Guild Wars 2 names and shames tournament cheaters

    
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Bang bang.
Want to enter in and — more importantly — win in a Guild Wars 2 monthly tournament but you lack the well-honed skills to do so? Why, the solution’s obvious, darling! Just get someone else to play on your behalf! That way you get the win and nobody’s the wiser. Unless (and this is such an outside possibility that it’s embarrassing to bring up) ArenaNet catches you.

Whoops, ArenaNet caught you. And now you’re being name-shamed in front of the entire game community, stripped of your titles and prizes, dishonored for the rest of the season, and temporarily permanently banned from taking part of tournaments and all other forms of PvP. Just don’t try to blame us for the bad advice, OK?

The studio said that it is taking a situation “very seriously” that found 10 players guilty of using substitutes in the automated monthly tournament. “We received many reports that the winners of July’s monthly tournament were not played by the owners of those accounts,” the studio said. “After a thorough investigation, we have found that these accusations are true.”

Source: Official forums. Thanks Mike and miol!
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Paragon Lost

I have to say that I give ArenaNet a thumbs up on this.

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McSleaz

All cheating should be Named & Shamed in ALL online games.

Godnaz
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Godnaz

They have the balls to comment in the thread on their own banishment, basically finding it funny.
Noz, one of the accused wrote:

It’s been a wild ride boys. You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. :P

They don’t even think they did anything wrong. That they are ‘helping’ GW2 by taking the fall and becoming martyrs and there are ‘boys’ in the thread commending them and demonizing the developer. How fucking sick is that?

If there is anything that life has taught me, it’s that cheating is worth the slap on the wrist.

They still get to play the game though, Anet? Yep, we’re fucked.

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lordkrall

They get to play the game, but they do not get to play PvP ever again (without using other accounts)

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Paragon Lost

And a different IP address as well would be my bet.

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keyst0ne_light

Your comment really reflects your lack of understanding of the state of gw2 pvp right now. The reason that the people being banned are making light of it is because they dont care. For a lot of top pvp players the expansion killed competitive pvp and made a lot of the skill based aspects of the game irrelevant.

This handful of players are probably the best remaining pvp players in the game right now. The fact they are willing to risk being banned for money in a game theyve invested thousands of hours in should be an indication of how stale the pvp scene has become.

When the game only has like 20 or 30 actually decent players active, and you remove 5 of them, it really does hurt the game for anyone playing near the top. Furthermore most players at the top dont really even care about it, and the majority of the ones that do probably weren’t high enough mmr to play with these people anyways.

I’m not saying the ban was undeserved (they did break the rules) but saying that “its fucking sick” that people from the pvp community are upset at this ban is a bit overkill. Anet has a history of consistently making bad design decisions that hurt the health of spvp, and banning 5 people who were exceptionally good at the game just hurts the competitive aspects of an essentially already dead game mode.

A 6 month ban, or a ban from playing in the next season would have got the point across just fine but permanently banning some of the only decent players in their game just hurts their game even more and shows how disconnected Anet actually is from the pvp community.

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kalamari_

it only shows how disconnected you are from the reality. it doesnt matter that they are “pros”. and that it hurts the NA pvp scene ( which wasnt even worth mentioning before the bans). they deserved it. or do you like it when another old rich guy, who is “good at what he does”, gets away with everything he did in the real world? no, I think not.

No, not anet is disconected and no, not anet hurt the game. these guys did. period.

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Kayweg

I can’t know who that player is you quoted.
I just feel like telling him, no, you didn’t die a hero, you lived to see yourself become a twat, in everyone’s eyes but your own.
So grats on that.

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silverlock

So did the cheaters brag about cheating or did the people they paid brag about it?

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Godnaz

Not to cloud the topic. All accused, cheated but the people who paid are the ones bragging.. so far.

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Sally Bowls

Remember to remind Bree to brush her teeth and get to bed early or Santa Claus won’t bring her an expansion tomorrow. GL!

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lordkrall

This part is incorrect:

“and temporarily banned from taking part of tournaments.”

What the thread actually say is:

“We are taking this very seriously. The following 10 players listed below have been given permanent dishonor.”

Which means they are permantently banned from tournaments (and any sort of organized PvP for that matter)

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Bryan Turner

I wonder if Nike and Brazil will make a video comment about this stuff,especially Brazil since ANet had a hissy fit and booted him from the partnership program?

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Godnaz

Brazil was removed for exposing Arenanet’s flawed skill design wasn’t he?

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Bryan Turner

How’s that any different than what I and every other GW2 player has done for years while criticizing class balance?

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Godnaz

Agreed. Was more asking because I wasn’t sure why he was removed.

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Bob Dobalina

He was removed because he claimed ANet was using 3rd party injector (like SweetFX) for their Legendary armor livestream with the purpose of making the armor look better than it really was in game. Basically called them liars.

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Godnaz

Ah thank you, Mr. Dibalina… Mr. Bob Dobalina. It appears he was correct though, ya?

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Bryan Turner

Yes he was.

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Sray

So instead of just banning these guys forever, they choose intentionally exposing them to endless potential harassment while also keeping proven cheaters in the game.

Good call. (Rolls eyes)

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lordkrall

Well.. they are also completely banned from PvP forever.

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Sray

The article say temporarily banned from tournaments.

If you cheated in competitive LoL, DoTA, Counter Strike, etc… you’re gone forever. Any game that wants to be taken seriously as a competitive environment tosses cheaters 100% out on their ass without a second blinking.

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Sray

Regardless, they should still just be flat out permabanned.

