Pearl Abyss to western Black Desert players: ‘We want BDO to last for another 20-30 years’

Pearl Abyss Executive Producer Jaehee Kim has a message for western Black Desert players today. It’s not gonna look all that different to what the companies posted for Korean players earlier in the month, but there are a few new morsels to chew over.

For example, PA reiterates that it plans to reverse its stance on nerfing and buffing (it will nerf stuff from here on out that deserves it rather than succumb to powercreep philosophy). The Musa and Ranger in particular are getting buffs, too. The studio is also working on making the militia system more efficient and player-friendly, to simplify the UI, to craft better patch notes, and to optimize the game client – something players tired of downloading massive files every other week will surely be happy about.

“We dramatically changed our data storage/compression methods and removed all resulting nullified data,” Kim explains. “Based on Korea, the download has decreased to one-third the time it required before. While it does depend on the local network, we expect it to decrease with a similar degree in the NA/EU region as well.”

It won’t surprise you to hear that Kim believes a solid MMORPG can and should run for a long time.

Black Desert Online is very important to us, and we want BDO to last for another 20-30 years. We will continue to improve the gameplay environment, as we accumulate knowledge, and our technology improves. Recently, we released information on the graphic remastering we are currently working on, and hope to release next year. This is only one of the tasks we will use to improve the gameplay environment.”

The comments echo those made by PA executives during its IPO press conference in September, when they argued PC online games have “an extremely long life cycle,” on average between 10 and 11 years.

Meanwhile, Black Desert announced that the brand-new-to-us Mystic class will be awakening at the start of the new year.

“The Mystic, will Awaken on January 3, 2018. Begin the new year with a set of water-based skills as the Mystic gains the ability to channel the force of the ocean in combat. […] Having joined Black Desert Online’s roster last week, the Mystic is an agile fighter who specializes in fast-paced martial arts techniques. With the help of her Awakening Weapon, Cestus, her blows take on the power of rushing waters. Pierce through your enemies using Spiral Torpedo, pull your foes into an orb of water with Dragon’s Rip or send them flying with Tidal Burst. Players can begin the Awakening Quest starting January 3 after regular maintenance if they have reached level 56 with the Mystic.”

Source: Official forums, press release
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Fred Douglas

And I want a car with a ribbon on top for Christmas.

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ebonviper

This game is both beautiful and hollow. There’s nothing to do but grind, grind, grind, grind and play the RNG for literally anything in the game. It’s mesmerizing at first, then it becomes boring fast. Pvp is literally a joke, the classes are completely unbalanced and the constant “little girl” screams in the game make it a real turnoff. Character editor is really good, but forget about customizing the way your character appears , gear wise it’s very limited and VERY expensive if you want to purchase anything from the in game store. It won’t last five years, these guys are just VERY enthusiastic.

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Toy Clown

I’m going to disagree on this. I find BDO has a lot to offer. Many players get caught up in the “I must grind to 60” mindset, and I’ve watched a lot of people skip over the game’s content in their rush to be “competitive”, then complain there’s nothing to do but grind when they reach that point of 56-58.

The game’s lore has become rich compared to release and has been fleshed out more with cut scenes and chain story quests added in. There are a lot of systems and features in place that rival that of what you find in FFXIV, for example. From life skills, ocean content, building ships and fishing, whale and sea monster hunting, land bosses, farming, housing, breeding horses, racing horses, bounty hunter system, PvP sieges, trading, collect and play instruments, building a worker empire, knowledge (lore) and title hunting, working on building gear up, alongside content-rich continents that recently included Valencia and Kamasylvia. With the later, group content has started to make an appearance in BDO and the upcoming Dragon lands will be mostly group only content.

I’ve tried to get away from BDO, but there’s no other MMO like it on the market. As long as I stay away from buying outfits, it’s a great experience. I understand this type of sandbox content isn’t for everyone, as I think most NA-side MMOers are used to content delivered on rails (aka themeparks) and straight up shooters. Attempting to approach BDO from this perspective will leave some with the feeling there’s nothing to do, as they can easily miss it all if they settle in to grind out levels.

