheDonDude

Gotta get a jump start on that Worst Business Model 2018 award, I guess.

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Raimo Kangasniemi

I think this as glass being half full than half empty: Ground vehicle combat = Good.

Oh, and thinking of a very recent political event, everything the Whales spent should be somehow trickling down to us hoi polloi gamers, right? ;)

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styopa

Well Chris Roberts has to pay SOMEONE to clean his office, no?

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A Dad Supreme

Based on recent political events, that means you’ll get a piece of a tank tread while the Whales get the tank.

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silverlock

More like you get to be run over by the tank for just a small fee.

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A Dad Supreme

The pre-sale is currently open to folks who already purchased one of the Tumbril vehicles.

So… it’s a pre-sale sale vehicle only to buyers who pre-bought other vehicles for sale in a game which they were pre-sold before just about anyone else.

I don’t use the word “rube” often but man… Roberts sure can spot ’em. He’s even following the first rule: Make ’em feel “special”.

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Joe Blobers

Quote: “Make ’em feel “special”

In short, CIG apply marketing rules done by everybody on the planet. All vendors do have special attention to their most involved members.
A tank is not different of a fish-tank :) it is providing alternate support for those not looking to pew-pew but farm, mine, build ground base.

Nothing but a starter package is needed. Everyhting else is voluntary and help to create future new gameplay while funding current game development until the final business model is up and running.

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cmdr_cotic

Why is it that all these apologists make exactly the same empty buzzing noise?

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obsessite

I don’t think it makes someone an apologist if they reiterate that whilst these sales are coming about more often than is seemly, nobody has to buy them. These sales are mostly for the people who genuinely believe that the project will deliver something special.

At the moment, the public has seen the development of the tools, and the output thereof. Today, with the holiday stream, we will see something palpable: Squadron 42.

As a single player stand alone game, this needs to shine, in order to restore faith in some jaded backers, and to show the detractors that the project isn’t a gigantic con with fancy concept art.

Regardless of which side of the fence people are on, SQ42 is what CIG will be judged on.

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cmdr_cotic

Regardless of which side of the fence people are on, SQ42 is what CIG will be judged on.

I strongly disagree with this. How the company conducts itself is one of the ways it deserves to be judged. How the company act in light of previous statements is anpther way they deserve to be judged. How the game measures up in comparison to their grandiose claims is another.

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obsessite

That’s fair comment @cmdr_cotic. The way CIG’s marketing machine has been run over the past few years has been a concern of mine as well. Nothing which is said seems to modify their behaviour, and those that front the video productions seem oblivious to criticism, or simply are told to ignore it.

I choose to look at the deliverables for my proof of worth, rather than the way the company behaves. My money went to the development of the game, not PR courses for the front men and women. The conduct disappointing, but as long as they are shown to be getting the job done, I’m content.

Squadron 42 teaser is out (IGN exclusive yesterday) Looks encouraging:

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Xijit

Same mentality as the people who send cash to telemarketers: you just gotta believe … and give a small daily donation … and you will find your way to salvation!

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Joe Blobers

Re-read :”CIG apply marketing rules done by everybody on the planet. All vendors do have special attention to their most involved members”

Not an excuse, not even an opinion… but an information saying this is common practice.

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what-4

Star Citizen: The game people with more money than sense funded.

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ichi sakari

patently offensive and blatantly incorrect, a base insult

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styopa

Funny, I’d say provably true.

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deekay_plus

example: me :D

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Schlag Sweetleaf

You have a very level-headed approach to SC in my opinion,DK. Appreciate your vids and player insight from a neutral standpoint.

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deekay_plus

tbh i quite like the game itself and looking forward to them ironing out various bugs and defencies in 3.0 in the coming weeks and months. i hope to bring guildies in to play semi regularly together at that point.

but even tho i’m recent concierge i still admit the revenue model is predatory especially combined with the reality of their comms which is really just dressed up marketting and generally super high noise to signal ratio and overly romantic at best. nevermind the things they have clearly willfully and conciously lied to us about over the years, or reneged on fully bringing other promises into doubt.

anyways thanks for having my back bro :D i’m just tryna to keep it real on this game.

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Xijit

But at least you are honest about it.

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Armsman

Yes, it’s HORRIBLE that given the size and land area planets and moons will have in the game that they’re selling ground vehicles for use on said planets…what a ripoff…oh, wait.

I love that anything CIG sells for SC is somehow a ripoff or “bad press” as far as MOP is concerned. Also, reminder only a $30 – $45 starter ship package is required to get full access to Star Citizen. That’s it. The rest is up to the individual as to if he/she see value in buying anything else. It’s not like CIG is somehow forcing players to purchase what they offer – the person decides for themselves.

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deekay_plus

it’s time to debunk the $45 gets full access myth in full force.

$45 gets you a copy of the game which is true. but with a ship that isn’t viable in absolutely any content involving ships. and without a way to get around on planets which has become a major focus of the game.

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Oleg Chebeneev

Lol, what a pile of bullshit. Aurora is one of the most versatile ships in game. You can make anything out of it, from trading vessel to combat ship. And when you earn enough money ingame, you can buy ANY ship you want.

Without a way to get around planets? What the hell are you talking about? You can get in ship and fly to any spot on the planet you want and it will be WAY faster then doing it on bike.

