Bless Online Steam reviews climb to ‘mixed’, Neowiz addresses duping bug but doesn’t ban anyone

It doesn’t appear that the second wave of Bless Online sales that began yesterday for the game’s early access launch will top the peak of the early access headstart. Steam Charts is showing yesterday’s peak falling just shy of the weekend’s 34K zenith, with over 20K players in there right now.

What will make Neowiz happy, though, is that Steam reviews have recovered somewhat; while yesterday the game had sunk into the “mostly negative” zone, this morning it was merely “mixed.” (Steam reviews have been buggy this morning and on some games are showing at zero, but we expect that fixed at some point.)

Since Neowiz’s apology yesterday – itself a response to complaints over the game’s lack of endgame content, fleshed-out PvP, and dupe-protection – it’s suffered another round of “urgent maintenance” downtime, closed a server, added a new server, and dropped character creation restrictions on multiple NA and EU servers. It’s also kicked off a new experience and crafting buff event.

Meanwhile, over on Reddit, the backlash to the backlash has arrived as refunders have left and the remaining players bash them and defend the game, referring to the spate of quitters as “trimming the fat” and “****ing savages.” “Just know, most of us are in game, enjoying the game, while you people waste time hating on the game,” reads one flamebait thread.

Incidentally, MOP’s Eliot just referred to my investigation of the Bless subreddit’s total meltdown as the curiosity of a “deranged cultural anthropologist,” which is basically true and I will own it. Ah, MMOs.

Get down and dirty with the Bless mess:

Source: Twitter, Reddit
Update: Neowiz now says it’s addressed the duping bug too and will be actioning the accounts of those who exploited it, though apparently no one will be banned.

“We were able to identify the cause of the duplication bug while investigating it as our highest priority, and are taking action to resolve the issues caused. Action details: We will collect all the items/gold earned from this duplication bug. If the duplication bug was used less than 10 times, we will issue a ‘Warning’. If the duplication bug was used more than 10 times, we will block their accounts for three days. If the duplication bug was used more than 10 times and considered to be deliberate, we will block their accounts for 15 days. Action will take place on May 31st and the characters may be temporarily restricted during the item/gold collect process.”

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Necromonger

Its ok keep duping no bans given.
Devs allready got dem moneyz worth from those who keep supporting these kind of turds.

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Schlag Sweetleaf

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Cosmic Cleric

This picture is truly worth 1k words! Closer looks may show not what you want to see. Ignorance is Bless, er, bliss.

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Schlag Sweetleaf

“Ignorance is Bless”; That gave me a good laugh;)

/cheers CC

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ihatevnecks

More than anything, I want this whole fiasco to impact how Steam handles Early Access (I know, it won’t).

If someone wants to launch as EA, they shouldn’t be allowed to run an in-game store. They shouldn’t be allowed to charge a subscription fee, even optional. I don’t think they should even be allowed to charge more than maybe $40 for the game during the EA period.

If you’re peddling “deluxe” or “collector” editions of the game, plus the other things mentioned, you shouldn’t get to call yourself Early Access.

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Brown Jenkin

Wholeheartedly agreed, but yeah I don’t expect that to change either. If a game is in “early access” at bare minimum the cash shop and subscriptions should be closed. I don’t have a huge problem with those varied editions being for sale but releasing sloppy/”unfinished” (Is an MMO ever “finished”) content under the excuses of early access seems low.

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Xijit

Do refunds effect reviews? Like does steam drop your review on the game if you get a refund?

… That would be one explanation as to why the game’s rating popped up overnight.

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Suikoden

In regards to the reviews, I think all the haters reviewed it very quickly, and the people that liked it didn’t. Once they saw how many negative reviews there were, they were encouraged to write a positive review if they liked the game.

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Xijit

I was hyped up for it till they locked out player to player trading & that is one of my hard line issues as I am primarily a crafter / merchant (and direct trades are key to passing materials back and fourth with guild members / crafting partners) … The game -looks- amazing and I really wanted to enjoy it, but the actual management (which is not the same as the developers) is total shit.

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Suikoden

Yeah, that is something my guild and I are dealing with, but they said there will be guild housing, and we’re hoping for a guild bank that will let us pool our resources a little easier.