I’m excited to hear they have a long-view toward BDO.

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Jacobin GW

Beautiful and hollow is a perfect description for what this game is -> a vegas slot machine.

It will however be around for a long time because the graphics alone put it leagues ahead every other game in the genre.

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ihatevnecks

It’s at three years in Korea, coming up on two years in the west; why won’t it last five years exactly? It seems to be getting even more popular as it goes, at least over here.

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Brinto Sfj

Shame they decided not to start SEA servers, instead they are making a mobile version of BDO which will cater to SEA players….do they really believe PC gamers will play mmorpg on mobile? Best version is KR, f2p and not pay2win, pretty much everything anyone could ask from an f2p mmorpg.

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sapfrompoharan

I assume you are from SEA, they are (in fact) opening server for BDO SEA, last month they did CBT and now preparing for release in few weeks. It looks like you’ve been living in a cave!

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Brinto Sfj

It seems i am living in cave indeed. frankly i had lost any hope of SEA server when they went back on their word that they would release SEA service within a few months of western release. i mostly play KR version from time to time when something new comes up. thanks for the heads up.

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Legendary .

Played the game as a founder from the get-go and the highest i got to was lvl 58 or 57, i just could not stand the strong grind, the spots to grind at were always full and now they will be introducing AFK-Lvl up, oh yes afk, you pick up some sort of scroll and have your character beat a scarecrow for some hours gaining xp, this game if nothing has really a ton of afk features, awesome if it was possible to connect it to your mobile and direct your character into doing things afk.

The BDO game in itself is amazing, i have never had the chance to see such a beautiful game, the sunsets the underwater diving when the sun shines through the surface, quite fabulous, yet it felt devoid, the desert was just that, one annoying segment of nothing but sand, some mobs popped here and there but there was nothing else out there except the two dungeons which were not instanced and lvl 60+ only, the ocean was added then, big boats and the like, i built mine and then i made several others chopping wood manually for days out in, in the end, i sailed around in the ocean, the sea mobs were cool, nicely made and somewhat of a challenge to take down, dynamic as well with lightning storms, tornados, ghost ships stopping you and boarding your ship.

I saw my self at the end of the day chopping wood next to the bank, melting minerals trying to make silver to get enchantment stones in order to try for that final enchantment of +20 while listening to Elvis Presley – Viva Las Vegas, after a few months i just had to jump out of it, from all those stay online for 5 hours to get free stuff promotions in the game, they sucker you in with all those promotions and items, lots of free loot boxes in this game just like a slot machine to keep you hooked.

Putting aside some of the things i saw for what it is, the game is quite fleshed out but i admit it never felt done, i always saw a lot of potential and ideas that could be utilized for the game, but nothing of sorts ever appeared, to put it in a metaphor, a beautiful Oasis in the middle of the desert, once you have taken a turn around it and stepped outside, there will only be sand of potential that awaits that is never being used.

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Nick // Genghis

I wish that lvl 50+ didn’t just feel like they said during game development, “Let’s just make all AI enemies tank n spank encounters with a special skill every once in awhile, and have the ‘difficulty’ based on clear speed with HP sponges.” I was one of those AFK fishing bots in between couple day breaks getting from 52-57, but the grind in this is not only unreal, it’s mindnumbingly simple and boring. I need mental stimulation I can’t just smack stuff in the same fashion in the same circle for hours. Same reason I never did THAT long of expeditions in Elite: Dangerous. Needed variety and I feel like games a lot of times are missing the mark in that department *cough looking at you Destiny 2 ahem*

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Tobasco da Gama

See, I wasn’t worried about the game’s longevity in the west before, but leaning that hard on hyperbole makes me nervous.

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Arktouros

Well when you consider things from their perspective they have no reason to think otherwise. They’ve released the game now in a multitude of regions all with pretty good success. They also are posed to release a new mobile client version of the game as well soon. They’ve also stated they’re developing other titles as well. So from their perspective they got no reason to think the game won’t be around after 20 years especially when it’s already been 3-4 since KR launch.

