The Daily Grind: What immersive RPG elements are missing from the modern MMORPG?

    
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This morning’s Daily Grind inquisitor is Kickstarter donor Nepentheia, who wonders about the “RPG” in MMORPG:

What RPG elements that create a more immersive experience do you feel are missing from (more recently released) MMOs?

Hunger and thirst spring first to mind, followed by meaningful travel and day-and-night cycles. Very few MMOs include these elements at all.

Of course, a lot of RPGs don’t bother with crafting or housing — and if they do, they often have little significance in the gameworld — and that’s one place some MMOs have proven superior when it comes to world simulation, which at least for me is important to immersion.

What RPG bits are missing from modern MMORPGs, and do they make a difference to the immersive experience?

Every morning, the Massively Overpowered writers team up with mascot Mo to ask MMORPG players pointed questions about the massively multiplayer online roleplaying genre. Grab a mug of your preferred beverage and take a stab at answering the question posed in today’s Daily Grind!
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BenoitGdSP
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BenoitGdSP

Immersive UI. For example ,  medieval theme : a real-like cross on a real-like map. I can’t feel like a knight if I have glowing circlular areas on a high tech minimap /map

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EO_Lonegun Project54

I have mixed feelings on this. A character is a person’s identity in the game, it’s what I know them as. In a multiplayer game other people identities are as important as your own. Take the male dwarf hunter in your guild that you have played with for years. You know him as a male dwarf hunter. If he suddenly turns up one night as female elf (but naturally with the same playstyle and personality) that’s difficult to reconcile in an immersive way.

I’m actually quite happy with the compromise that the current system provides.The option is there if somebody really wants to change their character but the charge keeps a barrier that prevents people changing on a whim. If they allowed people to completely overhaul the look of their character whenever they want you just know there would be some people turning up different every night, and that would destroy immersion.

EO_Lonegun
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EO_Lonegun

JohnT_NC I do like that about SWTOR because it is the alignment system affecting a character.

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EO_Lonegun

Project54 I see what you are saying, but why not give players the option so they can make the choice. Just because the customization system is in place doesn’t mean you have to use it.

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Vikingr Project54

I actually though you did (want to copy all of real life), so apologies for misunderstanding your point! I wasn’t intentionally missing part of your sentence because it was inconvenient, I was just focusing on the part I disagreed with (of course I’m ok with games feeling natural!). 

I think what your saying is you only want to copy real life if said copying feels natural, but even using your full sentence I disagree. No matter how natural it feels, I have no desire for games to copy the duller elements of real life. I’d rather they focus on the things we can’t do in real life (while making it natural and immersive!).

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Project54 
I know what you meant.

What I said was this: “I believe the most important aspect of immersion is copying real life to the extent it feels natural […]”

But you make it look like I said I wanted to copy all of real life. To make sense of what I said then you must quote the whole sentence.

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Veldan Project54

Shh don’t remind me of the truth. MMO’s seem to have gone in the direction of simple entertainment, at the cost of becoming more shallow. The initial draw of MMO’s was this idea of immersing into a different world, not instant gratification.

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carsont Project54

Thanks for your reply. Have they actually removed guild achievements or are they just not providing new ones at anything less than heroic level? Either way a real shame, having things to do with your guild beyond raiding is a good thing and not every guild (probably a majority) is a raiding guild.

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Vikingr Project54

I didn’t mean to offend, it’s just meant to be a light hearted discussion. I was just disagreeing that ‘the most important aspect of immersion is copying real life’ (yes those were your words!). I don’t want to see games copying the more dull and irritating things about real life (such as the need to sleep) and I don’t need these things to be immersed.

Jacra
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Jacra

I love small things that make the world feel alive and not just a setting beyond a stage for “heroes”. Anyone seen Eldevin with the people emptying buckets out of windows? NPC walking around moving boxes and such, sweeping the floor, stealing stuff etc?
Sometimes I just followed them around to see what they do.