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Leiloni

From what I heard two things happened. Steam themselves removed I heard 800 reviews that were apparently troll reviews of some sort. But on the flipside I also heard that people were encouraging their guilds to review the game if they liked it.

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Mr.McSleaz

No, I gave a bad review to a game AFTER I got my refund, lol.

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Cosmic Cleric

I’ve been wondering why the Steam review status changed so fast, seemed suspicious. That could be it.

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My first reaction was “did they buy a bunch of reviews?”

(Which isn’t an impossibly)

But “refund = no review” seems a bit more plausible.

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rafael12104

Heh. The Yin and Yang of MMO players and forums.

Whatever. BUT it matters to Neowiz. It sure as hell does. Especially right now. They want the fat savages back, I assure you.

And, I’m sorry but I have to ask. Aside from the usual launch issues, how in the world could they drop the game in its current state into headstart? Because that is what it is, a headstart.

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Joshua Dickerson

While I don’t and probably won’t play Bless, those people who dumped on the game were the same types of people that have been plaguing the BDO forums for months now.

BDO has its issues as well, but they were highly exaggerated by this same type of mob mentality. Its a constant battle now days in MMOs to sift through the group complaining and bashing mentality and find balanced players who discuss their likes and dislikes with actual discussions and not just flames and threats.

I am also pointing this at some “notable” streamers who unfortunately use their influence to encourage people to charge back their game purchases etc.

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Cosmic Cleric

I am also pointing this at some “notable” streamers who unfortunately use their influence to encourage people to charge back their game purchases etc.

From what I could see, the “notable” streamers were showing bad bugs/performance/translations, as proof, for legit reasons to ask for a refund.

What’s wrong with stating a game is bad, HERE’S WHY ITS BAD, get a refund while you can?

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Joshua Dickerson

Because in my opinion, if you are a reviewer you state what the issues are with the game and if it has worth to be played or not to be played.

Going the extra step to tell people to get a refund………that in my opinion is a bit of a step in the wrong direction. Personal responsibility should also come into play when gamers purchase a game.

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Cosmic Cleric

Because in my opinion, if you are a reviewer you state what the issues are with the game and if it has worth to be played or not to be played.

Totally agree with this.

Going the extra step to tell people to get a refund………that in my opinion is a bit of a step in the wrong direction. Personal responsibility should also come into play when gamers purchase a game.

If he’s a reviewer only, I agree. However, if he’s a person who wishes to express his opinions on gaming, and which ones to buy and not, that is outside of the review process, then that’s ok too for him to do.

You see him as a reviewer only. I see him as a gamer, reviewing games, and talking about the industry and the products it makes, and looking out for other games. To be honest, most YouTubers are like that, players of the games they talk about in their videos.

I will throw you a bone about this though, as I am not 100% completely comfortable with what he did too (though glad that he did, from a consumer/community warning angle). Just before his negative Bless Online video, I watched a video from him talking about Guild Wars 2 (believe it was posted the same day, or evening before), about how great Guild Wars 2 is, and that he’s playing it as his MMO of choice. But my discomfort was only from a ‘tinfoil hat’ perspective, of me wondering if NCSoft had paid him or not to do a positive Guild Wars 2 video on the same day that he does a negative Bless Online video (I have no idea, either way). Its too bad there isn’t legislation that makes it that anyone who posts online must specify that they were paid for expressing their opinions, when they are.

There are plenty of other YouTube reviewers who are saying the same thing about the game. The fact that Value is allowing refunds after their normal deadline, does truly say something as well, either in fact, or in just political terms.

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kgptzac

I’m curious tho. Do people complain about the game actually affect your gameplay? Unless they are doing it in game, which can happen but would be very odd if happens too often; or they do it on the forums but that won’t impact your gameplay.

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Joshua Dickerson

With BDO it does in fact creep into the game.

Server chat is quieter now due to Bless and combat changes to BDO having people taking a break from the game until the revamps are done.

But yes we would see the same arguments in Server chat, referencing “its all over the forums, just go look”. Often they were referring to theory crafting threads or threads with high post count, which were mostly people arguing back and forth.

The vocal negativity on the forums and in-game, and the in-game arguments saying ‘go look at xyz streamer” does tend to warp how otherwise un-affected gamer’s would view the game.