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Jack Pipsam

So they reckon this game will be around when i’m 52? Well, now that’s ambition, put aside the fact computing might not even be what it is now then or the internet will change so much (or even superseded entirely). When my dad was my age in the 70s CB radio was bees-knees, no form of home video/recording and colour TV in Australia was still a novelty. 30 years later in 2005 and the world was a remarkably different place than 1975, put aside the fall of the USSR and the Berlin Wall (something my parents swore wouldn’t happen in their lifetimes period). But home computing in general as well as the internet, ten years later smartphones are everywhere when before they were not and they have a son who wears a pony shirt and isn’t beaten to a pulp on public transport, society itself changed too a lot.

What’s all this rambling leading too? Nothing really I’ve been up all night and I went on a total tangent and you can disregard everything I just wrote as not being related to this article, well aside from who knows what gaming/internet/computing is like in 30 years… oh and Korea in general. People thought the Berlin Wall would never come down.

But hey Meridian 59 is still around and that’s as old as me, so I could be talking total and utter cynical rubbish. Good luck to BDO, may it outlive me! Chances are it’ll last another 30 years while I won’t lol.

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Jeremy Barnes

They need to fix the engine. It’s terrible. I want to play it, but the engine gets me everytime.

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John Kiser

In what way? Be more specific?

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IronSalamander8 .

Considering how grindy this game was. It’ll take that long just to get to level cap. Looks amazing for sure and the character creator is excellent but when I feel like I’m already on a treadmill pre level 10 the game has problems.

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Arktouros

You get level 6 from the 5 minute tutorial and should be 11-13 before you even hit the first 15-20 minutes of the game.

What game did you even play?

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IronSalamander8 .

I played this near launch thanks to a friend giving me a trial code from them preordering it. I played a Valkyrie through the first area, fought some giant thing on a shoreline and not much further than that. I can’t recall the exact level I was but it was out of the tutorial, I was on the 2nd or 3rd city/settlement but not very high level (maybe it was 13 or so but was pre-20 for sure). It was a very unexciting experience to put it mildly.

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Arktouros

So 21 months ago.

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Colin Goodwin

The game is 100% grind so that you can grind more somewhere else, that never changes. It’s the same rat race to get silver to get geared to pvp so that you can gain territory to get more silver to get more gear so you can get more silver faster. It’s a circle jerk of gambling and absolutely no meaningful evolution in gameplay.
And I stg if someone goes “but lifeskills” I’ll slap a bitch because like 80% of that is AFK activities and the other 20% is handled by your workers
AFK horse training,
AFK fisihing,
AFK processing,
Semi-AFK Trading,
People stay because of the graphics and the combat and to some degree FOMO because of all the events and log in incentives they throw around to keep people playing.

BDO is a FANTASTIC combat platform. (not including the insane imbalance in classes when it comes to PVP)
It falls short nearly everywhere else.

Played in both NA and KR since their respective betas.
I still occasionally log in to play with the new things they add if they interest me, but I’ve mostly moved on from BDO being anything but a time waster when I’ve feeling burned out on my main MMO.

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John Kiser

While there may be a lot of AFK stuff the systems are still developed a bit “better” than many current mmorpgs so take it for what it is worth really. You don’t NEED to do the afk activities for lifeskills unless you absolutely want to….

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Arktouros

Not everyone plays BDO to simply gear up their gear and go PvP or go grind. While I certainly have the gear to do all these activities I long passed the need to continue to gear up to find new places to grind as I’m pretty much softcapped for any of the places in the game except maybe Gyfin.

All of that was obtained through, you guessed it, lifeskills and not grinding. I actually didn’t have a single character higher than 59 until about 4 weeks ago when I finally decided to grind out 60. While processing did make up a healthy chunk of my profits while AFK there were plenty of activities that required me to play from active trading from Magoria, to gathering materials to be used in cooking/alchemy/processing, and even a bit of hunting.

