Massively Opinionated: Which MMO dev handles offensive people the best?

    
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MMO communities, like all online communities, have some bad eggs. Each MMO handles these people in different ways. We tackle some of these community-related questions in this week’s debate. Larry asked Jason Winter of MMOBomb and The Cosmic Engine to debate which MMO developer handles these issues the best.

The rules of the debate are simple: The panelists are given four questions before the show, and they defend their position to the host. Our host then gives a point to the best argument for each question, and the panelist with the most points at the end wins.

This week’s questions

1. What is the best way to moderate forums to reduce the amount of terrible people? (Patreon question from Viking!)

2. What is the best way to punish the players that do this so that they will not do it again?(Patreon question from Viking!)

3. Build me an MMO that combines different genres and would be fun to play. (Patreon question from Viking!)

4. Which company handles the offensive people in its MMO communities the best?

This week’s panelists

Jason Winter
Website: MMOBomb
Twitter: WinterInformal

Michael Brown
YouTube: The Cosmic Engine
Twitter: CosmicEngine99

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Vikingr
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Vikingr

plakia 
So you don’t believe in good behavior then? Everybody act as they want, with no sanctions or moderation?

Peregrine_Falcon
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Peregrine_Falcon

breetoplay – Ok, my stats were a bit off. I was going from memory.
The statistics are that 33% of children are growing up in households without THEIR biological father present.http://www.growingupwithoutafather.org/learned.html

And only 46% of children are growing up in a household that has two married parents in their first marriage.  http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/12/22/less-than-half-of-u-s-kids-today-live-in-a-traditional-family/

“Other” family members don’t really matter. Grandma isn’t a man and a woman can’t teach a boy how to be a man. The last 40 years of single mothers unable to control their children (70% of prison inmates today grew up with a single mother) proves that.  https://familyinequality.wordpress.com/2012/12/05/how-many-prisoners-grew-up-with-both-parents/

I wasn’t talking about poverty, although children of non-married parents are more likely to live in poverty, I was talking about people being rude dooshtards on the internet.

The problem is that children that grow up in a household without a father don’t have someone to provide discipline and teach them that there’s a line that you don’t cross. No one’s afraid of mom. Statistics prove that as well.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

Edany (AmberACurtis) Craywulf But people were jerks all the time back then. The more powerful a guild became, the more it got away with being complete shitheads, and the majority of people on the server were unable to fight back at all, with or without tools, on PvP servers and on PvE servers. And when your server was run by jerks, your only option was to quit the game; you didn’t have dozens of options.
When my guild brought over blacklists from UO, where they were common, to EQ, EQ players on our server threw a complete tantrum over the idea that their crappy actions (cheating on camp lists, stealing loot, training) were being recorded and shared. The tantrum went on for months until enough guilds were blacklisting US that we had to stop. No one wanted to be held accountable for being assholes back then. Let’s not glorify that age.

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breetoplay

Peregrine_Falcon Craywulf These statistics are incorrect because they conflate single mothers, single parents, and unwed mothers (the last of which is increasingly common). It’s about 25% children in families with no father present. And even that isn’t the whole picture as families like that tend to have other family members (grandma) assist with child-rearing. Poverty is the real problem those families face. It’s not the issue here as this is not a hobby friendly to the poor. If anything, gaming’s got the opposite problem.

plakia
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plakia

The devs that handle offensive people the best are those that don’t moderate at all. The internet isn’t some hug box. People need to learn to deal with those they don’t like rather than shielding themselves from every little thing that offends them. Grown adults need to stop throwing tantrums just because some nerd triggered them on the internet.

Vikingr
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Vikingr

Remianen Peregrine_Falcon Craywulf 
Yes, strong parenting is the key. But it has to be done right – firm, fair, forseeable, and with love. Always with love and tell the kid why you do it when sanctioning. The firm lines must never be ignored or not sanctioned on when overstepped. The kid must know there is going to be punishment, and why. So you must’ve explained the rules – and sanctions – thurroughly on beforehand.

But it must be fair and reasonable. For instance – “No Playstation for the next month.” or “Grounded until further” and not “You’ll be spanked with my leather belt until you submit.” Remember your kids will be your equal and friend when the grow up, don’t make them you enemies for the next 50 years.

The thing with firm lines/borders are easier to teach kids than most people think. It’s so easy it’s funny it actually works. You just have to be 100% firm on the lines & rules. If you start when they’re young they’ll adapt quickly. If you say “No nagging about sweets of icecream in the mall” and say “No!” when they do it anyway, they will stop. But if you give them an icecream once in a while, just to stop their cries, then you destroy all line setting and the kid will always be disobedient.

JoeCrocker
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JoeCrocker

I don’t argue that what I did was rude or against the rules but it was not worthy of a permaban. And I’m sure people exist with both yours and my opinion on the issue. However I do believe in second chances and understand that sometimes people make mistakes an let their emotions take hold. Permabans for first/mild offenders is not the way to go and I’ll stand by that. People deserve second chances everywhere in life including MMOs and forums. The fact that i had been playing the game since it was released and got perma banned from an official forum for one minor offense was rediculous. I would have been fine with a temp ban and probably would thought about posting anything rude in the future had that happened but instead SE lost a customer be caused they over regulate. There needs to be a balance and people need second chances unless its just something off the wall like making death or rape threats. Laughing and saying gtfo at someone’s post giant worthy of a perm ban. I’m just pointing out what over regulation can lead to and it has specifically on ffxiv.

Remianen
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Remianen

Peregrine_Falcon Craywulf Yeah, not buying this. Speaking for myself and several of my friends who came from the same situation, strong parenting is the key. Whether it’s one parent or two. I grew up with many people who had both parents in the household and, quite frankly, the single mom raised dude(s) (and girls) turned out much better. Point blank, if the father is a POS, having him in the household does not help the child’s development.

And by the way, some of the most notorious MMO trolls…..grew up with both parents in the household (I know several of them). People who get permabanned from games in OPEN BETA (when pretty much anything goes? Yep, both parents. It’s how they find fun in games, for whatever reason.

DahkohtLewin
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DahkohtLewin

This. My wife disciplines the kids but they know damn well if she threatens to get dad on the phone it’s over. Their teachers the same. My kids know to keep it behind a certain line because they’ve each crossed it at one point in the past. They remember the results , and never want to see that again , thus they’ve yet to ever act the fool again.

Remianen
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Remianen

JoeCrocker So because you don’t know of anyone who has done it, that means those people don’t exist? By that measure, if you don’t know any NFL players, then NFL players don’t exist. That line of thinking is preposterous. 

You got banned because you broke the rules. Period, full stop. You knew the rules and you willingly broke them (and before you say you didn’t know the rules, almost all game forums have THE SAME RULES which boil down to ‘don’t be a dick’) so now you suffer the consequences. People (and companies) have the right to set the rules in their house. If you go to someone’s house and they tell you to take off your shoes and you refuse, they’re well within their rights to kick you out. Likewise, on a private forum (which a developer hosted board qualifies as), they can do whatever the heck they want to. They don’t HAVE to give you multiple chances. They don’t HAVE to give you a warning. If multiple people reported your post (which you would not be aware of), they can decide you’re not worth the trouble and ban you.

How ’bout this? Instead of complaining about heavy handed moderation, try self-moderating. Sure, cutting out inane prattle (gtfo lmao) will cut your post count to the quick, but I can guarantee you won’t be banned again.