It also effects new players introduction to the game if they go to the forum and see it spammed with negativity.

Valid complaints? I’m all for it, get the issues out there.
Campaigning other players to protest and chargeback? That imho is taking it a bit too far.

BDO also had its moment with people trying to tell others to chargeback not only on the forums but also in-game just to “protest”. Gamer’s also need to be responsible for the purchases they make.

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Cosmic Cleric

BDO also had its moment with people trying to tell others to chargeback not only on the forums but also in-game just to “protest”. Gamer’s also need to be responsible for the purchases they make.

Nothing wrong with the customers reminding the companies that they should be treated well, if they want their money. Boycotting is preferable, but if you purchased something bad, you should be able to return it, without feeling guilt from others for doing so.

Its kind of funny now, but in earlier days, it was expected to be able to return a product if it did not live up to its name, and how it was sold (does it do what it was advertised to do). Weird how that is under attack this generation.

Probably why I love Costco so much, I am able to return a one and a half year old TV because of a stuck pixel. I didn’t have to ‘take responsibility for the purchase’ and suffer with a product that didn’t work the way I purchased it as, I got a full refund. I’m definitely going to buy my next TV from them as well, as customer loyalty (that company treated me well, with respect) should always be rewarded.

Don’t be in such a hurry to put up with crap that others are shoveling out. Its ok to demand something works the way its said it will work, when you pay for it, and its also ok to get your money back, when it doesn’t.

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kgptzac

I think the issue is more about you are displeased to see others who voice their displeasure on the game. Sometimes, and I argue most of the times, not opening your wallet to a game should be an effective way of protesting. We try to live in a free society where people possess free will, and as a consequence, nobody deserves neither positivity or negativity. You just need to be the force of “good” for whatever you consider it to be the “good”.

tl;dr: you just have to toughen up and people will complain, and sometimes about things you hold dear. It’s still a better alternative than what you seem to be proposing, where people be silent sheeps who never complain about mistreatment (mobile games), or even worse, dev ass kissers (god I hate to even think about an example… maybe a certain FF14 community back in the days).

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Joshua Dickerson

See and this is the issue I have. People want to protest and get others to jump in. If we dont, we are viewed as “dev ass kissers” or “white knights” or “silent sheeps”.

This kind of mentality does not help the community it actually drives wedges in it. I am very active on the BDO forums. I do in fact like the game and support it, but I also post that I am not 100% behind all of their decisions.

But because I have an issue with people trying to gain support from other gamers about negatively impacting the game in order to change a games direction all of a sudden the insults are lumped in and communication breaks down because now the discussion moves into a total new direction.

This is how the BDO forums progress. Topic of discussion -> disagreements -> insults -> retaliation -> flame war.

With a gaming forum filled with this in the General Forums, how do you think this influences new players?

Discuss grievances? Sure I never am against that
Trying to garner support to damage a game or company? I don’t support that. Because to me, its one set of the community willing to hurt the overall life of the game because of their dissatisfaction.

Personally I do find that the wrong way to try to get your point across.

But as I pointed out in the beginning of this post, see how quickly the insults were injected and there is a wedge placed because someone doesn’t agree with you?

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Cosmic Cleric

This is how the BDO forums progress. Topic of discussion -> disagreements -> insults -> retaliation -> flame war.

With a gaming forum filled with this in the General Forums, how do you think this influences new players?

If they’re not new to MMOs (or gaming in general), they’ll expect that.

Personally I do find that the wrong way to try to get your point across.

But as I pointed out in the beginning of this post, see how quickly the insults were injected and there is a wedge placed because someone doesn’t agree with you?

The problem is that as of right now, devs (and their managers) have ‘tuned out’ listening to the opinions of their customers as just fermentors of anarchy, or nerds, not to be REALLY listened to, only pretend listened to.

So, at some point, when you are not heard via the more normal civil channels, you move on to Plan B, discourse. Boycotting, refunding, bad word-of-mouth, etc., etc.

Is is good/right, no. Is it bad, no. Its, human.

I will agree with you though, that things should not be taken personally, when discussing disagreements. But the falsehood of “talk nice and the companies will listen” doesn’t really pan out, as history has shown us (especially MMOers), again, and again, and again.