I enjoy BDO because it’s something to grow and manage. I’m not going to hit full PEN over night or have full skill points for Rabams/JIN skills. Those are all things I’m going to have to build up over time and I can choose the ways I do that. My Musa is going to end up hitting 60 from lifeskills at this point rather than grinding. I’m not obsessed with the combat side of things but I do enjoy it when I partake in that part of the game. However if the only thing BDO had going for it was combat I probably would have quit it a long time ago.

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John Kiser

I always find the “grind” discussion funny because quite literally every MMORPG is a grind of some sorts. You either get into the gear treadmill grind, leveling grind, enchanting grind, raiding grind etc. It is all a grind.

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IronSalamander8 .

While true most don’t feel grindy till you get to much higher level. Early on the new systems, world lore, races, nations, etc. make the grind less obvious or even nonexistent to the player’s perception. This thing felt like a grind almost immediately. Not even EQ felt this grindy although in that game I skipped some of the lengthier quests like the shawl quest just to avoid the worst treadmills in that one.

Dailies in WoW were terrible but those were at level cap and I’ve never been a real fan of that game in the first place.

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Arktouros

A lot of BDO’s lore is there but it’s something you have to find and explore. It’d behind things like Amity conversation games for knowledge and through various quests and seeking out knowledge in game. Think of it more like Dark Souls or Bloodborne where the Lore is there, and you occasionally hear references to it, but unless you really look into it and dedicate yourself into understanding it then it’s going to come off very disjointed and mishmash. I understand that’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but that’s how it is.

As for the grind, again, not going to pretend there’s no grind in BDO because there certainly is (and honestly is in every game) but it’s incredibly eye-brow-raising skepticism when you’re talking about a huge grind in the first 25 minutes of the game worth of content especially when that viewpoint is irrelevant to today’s BDO.

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Arktouros

Dude I went from BDO to ESO for a while and I calculated I had something like a 1.3% chance to get the right piece of armor with the right traits on it to drop off a boss and I’m like, “Fuck I’d rather go for PEN than these odds.”

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John Kiser

I mean to be fair they adjusted a lot of drop rates (i have a ridiculous amount of shit now..) and you could always go on the marketplace and buy stuff too…. My overall point to what I stated was more along the lines of all MMORPGs have their grinds of sorts, some people just always seem content with one kind of grind, but not another.

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Colin Goodwin

I mean, as long as they keep drip feeding content as slowly as they do for the west….maybe 30 years isn’t all that improbable, hell we might see the Haso kingdom before the servers shut down for good if this keeps up.
ha

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Armsbend

Will South Korea be there for another 20-30 years though?

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Alex Willis

OVER 9000 YEARS

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McGuffn

Yeah, but it is going to go into a death spiral in 2022 which makes the remaining 25 years kind of sad.

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Dug From The Earth

Considering their 3d rendering engine is already out of date, how do they expect to go even 10 years, let alone 30. How about they update it first, or remove the intentional LoD limitations of the engine so that people with beefy computers dont have to deal with disgusting grass/rocks/shadow/object pop-in like this:

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John Kiser

I had pop in when I was using a standard hard drive an SSD made it less noticeable and a higher vram video card made it even less noticeable. It is still there, but it happens so fast anymore… I mean I get where you are coming from, but at the same time realize that this is a game without loading screens, instanced off zones, or anything else of the sort you tend to see in quite a few mmorpgs now.

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Arktouros

They probably expect the fact that they’ve done amazingly well on many platforms such as remaining in the top sold Steam games since launching in Steam that most people can look past a minor issue like this and enjoy the other 99% of the game rather than get tripped up on something that has no impact on game play.

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Dug From The Earth

visuals have no impact on gameplay? In an rpg game, thats got a virtual world you basically are trying to “live” and immerse yourself in? Lol… ok

Rather than me write a wall of text, that might not even get read, Jim Sterling did a great video detailing how visuals in games ARE part of gameplay.

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Arktouros

Small graphical glitches that have no impact on your game play in BDO. That is correct. Frankly speaking I’ve never been immersed in any MMO I’ve ever played. It’s not how or why I play the genre. They’re terrible stories with generally terrible game play. There’s a reason why the RPG was dropped from MMO games.

