Rockstar and Take-Two back down (a little) on Grand Theft Auto modding policies

    
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Early this month, the Grand Theft Auto V/Online community suffered the shutdown of OpenIV, a modding tool that’s served the series’ community for almost 10 years, following a cease-and-desist letter Rockstar and Take-Two sent its operators. Rockstar said it wasn’t targeting single-player mods but dealing with OpenIV’s enabling of “malicious mods that allow harassment of players and interfere with the GTA Online experience for everybody.” Three more mods, cheat-centric, were served takedowns last week and tasked with donating their profits to charity, all of which led gamers to petition the companies to stop — some even began a (successful) campaign to tank the game’s Steam ratings. Even the BBC reported on the scuffle.

Over the weekend, Rockstar tried to calm players.

“Take-Two has agreed that it generally will not take legal action against third-party projects involving Rockstar’s PC games that are single-player, non-commercial, and respect the intellectual property (IP) rights of third parties,” the company writes, though excepting the online game server, hacks and cheats, and IP violations from that rule and reserving the right to change the policy whenever it chooses, none of which is soothing Reddit.

Motherboard implies that Rockstar seems to be attempting to distance itself from Take-Two’s original position and is negotiating with both the parent company and the developer of OpenIV to sort it out.

Source: Rockstar, Motherboard via GIbiz. Thanks, Balsbigbrother!
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so basically hatign on gtao is already easy internet points on reddit.

which i’m pretty sure for a long while now people who have never touched the game just paste old upvoted comments for easy points despite how out of date or untrue the claims ever were.

one of the common points is lack of singleplayer dlc which they blame on gtao and it’s sharkcards. which is quite odd because rockstar/take two voiced frustration with poor sales of gta4’s sp DLC to the point it was quite obvious before gta5 released on ps3/360 it would unlikely have more of the same.

while the other general circle jerk is about how grindy gtao is and how everything is priced to push shark cards… except with the past year + of open world centric content updates it’s actually those prices are relatively low relative to reasonable income rates playing fairly casually solo or with a small group of friends.

if you look into far enough, the “singleplayer” mods/modding apps like openIV and scripthookV despite having safeguards to prevent use in mp, are themselves modded to be used in different manners relative to their specific function to cheat in gtao.

throw in that there is no demarcation in terms of code and whatnot in gta5 between singleplayer and online that would act as a sort of barrier between differentating sp mods from singleplayer cheats.

and ofc with the review bombing the reality that many of these reviews are by people who bought the game to negatively review and then refund immidiately. which is a shit poor practice no matter how you spin it. the old reddit witch hunt as it were. and lets be real here what merit does a review have from someone who showed up from reddit as part of a lynch mob and has never played the game and never will play the game.

so it was a hefty week or two for hte karma train on certain game subs and those who profitted in internet points can give themselves a pat on the back that they successfully review bombed the best selling game on every platform on which it exists because it’s an all around very very good game.

but what do i know? i got told when talking about my enjoyment of gtao as what i had always wanted from the franchise and supporting them with the occasional shark card that i never feel is a must to buy despite playing almost every entry in the franchise since the first in the late 90s, i got told i’m not a true fan and ruining it for everyone else.

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Pedge Jameson

Adding this to news for an MMO site only fuels the argument, OPENIV was never meant not does it have to do with anything online, you’re stoking the issue reporting this.

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Schmidt.Capela

I’ve never seen so many negative reviews in so little time.

And the only reason I didn’t leave a negative review myself is because I neither got the game nor am I willing to exploit the refund loophole to leave a negative review without paying for the game.

And no, what Take Two promised wouldn’t be enough to dissuade me from doing it; after all they did go for the nuclear option, threatening legal action against a mod team that does its best to prevent its tools from being used to cheat online despite never having had any help or recognition from the devs and publisher.

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Sally Bowls

Perhaps it is backing down a little, but you omitted the part that made me sigh/wince: I certainly did not feel good about it. I.e.,

Now, Rockstar has updated its support page to further clarify what kind of modifications Take-Two will take legal action against but notes that, officially, neither party endorses unofficial game modifications.

When devs are saying “neither party endorses unofficial game modifications” I am cynical/experienced enough to expect some future weaseling around or at least a horrible tech support experience.

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Tin foil hat question time: what about the “unofficial” in “neither party endorses unofficial game modifications” Is this a trend, e.g.Bethesda. where the devs would like to free you from the horrors of free mods by selling you mods?