Anyway, appreciate you trying to keep discourse at a productive level. :)

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kgptzac

… I think you have a misconception of what is meant to be terms of disagreement, and terms of insult. You might want to check on that first.

Next, as I said I believe in free will, and new players are not mindless drones whom are subject either yours, or your “opponents'” influence. They are free to make up their own mind about the game from information as long as such information is not misinformation.

Let me repeat, you don’t “own” the opinion of new players. Nobody does.

Now, what in your book constitute “damage the game or the company”? Demanding a refund because of a unsatisfactory purchase has long been the norm of modern economy, and it is even more apparent from this Neowiz’s director, who even explicitly said they will honor refunds for this reason.

It’s also called “voting with your wallet”. It tend to be a lot more influential tool players can exercise on game developers over the long term.

Though, do be mindful that others requesting refund has virtually no impact on your own gameplay. That $60~100 loss of revenue has virtually no impact of the next dungeon devs probably already are testing before releasing, and if you think about it, you probably would like one less unhappy player in your game, potentially complaining about it and get on your nerve.

Next scenario: What if there’s an exploit that a small group has been abusing for a long time and never got fixed, and a “whistleblower” made the exploit method known to everyone, and sure, you can say that you’ve been personally and negatively affected by that person.

Yet such action can still be justified. You’ve already gotten a small group of people gaining advantages from abusing the game, and if the person comes to conclusion that the only way for the exploit to be fixed is to blow it up, then I place my fault squarely on the developers for allowing such exploits to live long enough to cause the discontent comes to fermentation.

Outside of these two scenarios, can you list some genuine acts of players can damage a game or the company behind the game? Maybe make personal death threats against their employees… but this doesn’t happen often, thankfully.

To wrap it up… If people don’t like about the game, complaining is only natural, and is proven to have worked before. I’d like to do it constructively, and it seems you would do it constructively as well. What is inconceivable to me, however, is for someone who seriously complain about the complainers, and thinking something good will come out of from doing so. That I just cannot understand. My suggestion is to probably write a bit more constructive criticism that would be useful to the developers, than to further bemoan the state of player consensus of a game is in a bad place.

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The game is trash and looks like something from 2008. They are still duping items with nothing being done to the cheaters. The game runs like a homemade flip book and dc’s every 30 min. They cut out half the quests and people are getting stuck because they were not replaced. There is nothing to do at 45 but a daily 5 man dungeon. They are charging rl money to fast travel.

I’m sure those reviews are real from those new no post history accounts. Just to top it off 50% of the forums have been deleted for calling out this disgusting ripoff of a game.

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Bryan Turner

The game can’t be that good, according to Lazy Peon’s video Steam is giving people refunds no questions asked regardless of time played.

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Bryan Turner

WoW 50 responses to a comment of mine, what’s the world coming to!

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Leiloni

They weren’t refunding for no questions asked. Steam was just following it’s own pre-purchase policy. https://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/

Refunds on Pre-Purchased Titles
When you pre-purchase a title on Steam (and have paid for the title in advance), you can request a refund at any time prior to release of that title. The standard 14-day/two-hour refund period also applies, starting on the game’s release date.

The 28th-30th was the Pre-purchase period, so most requests within that window were refunded because they followed Steam’s own policy and thus Steam had no reason not to. The only people who couldn’t get refunds within that window were $150 purchasers who already gave away their extra copy to a friend, and that’s obviously because Steam would have to take away that free copy from the friend which they obviously can’t do in that situation.

Once the game released officially at 1 pm EST on the 30th, they stopped giving refunds to anyone who played over 2 hours, as per Steam’s policy for released games.

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Can we all agree that the game is shit AND so is LazyPeon?

The two do not have to be mutually exclusive; it would not be a logical fallacy, for a shitty person, to call a shitty game, shitty.

(Ahhhh … It if feels so go to turn the english language into a convoluted mess, include “shit” 4 times, & have it still turn out grammatically correct statement)

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Dug From The Earth

My issue with that is this

There are indisputable facts that lead to Blessing being shit. (performance, missing promised game elements, dupe exploit, etc)

The indisputable fact about LazyPeon, is that his opinion could be VASTLY different from yours. I find it hard to say someone is shit for having an opinion I disagree with.

