Guild Wars 2’s introduction of raids is followed shortly by the introduction of raid drama

    
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We had a bet running that it would take longer.

Guild Wars 2 introduced the first wing of its new raids to players yesterday. To make these new raids as good as they could possibly be, ArenaNet recruited high-end guilds full of raiders dedicated to achievements like world first clears. The idea was that these guilds would take part in the testing but would not then immediately brag about world first kills after months of practice on this content no one else had played.

It appears that the guild Death and Taxes did not get that particular memo. The guild has now been removed from further raid testing, and a valuable lesson has been learned about raid drama. Further raid testing is ongoing; you can read the full statement from ArenaNet regarding the removal just below.

As many in our player community are aware, we invited the guild Death and Taxes [DnT] to our raids testing program a month ago and gave them unlimited access to the three raid wings currently under development. Upon public release of our first raid wing today, DnT decided to go against the spirit of our relationship by promoting the speed with which they completed the raid wing without ensuring that those reading their comments were fully aware of the fact that they had been given early access. In taking that approach, DnT showed that they do not fully respect everyone in our community, and that is something that we take extremely seriously. As a result, we have decided to remove DnT from our testing program. We want to thank them for their involvement.

Moving forward, ArenaNet continues to be excited about the possibility of collaborating with guilds in the spirit of creating great raids and fostering a positive relationship with our community. We’ll be watching as other groups attempt to defeat the raid with the goal of identifying additional likely test candidates.

Source: Official Forums; thanks to Siphaed and Super Secret for the tip!
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jamesbanksatl
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jamesbanksatl

So they got suspended for not breaking the NDA?

Radfist
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schmidtcapela Radfist breetoplay SallyBowls1 Siphaed  I think the most off-putting thing was ‘Looking for x class, zerker / portal only’.  They were annoying to run normally and promoted speed runs.  It didn’t play to the strengths of the GW2 combat system at all, it almost seemed like they were designed for the trinity and instead turned into zerg rushes.

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Radfist breetoplay SallyBowls1 Siphaed 
Without a good LFD tool I actually think GW2’s dungeons were run very sparingly, with most of the player base having never run the group versions of the dungeons. AFAIK the vast majority of players aren’t keen on organized grouping.

But then, I’m biased. I would rather delete a MMO from my computer than spam the chat looking for a group.

Radfist
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breetoplay Radfist SallyBowls1 Siphaed Usurped would indicate that dungeons haven’t been abandoned for years now and were being actively worked on until raids arrived. Best they got was one updated path for an existing dungeon.
Lets be honest, most things were handled better in GW1 haha. Not sure why they abandoned dungeons in GW2, I suspect they looked at some metrics showing that dungeons weren’t that popular – which is because they are terrible, not because people don’t want to do dungeons.

breetoplay
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Radfist breetoplay SallyBowls1 Siphaed The elite missions weren’t developed at the expense of the normal missions, though (and even EOTN’s dungeons were soloable). It’s a bit hard to compare to GW2 since raiding in GW2 has now usurped other forms of content (dungeons).

kgptzac
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TheZebes Looking at the stuff people dug from google cache, I think it’s more than justified that people dancing on the grave of DnT because they did leave a mark of assholes, lol.

Lisagearbolt
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Lisagearbolt

Haha…raiding.

BigMikeyOcho
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Ekphrasis I think it’s a little of column A, little of column B. They may not have broken any NDAs or agreements for being part of testing since the content is already released (or maybe they had, I’m not sure, I haven’t seen the agreements). However, being directly invited testers they are representative of ArenaNet and the GW2 community. The immaturity displayed, the poor form, doesn’t exactly put GW2 or their new raids in a great light. I mean, if *that’s* an example of the raiding community, why would anyone want to join it? DnT has made themselves and ANet look bad by acting superior while not being truthful. … basically, DnT’s PR needs a little work. :P

BigMikeyOcho
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BryanCo Sadly, there doesn’t appear to be a way to put one of those cones over a raiding guild’s head.

AGx
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AGx

Maybe in the future they should identify the “high-end” guilds and then pluck people from a number of these guilds to create test guilds. That way, you don’t have groups full of testers in the public release just maybe a guy or two, per guild, who can try to explain things.