I find you posting Jim Sterling’s video on “Just Cosmetic” when that video basically guts your entire argument of why you justify Path of Exile absurdly amusing. I’ll be sure to bring it up anytime you and I talk about the game in the future.

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Dug From The Earth

See, thats where you are still wrong.

Those glitches (small or large, its subjective), DO affect MY gameplay. They make it impossibly difficult to immerse myself, to move my character through the world, to want to interact with things in game, and most importantly, to even play the game.

To me, that all revolves around gameplay aspects. No, its not “run, jump, shoot” gameplay, but its still gameplay none the less.

Its not saying much when an “almost F2P” game does well on steam. At any given month, the game is on sale for 5 bucks. No sub fee, basically makes it easy to produce “Look how many people bought our game” numbers. Doesnt mean those people are still playing 12 months from then, or even 3 months from then.

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Arktouros

However that’s a very specific problem for you. You’re trying to pass your problems with your over sensitivity to a non game play impacting issue and claim it ruins the game. It doesn’t. It ruins it for you, but that’s your own issue due to your over sensitivity.

Personally I’ve become accustomed to graphical engines using these kinds of rendering/culling/pop in techniques to handle graphics for a long time now. For example here’s a video of Rift using a similar method to handle lots of players back from 2011. Most games that use a modern graphics engine have some version of this as a trade off for their higher graphic fidelity.

However in some games, as seen above, rather than do this with the environment (which really doesn’t matter) they do it with the players which has disastrous affects like we saw in GW2 with portals where there were so many players taking portals they wouldn’t render for the enemy.

Most steam games fall out of the top sold games after a few months of their release without some sort of mega hit like PUBG. The fact it’s still in there actually says quite a bit 5 dollars or no.

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Dug From The Earth

Um, this is a forums where people can post their OPINIONS, so of COURSE its a problem specific to ME. Im sure there are others out there who might feel the same, but im not speaking on their behalf.

Just as its a specific problem for me, its also NOT a specific problem for you. Pointing either of those 2 things out is completely pointless.

Im quite aware that many other gamers are not bothered by visual short comings of games. Many simply ignore it, many simply dont care. In a thread where I state what _I_ dont like, however, none of that matters.

The reason I have issue with it isnt just because of the visually disturbing aspect it causes for me, but the fact that I know that it can be done better. LoD isnt a method that is needed nearly as much these days with the power of most GPUs, and when it IS needed, how its done is an important factor. The devs have also openly admitted that its a limitation of the engine they are using, because despite how beautiful still shots look, the engine is from 4+ years ago and was designed around the concept that the current hardware couldnt handle it without dynamically adjusting the LoD on the fly to take the workload off it. (and 4+ years ago, hardware couldnt… as demonstrated by the Rift video)

What do I mean by how it handles it? Simple. Take GW2. GW2 has LoD pop-in.. (older engine too), but it handles it much more gracefully by making the objects fade into view, rather than instantly pop-in. While to someone else, it might not be any different visually, but to me, it makes a world of difference.

My comment was simply pairing the already limited engine, to the statement the game devs made about wanting the game to still be alive and kicking 30 years from now. The engine is already dated, so for ME specifically, the game is already almost obsolete.

Understanding graphical engine improvements (and hardware advances) can be the difference between bliss and unhappiness (such as my case). Im quite aware that games released in the last 2 years should have better and less LoD than games released in 2011. So when they dont, its an automatic check mark against the game.

That alone isnt enough to keep me from playing most games however. In BDO’s case though, the pop-in is so extreme, that it pushed me over my tolerance limit for the game.

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Arktouros

This was your statement:

Considering their 3d rendering engine is already out of date, how do they expect to go even 10 years, let alone 30.

To which, as we’ve uncovered, this is very much a you problem than an actual game problem. They can expect to go 10 or 20 or 30 years because the thousands of other people who play the game don’t have your specific issue.

In fact one could question the point you’re trying to make. If you don’t play the game because of your issues then why would your issues with the game be part of their 10, 20 or 30 year plan? More importantly since the game does offend your preferences for your immersion what does their 10, 20 or 30 year plan have to do with you? It’s baffling to say the least.