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I don’t think he is a piece of shit for having a diffrent opinion: I think he is a piece of shit for having opinions that are based entirely around page hits / views & will say anything to get them.

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Dug From The Earth

Except that whole concept is subjective, and cant be proven (Short of him admitting it).

But conspiracy theorists will conspire…. Just wish they did so without also being so judgmental.

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Just because a game does something that No Man Sky does, and just because No Man Sky was trash, does not logically imply that the said game is as shit as how No Man Sky was incepted.

Logic please.

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finyar

LazyPeon? The one who bashed BDO multiple times and then played it for over a year despite its many flaws? He is just jumping on the hate train. He even made a second video to discredit and damage the developers. He needs to grow up, because this behavior is just disgusting.

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Cosmic Cleric

LazyPeon? The one who bashed BDO multiple times and then played it for over a year despite its many flaws? He is just jumping on the hate train. He even made a second video to discredit and damage the developers. He needs to grow up, because this behavior is just disgusting.

He (and others) showed in his videos bad bugs/performance/translations, as proof, for legit reasons to ask for a refund.

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Lethality

And then he made a SECOND video explicitly ordering players to refund. It was a dick move, and I lost all respect for him.

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Cosmic Cleric

And then he made a SECOND video explicitly ordering players to refund. It was a dick move, and I lost all respect for him.

Warning others is not a dick move, its helping out (even if you get a personal benefit from doing so).

Or are you arguing for us to live in a world of ignorance, where we waste our money on products that do not perform as advertised?

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Dug From The Earth

He is one reviewer who actually puts a LOT of time into games he reviews, unlike those that play 2 hours and then have an ultimatum on the game.

Id trust someones review who played 50 hours over someone who only played 2.

You can typically find SOME amount of fun in any game, no matter how bad. Despite the bits of fun that may exist, the bad will eventually become more than you want to put up with. Tolerance levels. Its different for each person. Just because you can tolerate a games bad points doesnt mean that playing it somehow means the game is good.

Mmorpg gamers are just desperate right now. There are slim pickings for games in the genre to play that arent old/tired/burnt out games.

Eat the same crap for years on end, someone comes along with cold, stale food that is different, and there is a good chance you are going to scarf it down like its a gourmet meal. Why? Not because its amazing food… you will eat it because its not what you have been shoving down your throat for so long.

And guess what… its OK to not think its not great. You dont have to convince yourself that its amazing.

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“He is one reviewer who actually puts a LOT of time into games he reviews, unlike those that play 2 hours and then have an ultimatum on the game.”

Uhm, he literally made the Bless video after only one or two hours of game time, so your whole point is invalid. If he would have waited at least a few days for his first judgement, but this is nothing more than hate for the maximum amount of clicks and view.

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Cosmic Cleric

Uhm, he literally made the Bless video after only one or two hours of game time

I watched those videos, as well as from others, and the relevant issues/problems showed themselves after that short period of time.

Or are you saying that you have to hit your hand with a hammer a hundred times, vs. once/twice, before you can tell someone it hurts to hit your hand with a hammer?

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Dug From The Earth

Because me stating he does that means its 100% of the time, right?

More to the point, the fact that he normally is willing to endure the drudgery of a bad game up through end game to give us a review, but with Bless, he just couldnt bare to play it longer… says a LOT about the game.

All the people who assume there must be some secret agenda to people who have a different opinion than them are just on the opposite side of the extreme that they claim the person is they are criticizing.

Bless IS a bad game. Maybe it could be a good game with enough work, but that work SHOULD have been completed years ago, when the game was release 3 other times.

Criticizing the people calling it bad at this point, just makes someone come across as an extremist fanboi. Sure, there were LOTS of people who were hyping this game before release, who wanted desperately for it to be good. Lots of mmorpg gamers are in a very desperate state right now, yearning for a good, solid game to “Call home”.

This game ended up being a huge let down for tons of people who really wanted it to be an amazing game. There is no “Bandwagon”. People are just disappointed that the game they hoped would be good, ended up so poorly.

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The thing is, he made a second video where he calls for players to refund their game. That has nothing to do with criticism, that is a hate campaign. And no, I don’t think that Bless is that bad of a game. He even praised it in some earlier video just two or three weeks ago where he played it on the japanese servers with exactly the same “problems” (graphics, performance) minus the new combat system.

