RIFT raiding guild drama results in player suspensions

    
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Guild Wars 2 isn’t the only game to have recently been smacked with a spate of raiding guild drama: The normally unassuming MMO themepark RIFT was embroiled in spectacle over the holiday.

Major RIFT raiding guild Apotheosys concocted a 13-minute goodbye video and 3400-word blog post slamming developer Trion Worlds, comparing it to the “Nazi regime,” and declaring RIFT “dead.” Trion’s supposed crimes worthy of parody comparison to promulgators of the Holocaust? Bugs, raid progression problems, and heavy-handed moderation.

As to the moderation charge, Trion apparently suspended a number of players for posting the link to the video in-game and on the forums, causing additional outrage and prompting RIFT Community Manager Ocho to issue an official statement on the game’s forums:

Recently we’ve run into a situation where a few more folks than usual have been suspended from the forums for violations of our forum guidelines and I thought I’d take this opportunity to remind folks there are rules here so that no one gets in unnecessary trouble.

At the top of the forums there is a post labeled “Announcement: Official RIFT Forum Rules”. Please read and review it and if you have any questions please post them to this thread. The intent of the rules is to promote productive conversations that provide actionable feedback and a healthy community.

A few key take aways for those that don’t want to read it at the moment: Don’t call people names, Don’t troll, Don’t try to get around a ban by creating an alternate account or posting on a different account.

If you have questions about something the moderators did, please PM me. I’m happy to answer any questions, and correct their choices if they made a mistake.

As to the current kerfuffle, I’ve watched the video (obviously unacceptable for the forums) and while I think there are some fair bits (mostly relating to bosses being unavailable due to bugs, something that’s never acceptable to us) most of it is hyperbole or a distortion of the truth. We’re not going to discuss it further, because of the content we can’t really have a full discussion, but we are happy to answer questions and talk about RIFT. That will pick up more as the holidays end and we all get back in office.

Some enforcement has also happened based on in game behavior around this situation, with a small number of temporary suspensions as a result.

Apotheosys is apparently setting up shop Horde-side in World of Warcraft.

Source: Reddit, official forums, Ocho’s statement. Thanks to everyone who sent this in.
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Craywulf
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Ceder You’re right you didn’t accuse me personally shilling or drinking their kool-aid, instead you made sweeping generalizations towards other people. 

I guess you have some serious trust issues, because there’s nothing alleged about my lack of having played Rift or any Trion games. I flat out said “I don’t play Rift.” Furthermore your perspective of fallen prey is a rather extreme discriptor of what’s really happening. Trion has practices that you clearly do not like, but it doesn’t mean everyone has fallen prey as you put it. 

Yes, it was definitely intended to be a snide remark, good eye at catching it.

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Craywulf Ceder  Never said you were shilling nor drinking their coo-aid. You can observationally make your statements against dissention from the periphery in endorsement of their business practices. 

People have fallen prey but perhaps you are unaware of this due to your alleged lack of having played Rift(and perhaps any of the other products they either have made or published with direct influences).

Thus your rather passionate responses in the discussion seem a bit imbalanced with your lack of investment Rift or perhaps any Trion products. 

If you truly wish something more snidely implied though, perhaps you meant to say “not marginalized” in your last sentence?

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Ceder No, simple petulant childish responses like yours is exactly what’s wrong here. I don’t even play Rift, I don’t appreciate being accused of drinking thier kool-aid. If you can’t discuss something without making snide accusations then its not worth responding. I am not a shill, nor are people falling prey. That’s all in your head.

Learn to constructively criticize without petulant remarks and sweeping judgements. Maybe then you would get marginalized.

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Craywulf Silvercat18  Craywulf, I get you feel that anyone who dissents against Trion’s kool-aid should be silent and move on.  That simply enables them to continue to fleece others. 

Thankfully though there are plenty of people who feel it is important to make others aware so that they do not fall prey to their business practices.

Whilst Im sure that Trion and some who shill for them would prefer otherwise, it simply wont happen.

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Veldan rogerstim37 The original guild which was called “Special Olympics” got disbanded because a bunch of the members got one month bans for cheating . That split the guild because some of the members didn’t approve of officers were doing . When the banned members returned they formed Apotheosys in 2013 .

All guilds have a shifting player base and sometimes change names within different games but essentially the core leadership and membership of Apotheosys is the same as “Special Olympics” and whatever they called themselves in WoW .

Scarecrowe
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HeadlineSkimmer (or to the mod)
He must have just skimmed the headlines?

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Scarecrowe

KirkSteadman
Yup. I loved the game and the first expansion.  But then it shifted to F2P and the second expansion was so boring that I actually had to force myself to grind to level cap… I was burned out on just a few levels so I couldn’t even bring myself to do the dungeons or go raid… which had been the main reason I enjoyed Rift to begin with.

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rogerstim37 From their recruitment thread:

“<Apotheosys> was created on 30th August 2013 by a group of highly
competitive players, coming from “old-school” top-ranked guilds, lead by
the architect/raid-leader of some of RIFT’s most successful raiding
guilds.”

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Silvercat18 So youve never bought a bad product and enjoyed anyway?

SWG customers left, I don’t recall the kind of petulant behavior displayed in uproar regarding the changes ultimately nothing changed from whatever verbal insults that were hurled towards the developers. It wasn’t until discontent gamers bailed on them and went back to their previous MMO.

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Craywulf Silvercat18  Thinking that “developers owe us gamers a really good product” is wrong? Are you seriously saying that?

I seems to remember a game called Star Wars Galaxies that decided it knew better than its players….it did not end well for that company.