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Dug From The Earth

because the thousands of other people who play the game don’t have your specific issue.

Ive made the effort to only speak for myself here… you should probably do the same. YOU dont have this specific issue. While im sure others also dont have the issue, its a bad habit to try to be the one to speak out for those other people. Just like im sure there are others who feel how I do, but im not speaking for them.

If you don’t play the game because of your issues then why would your issues with the game be part of their 10, 20 or 30 year plan?

And this is the big part you seemed to have missed while you hound my opinion… But to answer the question… if they bothered to improve or fix the pop-in, I would play. ANY game company wanting a game to last long, needs players. Removing/improving 1 aspect that might keep players away, such as myself, is a good way to keep those players.

Thats just basic business logic.

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Richard de Leon III

Too pvp focused for my tastes, but good luck to em. EQ1 still hasnt hit 30 years, I doubt BDO can do it.

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Castagere Shaikura

Yeah if it wasn’t so pvp focused i might have tried it.

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John Kiser

It is, but a lot of people moved off to the pvp server they made which has helped dramatically. I haven’t been killed at all and while I’ve been attacked I’ve also been left alone and not killed so..

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Arktouros

EQ is coming up on 20 in a year or two. UO already hit it. If the MMO industry continues the way it is with no real new games coming out I don’t see why BDO won’t just keep trucking along.

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Mark

At first I thought they must be kidding. Then I read and saw they were not.

Suffice it to say, I don’t think it will happen. Not in the West. Perhaps in the East, like Lineage 1’s shambling, animated corpse.

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Arktouros

What impressed me about this game initially is the same thing that impresses me today and that’s it’s amazing and unprecedented update schedule for this game. Back to back multiple expansions and new classes. In 2017 alone we saw Magoria, Kamasylvia, the Dark Knight, the Striker and the Mystic all come to the game to the NA/EU version. They’re constantly giving people new ways to progress their characters not only on a combat level but continue to support crafting and life skill systems like the new Hunting boss system added in KR today. These guys don’t ever stop or slow down the updates for their game and I can see them easily going a long time like this. They’re even committed to improving the graphics of what is already visually a very impressive game which is just awesome.

Easily the best MMO I’ve played in the last 20 years.

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Alex Hyer

Translation: “We want you to pay us $30+ for an armor set and another $30 for underpants for the next 30 years”

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Arktouros

Good Lord who pays actual money for costumes?

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Richard de Leon III

Most US players would pay for appearance items. Its the pay to win crap that irks em more. But like Alex says, they purposefully coerce you to buy the costumes by making regular drops nonexistent.

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Arktouros

The last 16 costumes I bought I didn’t spend a real dollar on any of them. But, ya know, pay2win 10% more combat XP amirite!?! I mean ignore the 200% XP daily grinding hour or the 100% XP weekends that 10% is just offensive as all get out.

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Alex Hyer

Well they purposefully put basically no lootable armor in the game, so they’re hoping… you will.

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John Kiser

Uhhhh there is plenty of “lootable armor” in the game. Just because there isn’t dropped costumes doesn’t mean there isn’t dropped armor…. There is a difference between costumes and armor. We can also bring up this entire situation here. http://violetastray.com/bdo-craftable-costume-clothing/

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Arktouros

The Costume Mill in game would like to have a talk with you.

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5seconds2urheart

Pretty cool they have that level of passion and confidence in their game. Only $10 on Steam, I may give it a try.

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Denice J. Cook

Awesome! Even if it doesn’t quite turn out to be completely true, it’s nice that they’re committed to the effort. ;) NCSoft could learn a thing or three from this company.

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Danny Smith

When you have far too much confidence on your character creator.

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rafael12104

Well, I hope they make it.

And from my wheelchair, I’ll argue with my grandchildren proclaiming that BDO is not outdated graphically.

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Melissa McDonald

Game of the Year 2017… hands-down.

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Dug From The Earth

This is a vote where we raise our hands to vote for it, right?
/hands-down

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Melissa McDonald

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