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The thing is, he made a second video where he calls for players to refund their game. That has nothing to do with criticism, that is a hate campaign.

OR, it’s a send a boycott signal to MMO game companies, that we are tired of them peeing on our backs, and calling it rain.

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It couldnt possibly be that he simply doesnt want people to make a regrettable mistake with their money. It couldnt be that he was relieved that he was able to get his money back, and thought “Im sure there are others who might also want their money back”

Its definitely a hate campaign on his part.

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finyar

“It couldnt possibly be that he simply doesnt want people to make a regrettable mistake with their money. ”

He already did that with the first video, it even had little “Buyers beware” signs on its tumbnail.

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Dug From The Earth

His first video was aimed at the “Dont buy” group… his second video was aimed at the “So you bought it, and regret it…” group

Most people know steam is pretty strict with their 2 hours played rule for refunds, and most people who bought bless, hit that 2 hour mark just trying to log into the game. At which point many were probably upset that it wasnt something they could refund.

A buddy of mine was over joyed to find out that his 12 hours in game was still viable for a refund. I told him to try. Im glad he didnt see me as being hateful.

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finyar

No professional game critic would do that. He is just a fanboy who jumps on bandwagons as soon a possible – just like with BDO back then.

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Bryan Turner

He’s currently playing GW2, when did this Band Wagon 6 years in the making begin?

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Cosmic Cleric

No professional game critic would do that. He is just a fanboy who jumps on bandwagons as soon a possible

To be fair, he did apologize up front about making a mostly negative review/video. And he did call out a couple of good things Bless does as well.

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He isnt a professional game critic.

He is a gamer.. on youtube… giving his opinion to those who want to listen.

MOST of his videos give a balanced mix of good AND bad, which isnt something a fanboi would do. (“Most” doesnt include his latest 2 bless videos. So no need to point out an exception to a generalized statement I made)

A fanboi would seek out people who felt differently about a game they loved, and try to paint a picture of them as some big, evil, hate mongering baddie.

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He’s playing and criticising games for a living, so of course he is a professional “critic”.

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Dug From The Earth

He is a gamer, who found he can make additional money putting his thoughts on youtube.

Can you live off that? Absolutely.

Does that make him a professional critic? Hell no.

He has no boss, he has no training, no experience.

Trying to push the concept that he is a professional critic doesnt add any clout to other opinions you might be trying to promote.

Just to toss this in:

A professional is a member of a profession or any person who earns their living from a specified professional activity. The term also describes the standards of education and training that prepare members of the profession with the particular knowledge and skills necessary to perform their specific role within that profession. In addition, most professionals are subject to strict codes of conduct, enshrining rigorous ethical and moral obligations

It seems that you are taking the first sentence of that out of context, to meet your need to justify your tirade against some casual dude who is more known on the internet than you, because he doesnt share your opinion.

If anything, that quoted paragraph shows how very much he ISNT a professional, because he fails to meet most of those requirements

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That Lazy Peon is an imbecile, if you go way back you’ll see his initial look at Bless where he praises the graphics etc yet this time around is damning those very same things. He’s had various breakdowns in comment sections over the years calling people cancer & whatever else purely because they disagree with him.
As you rightly said hes just jumping on the bandwagon.

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Cosmic Cleric

if you go way back you’ll see his initial look at Bless where he praises the graphics etc yet this time around is damning those very same things.

Earlier preview vs. released product review videos. The former doesn’t go into buy/no-buy, while the latter does. And bad bugs/performance/translations are good no-buy reasons to cover in a review video.

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Dug From The Earth

Its amazing how experiencing something first hand can give you a better impression of quality than say, watching a marketing youtube trailer.

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Boom

He was playing the Korean version

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Cosmic Cleric

He was playing the Korean version

1. Code changes for NA version introduced bugs.
2. Servers in NA not as good, performance issues.
3. Korean version won’t show NA translations errors/bugs. One of which affected the tutorial, which made learning the game for new players allot harder, if their class doesn’t use poisons.

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Dug From The Earth

Did a bit of fact checking here

– He was playing the Japanese version, not Korean. But yes, its not a youtube trailer

– He played it in 2016.

