The Daily Grind: Should e-sports players unionize?

    
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MCV reported this week that World of Tanks studio Wargaming plans to help organize a union for pro e-sports players. Wargaming European e-sports boss Nicolas Passemard implied that without some formal organization looking out for pro players’ interests, exploitation is possible:

“It comes from a need to do something. We faced a few issues and incidents, and of course we didn’t like that because these incidents were not in favour of the players. So at a point we have to make a decision, either we get more directly involved or we keep having issues. We still want the players and the teams to lead a life of their own, because if we help them too much or if we do things for them they kind of lose the warm feeling of doing it themselves or they lose motivation, but in the end we had to do something. So we looked at some options and the best one is to help the pro players create a union for themselves. We have to do it, there will be issues, maybe we aren’t ready [for a players union] but we will find a way.”

Where you come down on the issue probably depends a lot on your own experiences with unions in the real world and on how much stock you put into pro gaming on the whole, but let’s have it: Do you think that pro e-sports players ought to unionize?

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moirrey
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If they don’t want to get ripped off, then yes.

libertylion7
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ManastuUtakata libertylion7 Armsbend Who is ‘pushing out Cruz’?  The establishment hates him too.  They just hate Trump more.  I’d say you’re not read up on the nuances between Trump and Cruz as they are quite different.  Trump doesn’t even know what he is saying and changes his position multiple times, sometimes in the same day.  Basically he is winging everything without any consistency.  Cruz has a solid history of standing up to the corruption in both parties and is very much hated by the GOP leadership because he has called them out.  Trump on the other hand has spent the last 40 years being a part of that corruption by buying political favor.  I will take a solid constitutionalist over a populist/authoritarian every day and twice on Sunday.  That and there is the whole Trump acts like a spoiled child brat on everything.  At least Cruz and his family are presidential and respectful.

Hounddog74
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Armsbend

Except everything in my post was a first hand account, so it’s obviously not horseshit. Seriously, look up some union rules and educated yourself. 

Union Rules

It took 30 seconds to find that link on Google, and it backs up everything I said in my first post, including the three people required for a single forklift and electricians having to hook up AV equipment…i.e. plug in your shit.

Union Camp wasn’t even a union it was a corporation, so it obviously does get more union than that. And you are aware that unions pretty much don’t exist in many states and the sky hasn’t fallen yet, right?

Most of unions today aren’t remotely similar to the ones of yesteryear that people like to romanticize.

schmidtcapela
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AilsaN10 
What you described isn’t communism as a whole, but rather the specific, corrupt brand of communism that was implemented in the Soviet Union, and that actually isn’t considered communism at all (but rather state capitalism, a kind of capitalism where the state owns the means of production) by some other communist tendencies. Saying that what happened in the Soviet Union is representative of Communism is like saying the current chaos in Brazil is representative of capitalist democracies.

Communism comes in many shapes and sizes, though most of them put at the forefront the ideal of equality and democracy.

ManastuUtakata
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libertylion7 Armsbend 
So they push out Cruz as alternative? He seems more the Bible Belt’s version of Trump. :(

libertylion7
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Armsbend Most republicans don’t support Trump.  And Trump followers are uneducated, low info voters.  

But on the other hand, the dems don’t understand that it isn’t a democracy either.  They just want mob rule and vote in as much ‘free stuff’ as they can.  We are quickly losing our republic to a democracy, as the rule of law gets thrown out the window for majority want and political correctness.

libertylion7
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Armsbend AilsaN10 BWAHAHAHAHA. Capitalism has been the single biggest equalizer of mankind in the history of the world.  Ideal communism is a pipe dream.  It doesn’t work.  It always turns into the few elite reaping all the work of the common poor.  And there is never a chance to change your lot in life.  Defending communism over real capitalism in and of itself is indefensible.

libertylion7
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Armsbend I don’t think so.  Besides, you’re talking about unions in past tense and not the monstrosity that they have become, chocking out growth and creating a financial burden so heavy that legacy costs destroy the very business that employs them.

libertylion7
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Armsbend Hounddog74 There are labor laws now you know.

schmidtcapela
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schmidtcapela

BryanCo ManastuUtakata melissaheather Quincha 
My personal view of Democracy is that it actually is among the worst forms of government if you have ideal conditions: to say, completely honest and wise politicians.

On the other hand, it’s the one that is less hampered by corruption and incompetence, thus making it the best one for the real world, despite all its failings.