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deekay_plus

maybe according to the never has been in line with reality specs page on teh website.

in reality the aurora is a pile of shit that can’t do fuck all in any of the available modules.

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Oleg Chebeneev

It is perfectly fine to do NPC missions and with specific modules it can be used for cargo hauling. So it is well fit to start earning money which is basically its primary focus as a starter ship.

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deekay_plus

no it’s not and those modules arent in game yet.

i’m talking about right now. you’re talking about on paper what it might be YEARS FROM NOW.

no one gives a shit what it might do years from now when they load up the game for the first time and their pea shooters aren’t even breaking the shields of NPC pirates.

no one gives a shit that it might be able to haul cargo years from now when they log in and can’t put a single crate inside because of the ladder crate bug.

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Deekay….seriously your going to be able to buy ships and vehicles in game with earned credits..don’t act as if the current Alpha is the Gameplay model of the even the Beta. The Starter ships are something you fly around in for maybe a couple of days ( less then a week) before you can earn enough to move up to the next tier of ship.

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it’s been 4+ years of early access. WHEN will we be able to earn ships with in game play? and no i don’t mean the lulz that is REC.

and no, the starter ships are viable at absolutely nothing involving progression or gameplay for years now. WHEN will THAT change?>

your pleas fall flat on the grounds for 4 years of legitimate early access testing.

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BDJ

On another note. Can you recommend a decent ship for someone not willing to put much into the game? I want to be able to do content but not spend $400+

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baseline i recomend is the aurora starter package with an ln or lx upgrade for an additional $10. personal experience with flying it and with friends tells me it’s the cheapest for baseline none silliness viability.

there’s a handful of ships between $65 and $110 that do pretty good if you want to spend a bit more and do a fair bit better in their respective areas, which i think right now in 3.0 the cutlass black is probably the best all around for both cargo and dogfighting, if not the best int hat price range at either, and also features multiple seats/a turret so you can play around with that. it’s probably one of the better ships interms of bugs and development state too right now.

otherwise my main go to is the mustang delta which i think they oddly put cargo slots into in the ptu evne tho it’s pure light fighter, which is $65 price tag stand alone and not sure how much any of these cost with “CCU” from a base package.

which none ofthe advanced ships come with game package bundle options anymore. you gotta figure out hte process of using the CCU to upgrade and apply from one of the starter packs.

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obsessite

Early Access is BS, in general. It’s paid-for alpha testing. Simple as. People need to forget the whole marketing nonsense around ‘Early Access’, and realise what it is: paid-alpha testing.

There’s no point getting salty about it. The marketing engine has played all of us beautifully, and we’re idiots for not realising it.

Look at PUBG. It’s live on PC now, but still has problems. The Xbox Game Preview (read: £25 preorder with paid-for alpha testing) is abysmal. I haven’t played since it ‘released’, but I expect rubber-banding to still be a huge issue for the game. It’s not ready for prime time, but untold numbers of people have bought the game. Marketing ftw.

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TheDonDude

I gotta agree with this. In my opinion, the starter ships are not viable for the vast majority of players. The game has no decent content for new players.

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styopa

One might point out it pretty much has no content for ANYONE at this point…

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Bob Dobalina

If you don’t want to buy it, you’re more than free not to. Isn’t like anything that is buyable is mandatory to play the game. And frankly as a backer, the more money people want to pledge to the game the better.

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deekay_plus

you know how i can tell you haven’t never actually played the game? XD

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A Dad Supreme

“ooh ohh.. Mr. Deekayyyyyyyy!”

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deekay_plus

he’s thinks there’s nothing mandatory to buy extra to play the game fully.

>mfw

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What extras do you have to buy to play the game fully?

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deekay_plus

a viable ship to upgrade to and a ground vehicle.

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Joe Blobers

I can understand that an Aurora is not a viable ship on long term if you plan to make some substantial credits.
However it is like asking to WOW: “My first level character is not viable to rush in others area… give me a 20 levels character from start”.
It is all about progression. With ED you start with a pretty weak ship. Then you buy better weapons, ship with larger structure, better shield and so on.
All games an especially MMO do follow this path.

Aurora/Gladius will allow you to familiarize yourself with flight model and system size area.. and of course you will be pretty limited.

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no it’s like if your level 1 character in wow wasn’t viable in the starter zone and there was absolutely no way to get to level 2 or beyond ot be able to do the starter zone content without spending hundreds of extra dollars on the game to be able to do that starter zone.

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Joe Blobers

So you pretend that a guy with an Aurora will NEVER be able to make any credits enough to buy first new weapon, then a bigger ship… This is exactly like ED. It takes quite some effort to change the first ship but it is achievable.

What you say is at best misleading: pretending starter package can’t allow to enjoy a game without throwing more cash…. You have zero clue about the economic model and how long it will take to buy say a Freelancer starting from an Aurora….

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I’ll post this again…

If you think CR is going to let scrubs catch up with whales quickly, you are delusional. Why? He has already said it in a politically correct way. Also, if you think that paying $$$$ for ships will end at launch, delusional.

This is how it will work…

Release a new ship that costs a crazy amount of in game credits. Player buys credits with real money. Player buys the ship.

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