– In the gaming industry, graphics and visuals can improve immensely in 2 years time. Its not uncommon to think something looks great, and 2 years later, comparatively, think it looks quite dated.

– He does praise the way the game looks when he played it in 2016

– He does say in his 2018 video that the graphics look very dated and like a mobile port (which a lot of unreal 3 games do look like)

I guess that means imbecile confirmed!

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Boom

Wow you really went full on to try & rectify your earlier gaff, I can only applaud the effort.
I guess the info he states in the first few seconds of the video where he states he had to buy a Korean account & a VPN to play as it was region locked to Korea is wrong as well?

No wonder you like him, seem to have a lot in common.

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Adam

Just looking at the preview of that Peon guy I want to expel all my worse bodily functions onto my screen. “Oh look at me, look at my silly face and my unkempt look, I am so whimsical in an off the cuff edgy sort of way. Click the video because we are going to have so much fun!!” Pe-on was a good choice on his part.

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Dug From The Earth

1. I stopped fact checking the region he was playing in, when in his new bless video he referenced “When i played in the past on the japan servers”… It turns out the japan servers were only a couple months ago (had i bothered to look at his next video). So yes, his 2016 impressions were indeed from the korean version. Not that it matters. The fact I was confirming was that his views werent from a youtube trailer, but from the actual game itself..

2. I never said I liked him. I said id trust someone who put time into a playing a game, vs someone who only played 2 hours. Im just playing devils advocate here because I enjoy debating with extremists who think that sitting on the far right or left, is actually the middle.

Everyone likes and dislikes things… and those likes and dislikes can change (which is FINE). The only difference here is this youtube guy is more famous than any of us (probably). So while we can sit in our homes and be super upset, or extraordinarily happy and not have to meet someone elses judgement for feeling that way, someone on youtube cant. Thats the cost of fame though.

It doesnt make them wrong for having an opinion. It doesnt make them an imbecile for feeling different than you. It just means that practical people understand that its just his opinion.

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Boom

1. You didnt confirm anything, I did earlier when I responded to you about him playing the Korean version to rectify your ridiculous proposition that I was commenting on him watching a video/trailer.
“Its amazing how experiencing something first hand can give you a better impression of quality than say, watching a marketing youtube trailer.”

If you actually read my posts I havent once said if I liked or disliked the game so there is no extreme. Youve just assumed as much because I dislike Lazy Peon.

His actual views on this & any games became irrelevant to me after watching a few a couple of years back where he completely omits details/facts & in some cases falsely so. In this case I was just highlighting his comments on Bless & how hypocritical he is along with the timing of this video.

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Dug From The Earth

Pause your tirade for a minute.. look back… what I was confirming, was actually proving YOUR reply as being correct.

You stated his opinions were based on the actual game… where I had commented before that saying there was a big difference between gameplay and a youtube trailer. I was confirming that you were correct, it was from gameplay, NOT a youtube video.

Dont let your hate drive your comments to the point of missing that parts of the debate where you actually win a segment.

As for your “extreme”… its in reference to your views on the youtuber, not the game. Not once have you tried to counter any of the negative game musings. Its all been about TLP.

Its one thing to simply disagree with him. Its another to insist that his opinions are anything other than simply his opinions. Doing so borders on the “conspiracy theory” extreme.

Does the fact that you dislike him mean that you jumped on the “Anti LazyPeoon Bandwagon” ?

Adding name calling to the ordeal also isnt earning you any merits.

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Cosmic Cleric

His actual views on this & any games became irrelevant to me after watching a few a couple of years back where he completely omits details/facts & in some cases falsely so.

Then go watch other people’s videos, they’re saying the same thing his is. Bad game because of issues/lack of polish, get a refund for you can.

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ihatevnecks

He also claimed SWTOR has better combat than this game. I’d say that marks him clearly in the “imbecile” category.

Like others have said, he’s made very similar videos to this one about both BDO and GW2. He happily trashed both on his social media. Then when he got bored of the games he was playing at that time, BDO and later GW2 became his favorite games ever. Nevermind how there weren’t really any big changes in either game during that period of time.

While I don’t disagree with most of his opinions on Bless, the guy has *always* been extremely dramatic with his negative views on things. If he dislikes part of a game, it’s not “these things are bad,” it’s “THIS IS THE WORST MMO I’VE SEEN IN YEARS.” Case in point: his comments on the combat in Bless.