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Sally Bowls

I guess for PvP. Although Blizzard’s discussion was that account bans that started or quickly escalated to 6-months bans, that double every catch, were more effective. The cheater can always just roll another toon to cheat/troll with. If they are perma-banned, that is what some % will do, especially in a free-to-play game. That is the only choice for perma-bans. But some of the 6-monthers may wait – reducing the number of cheaters for six months at least. And some of those may be more cautious about cheating in the future.

Permabans may feel better and be more popular, but I can see how giving some hope might work.

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Sray

If we were talking about standard play, the six month thing makes some sense, but this was a tournament. Serious competitive play should come with more stringent punishment for cheating.

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lordkrall

But they literally can’t ever join PvP again? That is basically a lifetime ban of the game-mode in question.

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Sray

Not permanently banning them means that a chance for a repeal exists. Maybe if they’re going boys and girls for the next six or seven months… just maybe…

No. You cheated in a competitive tournament. That means you’re done. You’re gone. Bye bye. As I already stated, in any serious competitive game if you cheated in tournament play, you would be flat out done. A ban from a game mode is a slap on the wrist, and leaves the door open for a reprieve.

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keyst0ne_light

gw2 pvp hasnt been a serious competitive game since HoT launched and shouldn’t be treated as such. they definitely should be unbanned after the next pvp season. permabanning some of the only good players that still play a dead game mode is stupid

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atatahir

These are PvP only players. It is a effectively a permanent ban all their accounts.

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Jeremy Barnes

The post the articles quotes from says perma banned. Massively got it wrong.

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starbuck1771

Hey they gave them the gift that keeps on giving.

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NeoWolf

Im totally down with them naming and shaming them, the only thing as you say they didn’t do, which they should is perma banned them instead of a temporary ban.

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Sray

If we were better able to control our behavior on the Internet I’d say that “schoolyard teasing” is a healthy societal behaviour that reinforces cultural expectations of how one is supposed to act; but that only tends tp work when there is an authority figure who is able tp effectively put on the brakes. However, we live in a world where game critics on the Internet recieve serious death threats for giving a big budget game a 9 out of 10 score. That is way beyond any sort of acceptable level of “schoolyard teasing”.

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NeoWolf

Cheaters and those who otherwise intentionally get a “hard” time verbally because of what they did I have little to no sympathy for (its called Karma). They knew what they were doing they got caught and should just suck it up. If they don’t like it they can always leave the game and my opinion as noted before is that they should have been perma banned to begin with anyway.

Cheating is not a victimless crime afterall, it is other peoples fun and enjoyment they destroy in order to feel like special little butterflies afterall.

So as long as it is only a bit of name calling they have to deal with..not a tear will be shed here I assure you :)

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Sray

We’re in agreement there: a few folks calling you a dickhead -because you are- is kind of well deserved.

My issue is that we see on a daily basis that there is an unfortunately large number of people on the Internet who lack the personal restraint to stop at name calling for a week or two. Does the guy who cheated in a video game deserve death threats; or having their social media hacked; or getting doxxed? No: there’s a big difference between spoiling someone’s fun in a video game and being terrorised into fearing for your own personal safety. And this is why I’m against “naming and shaming”: because we live in a world where doing that sort of thing can legitimately place someone in danger. If it were not so, then I’d be all for holding these types of jerks up for much deserved public ridicule.

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NeoWolf

I don’t think they are likely to face the majority of what you mention, simply because the only thing they named were game accounts, not the actual players personal names. So they can recieve in game and forum abuse but little else unless people actually know who directly owns those accounts, which is unlikely.

If they don’t like the grief they recieve for cheating they are free to close those accounts (and lets face it the mud of what they did is going to stick to those accounts) or get an account name change, which I suspect arenanet may offer them if asked for anyway. Or they can quit the game and go elsewhere, stop playing for a while or make new accounts. Either way they have options.

They aren’t physically in danger from this kind of naming and shaming because it hasn’t been directed at them on a personal level only on a game account level.

A little verbal abuse is the least they owe the people they spoiled the enjoyment of with their cheating. Best thing they can do is take their licks, be apologetic and MEAN IT and ofc not cheat again (although I imagine those particular game accounts will be watched for some time by Arenanet for signs of additional cheating).

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Sray

People get hacked all the time based on account names: if someone was truly out to get either one of us, they’d likely start by tracking down the other places we’ve used the names -or variants thereof- that we use on MOP. By putting the names of these cheaters out there with the sins attached, you’ve painted targets on them.

Is it probable that these guys are in immediate danger? I can’t honestly say “yes” -in fact statistically they’ll probably be fine- but we still live in a world where the possibility that they could be in actual danger is not fiction or an infinitesimally remote possibility: it is a very real possibility that we see happen on a daily basis. The fact that the odds are still somewhat against it doesn’t mean that putting them into that type of potential danger is justified.

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NeoWolf

As I said they have options. I would never condone anything beyond verbal hassle to them for cheating, but at the same time I am not worrying about the cheaters. Where is the concern for those they affected? those in the tournament whose legitemate efforts were destroyed and stolen by their actions? Where is the concern for their well being? As I said cheating is not a victimless crime.

The world doesn’t typically work on what ifs (what if they are doxxed, what if they are physically threatened etc..), it works retroactively if the cheaters have undue problems they can report them to the relevant authorities and they can be handled their are laws to protect EVEN them. Like I say they have options, but my concern is not with them its with their victims.

The cheaters issues are of their own making and were 100% avoidable.

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kgptzac

@Sray
>No: there’s a big difference between spoiling someone’s fun in a video game and being terrorised into fearing for your own personal safety.

By the same logic convicted child rapists should not be sent to prison because they may face being raped or killed.

Anyway I think ANet did the right thing. With games being F2P nowadays it makes little impact to name and shame as a punishment and deterrent. Though GW2 is a b2p game and names on tournament top supposed to mean something, I’d say it’s a good move.