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modding has rarely ever been an official thing in the history of video games. if the tools themselves are supported the mods themselves certainly aren’t this includes but isn’t limited to skyrim and fo4 mods in the steam workshop.

they are supplied without warranty or support.

in the case of gta5 modding even less than that much.

the difference when they do become supported is in such cases like counterstrike, or in upcoming plans bethesda’s creator program (which is less like paid mods and more like contractor DLC and otherwise supported in so far as bethesda can be said to support and QA even their own games *AHEM*).

generally regardless of the game, mods are always implicitly unofficial and unsupported. even if the functionality to add mods to w/e game is supported in itself. and always as such with the limitations already spelled out.

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Lord Zorvan

I’m waiting to see Bethesda’s response when every single “paid mod” they list ends up having a free version available from other modders on Nexus or elsewhere.

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the contract for the new program doesnt allow that sort of thing.

this is esentially outsourced DLC more or less as opposed to the mod paradigm.

tho apparently some of the modders out there are trying to erase every evidence of their mods in advance of planning to join the program with existing mods.

even tho bethesda are apparently being hardasses about not allowing existing mods into the program.

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Lord Zorvan

What I meant is, say Timmy “The Wannabe Developer” Thompson makes his mod for Bethesda’s “Creators Program”. Now Jimmy “Fuck Paid Mods” Jackson makes a free mod with every feature Timmy put in his. Which one you think is going places?

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maybe fortunately the mod community that is involved here doesn’t work like that.

like i said the more shady thing is the modders who are trying to remove all traces of their mods to get easy in to the program.

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Tanek

There are so many examples out there now of how going full-aggro right out of the gate backfires, I have to wonder whether the people who make these decisions have ever actually seen the internet.

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wandris

A bit too late, like anyone is actually going to untank your steam ratings and untaint your reputation.

I am glad to see people stand up to this, you can tell the corporate mind is eyeing free mods like a juicy steak that can be packaged and sold. It’s not like this is the first time something like this has happened either, but mods are one thing players are sensitive about, and it would have paid to maybe do a bit of research to avoid this very predictable result of heavy handed greed.

I mean shit they probably just lost between 25m to 1b in future revenue, it will come down to how forgiving people are and if they will take such an affront into account when the release GTA6 or the RDR2.

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Here’s the thing…I have no idea what this means.
This statement rings pretty fucking hollow when Take 2 hasn’t retracted their C&D against the devs of OpenIV. Looking at OpenIV’s site, they were looking for “an official statement about modding” issued by Take Two, and this seems like the closest thing we’ll get, but it doesn’t changed what already happened.
Take Two and Rockstar knew damn well that OpenIV actively prevented the player from going online with modded games. They knew that OpenIV didn’t do anything to GTA Online aside from make people not play it. They KNEW what they were doing, and this half-assed “apology” means nothing if OpenIV doesn’t come back. Take-Two Interactive did to themselves and Rock Star has to try and clean up the mess. – Reddit quote

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there are mods for openiv and scripthookV that allow it to be used online. particularly on pserver but in teh latter’s case also on official servers.

i mean a game that has no official support for being modded why can’t the mod tools that do that be modded too against their original developers’ intentions?

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Darthbawl

My opinion, this should never have gotten to the point it did. The damage is done in the minds of a lot of people and I’m sure some will not forgive this. Nice to see a change of mind nonetheless.

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Sorenthaz

It’s a half-assed legalese answer tbh. Not really a change of mind.

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Necromonger

And once again the PC community picked up their shields and swords and brought justice for their platform o/

Good news for everyone as taking mods away from PC gamers is just a crime…

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BalsBigBrother

I guess the review bombing started to sting a little. Still I am glad that they finally saw sense and back tracked on this a bit.

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Sorenthaz

Beautiful. Rockstar seriously needs to wake up and pay attention to the PC side of their games instead of being woefully negligent.

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BalsBigBrother

To be fair, it is Rockstar that are seemingly acting as mediators between the publisher (Take Two) and the players so that a compromise can be had. They should have gone with that option to start with instead of the cease and desists but well we got here in the end so I will take it.

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eh gtao is pretty well supported.

they’ve got one of the most aggressive content development cycles in the genre, and despite what reddit loves to think is far from being in the top 10 for grindy monetization design in this genre.

ofc reddit doesn’t consider gtao to be an mmo for w/e reason idk the logic behind either so, comparisons to traditionally singleplayer franchises and their monetization adn grindiness like TESO fall on death ears.

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zeko_rena

Haha wow I had never looked at the review rating on Steam, that is hilarious