Edit: If you want to see someone with similar opinions to LP’s, someone who’s also an Emissary (thus more to ‘lose’ in this situation), but who didn’t act like a grand dick – watch BigFryTV’s video.

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Cosmic Cleric

While I don’t disagree with most of his opinions on Bless, the guy has *always* been extremely dramatic with his negative views on things. If he dislikes part of a game, it’s not “these things are bad,” it’s “THIS IS THE WORST MMO I’VE SEEN IN YEARS.” Case in point: his comments on the combat in Bless.

I would not disagree with this, BUT that doesn’t make him wrong, or unjustified in saying it’s bad get a refund, as others are stating/insinuating.

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Dug From The Earth

Ah, the time we live in, where having a different opinion of a video game, gets you labeled as an imbecile.

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ihatevnecks

It was a joke. Though I still agree with finyar that the behavior LP shows on both of those videos, and in general with his negative reviews, is disgusting.

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Cosmic Cleric

the behavior LP shows on both of those videos, and in general with his negative reviews, is disgusting.

I’ve seen allot worse/bad on YouTube. /shrug

Overall, even if he’s over the top, he’s right about Bless Online, right now.

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Dug From The Earth

What Roseanne did was disgusting. What kids do when they bring weapons to school is disgusting.

Publicly expressing your dislike for something, even if your opinion changed… even warning people not to buy it, may lack tact… may lack business etiquette, may be blunt… but Disgusting it is not.

I do get your point though, you dont like how he did it, nor do you agree with it.

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finyar

The japanese server launched at the end of 2017, so something is wrong here ;)

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Dug From The Earth

perhaps he was in the beta?

finyar
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finyar

Nope, the beta was also in 2017.

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Boom

He was playing in the Korean one & openly states it in the first impressions video.

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Venomlicious

I bashed BDO and still play it from time to time. It’s only because we have nothing and the new one that just release was worse then the 9/11 disaster. Back to BDO i guess

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Adam

Venom, there is no such thing as too soon with 9/11, ppl need to stop comparing mmo screw ups to such. Nothing personal. Just my thoughts on etiquette. Some may not agree but it’s definitely not as timid as “diaper fire”.

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ihatevnecks

That happens in this genre for sure. But there is a difference between playing a game because “there’s nothing else” (even though I never agree with that sentiment), and bashing it on the level LP does and then suddenly claiming it’s the best MMO in the market – when nothing about it has actually changed.

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Cosmic Cleric

when nothing about it has actually changed.

If you’re talking about Bless, things have changed for the NA release …

1. Code changes for NA version introduced bugs.
2. Servers in NA not as good, performance issues.
3. Korean version won’t show NA translations errors/bugs. One of which affected the tutorial, which made learning the game for new players allot harder, if their class doesn’t use poisons.

ihatevnecks
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ihatevnecks

No, was talking about his leaps in opinion about BDO and (to a lesser degree) GW2.

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cursedseishi

Quality is usually the last reason the games ever do a ‘no questions’ refund. Far as I remember hearing about and reading, the option to allow such refunds is on the developer/publisher of the title.

Remember, Valve doesn’t do jack squat about their store unless its part of a multi-million dollar lawsuit or the threat of one. If ‘quality’ was of concern, the thousands of asset flips on the store would all be allowed it–which they aren’t.

The most likely situation is Neowiz petitioned/enabled Valve to allow open refunds to try and generate some more than lukewarm PR for themselves. Last thing you want is for an MMO (which nobody would hit the point where the deficiencies at end game are at well before 2 hours) to be saddled by angry customers that are driven both by the cost of the game as well as their dislike to continue pushing against the game.

It is far easier to give them a refund, and hope that curbs most of the angry masses to go elsewhere.

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Cosmic Cleric

From what I’ve read/seen about Neowiz, they are hurting badly for cash/return on investment, which makes what you are saying problematic.

If experience holds, it’s Valve not wanting Neowiz’s bad vibes/cooties to hit them with splash damage and stick, by forcing customers to be stuck with a bad product.

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Bango on Laurelin

Bless…. Grrrr… Refundz now steam!

Wait!

Bless FTW <3

repeat and cycle ad nauseum…